Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?
exactly.....7th century arabia. ^
this practice doesnt take place in this day in age. During Prophet Muhammed's (SAW) time it was the norm. Ask any of your grandparents and greatgrandparents how old they were when they got married. I'm betting they were 14-16 yrs old or maybe even younger. Just take a close look at the trend....with each and every generation the age in which one gets married increases. So obviously it was the norm back then to be married so young.
in this day in age....if parents accept a proposal for their 9 yr old daughter and the girl is ok with it then who are we to judge? even if it does seem a bit odd for 2006.
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Recourse to a supremacist rhetoric? Come now...I can cite one example which seemingly shows a very loving and nurturing relationship can arise from such a union...you must have a better retort than that...
Above is a link of a girl who became a mother at the age of 5 years, so most probably she was impregnated at the age of 4…
If you read the whole article, you will find that the girl and the kid both remained in excellent condition…None became sick or this and that…
It is a famous saying that people who reside in the deserts and mountain regions, their women reach maturity much earlier than people who usually live in regular conditions…Whether it is the harsh conditions or the effect of the weather, who knows, but they do…
I am glad that the questioner actually asks Muslims in particular about this action…Because as we know, the Muslim values and the western values are different…In western values, it is OK for a man to take another man’s penis up his anus as an act of love…
In western values it is OK for a woman to sleep with various men and have children with them out of wedlock and for woman to be used explicitly as pleasure machines for men’s desires in strip bars and whorehouses, but it is very acceptable in western society…
It is liberating for woman to be naked for the viewing pleasure of men to judge her like horses and cattle for the quality of meat…It is called equality…
It is totally unacceptable in western societies to look at young girls but support and enjoy the thriving sex industry in the far east of which the entire clientele is based upon western nations…
It is all about values and culture…Today’s Muslim values and culture lays a heavy emphasis on educating a girl first before getting her married…It’s not just the signs of times but competition and need demands it…If some parents know that their child has reached puberty at the age of nine and they wish to get her married, it is totally acceptable…
In older times, this was a very acceptable practice and in some parts of Muslim countries, it is still practiced…Current western values may make it seem strange, but Muslims think the same way about homosexuality…By Muslims I mean not just those with Muslim names, but those who come from Islamic families and an Islamic identity with Islamic values…Too many posers out there aho claim to be ‘liberal’ by telling you homosexuality is OK…It’s not…It’s an aberration…
Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?
Thanks to Shaikh Yusuf Estes. May Allah:swt: reward him immensly. I have only quoted him for a little part. He actually further explained it and in such manner that can shut anyone’s mouth:alhamd:
Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?
You don't see why not?
You do understand that puberty only means that ones body is going through physical changes? Do you really find it acceptable for a child of 9 years of age to have a sexual relationship just because she might be menstruating??
Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?
don't measure the maturity of the 9yr old of the golden era to your todays 9yr old kid. do u really understand our grandparents were alot more mature and responsible when it comes to their married lives even in their early teens as compared to much more mature (age wise) people of today's era?
not verrryyyy long ago, our grandparents got married at the age of 12-13 and they did carried out their married lives very well..nope???? and now today's 12yrs old is still a considered 'a baby'.. nope?? ...what makes you think that at the times before them people at the age of 9-10 were not physically and mentally capable to handle the married life?
Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?
Because it never gives the 9 year old the opportunity to have a choice. At that age, consent means nothing. A 9 year old has not had the life experiences that allow him/her to hone thier judgement and make informed choices. It is a human rights issue rather than a religious one.
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Such may be the rational. But it does fly in the face of at least one example (which this whole threat is based upon, btw), which seems to call into question even if 'choice' is necessary for a very happy and loving marriage. Go figure...
Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?
Epilogue
The question on this thread was phrased as such:
"Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006".
Wrong implies a moral judgment. Those of us who don't engage in a moral relativism will thus judge any act that is wrong today, was wrong 1400 years ago.
We're not falling for the bait.
Are there good reasons to not practice such an act, or even forbid it by law? Yes. There are a whole slew of reasons, from the necessity of education, to longer life spans, which may well allow us to attenuate our practices. Things are different through time and space. Contrary to what is believed about Islam, what was allowed or practiced, even by the Prophet (pbuh), does not imply that such things are mandated by Islam.
But, by the same token, what we don't have to do is to view past practices apologetically. Such a relationship is not gauranteed to be abusive (the underpinning implication here). The fact is, Ayesha (ra) and the Prophet (pbuh) had an incredibly loving relationship...quite candidly described in the Hadith literature. This should not bug Muslims, but to those who think that such a relationship could never be loving, or anything but harmful...
Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?
only a pedophile or supporter of would write and link as you do to support marriages to little girls. not very manly? oh ya its got to be in the quran, therfore you believe Allah is on your side? remember, book written by troglodyte men!!!
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The instance you point to was but ONE example. The state of the marriage of the prophet is recorded in Hadiths. I can make no judgement on that. It happened a long time ago in a different time and era.
However, to imply that choice is not nessecary in THIS DAY AND AGE... 2006... based on that one example is irresponsible and almost facetious.
The question posted was :Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?
My answer has relevence to the question and todays social mores.
Today, the expectation of a certain standard of human rights is higher than 1400 years ago. Times have changed and with that social mores are different.
I am reposting my previous message to explain the human rights aspect yet again.
Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?
Originally Posted by Anwaar Qureshi but with changes for introspection and reflection:
*Thank You… Atleast, we are talking about Marriage which most of these people who point fingers on Prophet Mohammad:razi2: have forgotten about… *
*They can have kids by “just living together”
They are getting all this information of Aisha being married from where? Bukhari and other hadeeth books, only some are good those which support forcing a child into marriage with an old man so he may relieve himself sexually so will not perform ZINA right..??
Who is narrating them? prophet mohammad:razi2: ?? Right or wrong?
So they think prophet mohammad:razi2: is a reliable source and they believe in his testimoney? hay naa???
Then, he testified There is no God but Allah and Muhammad:saw: is His Apostle… Are they willing to testify that?
If they are not? Why not?
Can they find the word “SEX” in all those ahaadeeth where her age as 9 is mentioned??? I challenge them to find out? can they? because we men want to wait to have sex, because we love virigins and want them to stay virigins. Therefore, how did my wife have a child? Immaculate, I bet.
Do you know there is a state in USA where a **12 **year girl can be married **IF **her parents agree?
Can they find out what was the whole scenario in prophet mohammad’s:razi2: case. Who was offering the marriage proposal? parents? cousins? neighbors? gotta be that jewish guy down the street no doubt!*
9. P.s DO you really think prophet mohammad had sex with her that night?
Islami-fed tabloid-sick parochial-minded people duh
Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?
Firstly, thank you for the GOOD JOB, secondly I am female . reread my posts I am sure I have expressed that on several occassions and I hope you are not missing too much of my salient englitenment I have discoursed. As all men could use a little learning from the opposite sex , xx
