Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

[hareem01]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

@underthedome

That's one view while many others except the hadiths that states she was 9.

For argument sake let's say she was 9 when mohammad married her, does that change your preception of adult/child marriages?

You have interesting semantics in your posting style.

You say: "That's one view while many others" actually what I posted is not one view it is the collaborative work of many scholars. The many others you speak of who accept the hadiths are the Muslims who humbly accept the authentic narration. However, those hadiths are neither spoken by the prophet (SAAS) they are authentic in that their narrations are strong, but their meaning is not strong. Aisha (RA) could not have been the of the age specified in the hadith as other authentic hadith show otherwise.

Then you ask me "for arguments sake" why should I play devil's advocate with you? Why should I accept a false argument and then base conclusions from it? Surely the conclusions will be unsubstantiated.

What tells me about my perception of adult/child marriages is my fitrah and a multitude of hadith. An adult is a person who has reached puberty and who has begun to think like an adult i.e. developed a sense of right and wrong, obligation to worship God, and a physical desire for the opposite sex. Puberty is not the only yardstick we have. If any of these are not present then adulthood has not officially started.

You ask "is it wrong for a man to marry a 9 year old". I answer, it is wrong for you to phrase the question like that. It is misleading on many levels. All 9 year olds are not the same. However, if you said,

"Is it wrong for a man to marry a 9 year old who wants to get married to him and who has reached the age of puberty and who understands the difference between right and wrong and is educated as woman should be in every way."

Then my answer is, "who are we to stop them? It's better getting them married than letting them do sin together"

However, I personally believe that Aisha (RA) could not have been less than 15 years of age when she moved in to the prophet's (SAAS) home.

[hareem01]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

@Mastanah

The short explanation is that no its not reccommended to be married at 9. I strongly believe that we should try and give our children their childhood years without any sexual innuendo. I see young girls in the west who imitate their mothers with short skirts and skimpy clothes etc. and truly thats sickening. Every child deserves an innocent childhood as long as possible, especially girls who go thru a lot of hardships in life. If we find ourselves at a juncture where for fear of religious persecution someone needs to marry their daughters off at such an early age, like the reference to the Prophet Muhammad (May peace and blessings be upon him) and his marriage to a 9 year old, then Allah will judge our actions as their guardians or parents. But without such extreme situations I think its simply ignorance, especially to think that a comman man like you and me would have the decency and wisdom to treat a 9 year old wife like our Prophet did. Most guys in rural areas in Pakistan who get married to young girls dont even think of waiting a single minute before consumating the marriage and thats ignorance at its peak.

I sort of agree ... I think innocence can continue well into marriage also. In fact a Muslims should spend his or her whole life in an innocent way. They should always be shy of nakedness even after marriage. They should never wear sexy clothes and all that sort of stuff.
The biggest hypocrisy is when parents tell their children to go to bed while they watch the TV at night when the dirty programmes are on. What is disallowed for the children should be disallowed for the parents also.

[picoico]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

@Seminole

Because the relationship is not based on love. Or consent. Or companionship. Or respect. All of which is what a lifetime partnership should entail.

Depends on the culture and expectations of both spouses, now doesn't it?

[picoico]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

@underthedome

And there would nothing wrong with that.

If Muhammad was infallible then his actions should transcend culture and time, should they not?

Sure, but the question is that of relevancy.

Point was, we have dogma as a fallback...what's the basis of opposing this relationship (presuming it was a child marriage), which was quite loving?

[Seminole]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

@picoico

Depends on the culture and expectations of both spouses, now doesn't it?

No, not if one of the 'spouses' is a child that is not able to make adult decisions like getting married to a man.

[Crescent]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

It is not Wrong.

Next?

[narayan]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

It is wrong for anyone to marry a nine year old. Its should be crime in every country on every land in every religion.

God will anyway punish such people.

[Light_Bearer]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

@Afridi786

Islam only allows marriage if both people are willing.

In 2006 which child is capable of making this kind of decisions at the age of 9. At that age there is no mental maturity. Normally children do what their parents ask them to do.
This kind of decision are taken by adults on behalf of children, I don't know in this case even nikah is valid or not.

[picoico]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

@Seminole

No, not if one of the 'spouses' is a child that is not able to make adult decisions like getting married to a man.

Yet Ayesha (ra) had no problems at all with her marriage to the Prophet (pbuh)...perhaps marriage is childs play afterall...

[AQ]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

Underthedome: Your question is answered by a scholar of the religion himself for which you raised the query…

The answer starts just before the middle of the video… I will suggest you go through with it… Thank you.

http://www.watchislam.com/videos/video.php?vid=41

[Zapp]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

The Prophet Muhammed married Aisha when she was 6, and consumated the marriage the marriage with her when she was 9.

"Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married her when she was six years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, and she stayed with him for nine years." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 4738)"

[AQ]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

@Zapp

The Prophet Muhammed married Aisha when she was 6, and consumated the marriage the marriage with her when she was 9.

"Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married her when she was six years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, and she stayed with him for nine years." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 4738)"

Sir jee: the word in that hadith is **Tisa'a [9] **not Sita'a [6] ...

[Light_Bearer]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

The topic clearly says in 2006, if it happens in 2006 the older person involved male or female, regardless of gender, muslim or otherwise, will be called pedophile.
This thing is religiously allowed (I don't have to like everything in religion) but socially inacceptable.

[Shoor]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

you rob the girl of her childhood. essentially that's whats wrong.

[parissenoor]

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this is sick so sick, i did not know there were so many pedophiles on gs

[AnGeL_EyEs]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

@Light Bearer

In 2006 which child is capable of making this kind of decisions at the age of 9. At that age there is no mental maturity. Normally children do what their parents ask them to do. This kind of decision are taken by adults on behalf of children, I don't know in this case even nikah is valid or not.

What world are you living in? Take a look around you. In 2006... 9 year old girls are dressing like 16 year olds. Not only do they look older but they are doing drugs and having sex....YES having sex! are they listening to their parents? of course not!

If they are old enough to make the decision about having sex then why arent they able to make a decision about getting married? **I dont agree with it and certainly i wouldnt want that for my children **but if you are old enough to make adult decisions about sex be it right or wrong...then you are old enough to get married.

[Orpheus]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

...to answer the original poster's question.

Too @#*&$% right it is.

[armughal]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

@Light Bearer

This thing is religiously allowed (I don’t have to like everything in religion) but socially inacceptable.

and we r supposed to adhere to religion or to moronic rules set by the west to dictate what is socially acceptable…

these ppl have no problems with adultery and extra-marital affairs and they shamelessly point fingers at a legal marriage…

guess what muslims r supposed to accept Islamic values not what western way of life tells…

[AQ]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

@AnGeL EyEs

What world are you living in? Take a look around you. In 2006… 9 year old girls are dressing like 16 year olds. Not only do they look older but they are doing drugs and having sex…YES having sex! are they listening to their parents? of course not!

If they are old enough to make the decision about having sex then why arent they able to make a decision about getting married? **I dont agree with it and certainly i wouldnt want that for my children **but if you are old enough to make adult decisions about sex be it right or wrong…then you are old enough to get married.

Thank You… Atleast, we are talking about Marriage which most of these people who point fingers on Aisha:razi2: have forgotten about…

They can have kids by “just living together”

1. They are getting all this information of Aisha being married from where? Bukhari and other hadeeth books?? right..??

2. Who is narrating them? Aisha:razi2: ?? Right or wrong?

3. So they think Aisha:razi2: is a reliable source and they believe in her testimoney? hay naa???

4. Then, she testified There is no God but Allah and Muhammad:saw: is His Apostle… Are they willing to testify that?

5. If they are not? Why not?

6. Can they find the word “SEX” in all those ahaadeeth where her age as 9 is mentioned??? I challenge them to find out? can they?

7. Do you know there is a state in USA where a **12 **year girl can be married **IF **her parents agree?

8. Can they find out what was the whole scenario in Aisha’s:razi2: case. Who was offering the marriage proposal? parents?

Media-fed tabloid-sick papparzi-minded people duh

[Seminole]

Re: Is it wrong for a Muslim man to marry a 9 year old in 2006?

Surely marrying a 6 or 9 year old girl is not an Islamic value but a cultural value of 7th century Arabia. Neither is it a western value. It is a* civilized* value of the modern world.