a hadith has a long train of ppl narrating, and yes there can be bogus hadiths, the best source is the quran.
there "can" be Bogus in Hadiths, the BEST SOURCE IS QUR'AN...I understand Qur'an is false, you?
Qur'an is perfect. Any doubt?
They don’t. Thanks.
Do you know that quran was compiled exactly the way Hadith books were complied. Sahaba listened to Prophet reciting an ayaat or surat, and they memorized it ..
later, during the time of Khulfa-e-Rashedeen, a commitee collected those ayaat from Sahaba's and compiled as Quran
So your arguement about doubting the accuracy of hadith holds true for the accuracy of Quran also, so should we stop believing quran also?
She's not going to understand anything......but keep writing...nice reply btw.
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All the hadees related to them being najis or farishtay not entering home are bogus, even if they are from Bukhari , Muslim or any source which is considered authentic.
Many ahadees from Bukhari have been proved bogus. All the hadees in Bukhari are not bogus or other sources of hadees are not bogus. We have to evaluate them based on their content, if a hadess overrides or goes beyond the framework given in Quran it is bogus. Quran has allowed for us to use dogs as hunting animals , whatever they hunt for us is halal to eat.
If I have dogs as hunting animal I live in Siberia , hunting dogs are my only source of survival, I cannot afford to build a separate dog house for my dogs , where would I keep them , I would keep them in my Igloo.
Based on these kinds of logic I can invalidate all the ahadees related to dogs being najis. Why would the farishtay of khair be scared of dogs ? Farishtay have assigned duties according to ahadees , if they are assigned to spread khair and are directed by Allah to go to some one's house they cannot refuse to go just because that house has dogs in it. Why would Allah order farishtay to go to someone's house if they have dogs if Allah is all knowing and will know in advance that this house has dogs and once Allah tells them to go to that house then Farish better dare not refuse that order.
Our people and our Ulema have to grow up and have to get out of the mental blocks they have.
Allah knows the best that is why He has settled this matter in Quran, if someone dares not to accept this ruling in Quran , then it is upto them.
Do you know that quran was compiled exactly the way Hadith books were complied. Sahaba listened to Prophet reciting an ayaat or surat, and they memorized it ..
later, during the time of Khulfa-e-Rashedeen, a commitee collected those ayaat from Sahaba's and compiled as Quran
So your arguement about doubting the accuracy of hadith holds true for the accuracy of Quran also, so should we stop believing quran also?
For Quran prophet of Allah used to call the katabeen of Quran and used to dictate them the verses of Quran.
It is not true for Ahadees , katabeen of ahadees did that on their own. Do you think the katabeen of ahadees were always sitting in the house of prophet and were noting down all that was going on in his house, but you will see very intimate details of his relationships with his wives are narrated in Quran with very graphic details.
Would you think Muslims will ask those kind of personal questions to Mothere of Momaneen and Hazrat Aisha will dicatate them in such details. I don't think so.
The other day, I was discussing the same matter with someone. He asked me why dogs are considered napaak and I said I'm not cent percent sure but it could be because that they seem to relieve themselves whereever they feel like and then wander around. He answered that it's not true for dogs only but for all the animals then why ALL the animals aren't considered napaak? and I could not think of any reasonable and logical answer of that question:(
For Quran prophet of Allah used to call the katabeen of Quran and used to dictate them the verses of Quran. It is not true for Ahadees , katabeen of ahadees did that on their own. Do you think the katabeen of ahadees were always sitting in the house of prophet and were noting down all that was going on in his house, but you will see very intimate details of his relationships with his wives are narrated in Quran with very graphic details. Would you think Muslims will ask those kind of personal questions to Mothere of Momaneen and Hazrat Aisha will dicatate them in such details. I don't think so.
I am not sure if your comments are counter arguement or just an agreement to what I said ..
I guess its later
All the hadees related to them being najis or farishtay not entering home are bogus, even if they are from Bukhari , Muslim or any source which is considered authentic. .
Speechless .. dont know what to say
Yeah I believe you Mufti Mirch 
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The ahadeeth about najis and farishtaY not entering are related to historical incident(s) … Once Prophet:saw2: did not have Jibreal (AS) visiting him for a longer time… The revealation stopped for a while (There are couple of other incidents as well like in one, Prophet:saw2: did not say Insha Allah while answering jews that he will tell them the answers to the questions asked) …
One of that incident was about a dog in his place… It is categorically established in Fiqh (all school of thougts) that Dog is Najis.. it’s saliva is Najis.. there are NO two opinions among muslims.
Except Maliki school I think.
Except Maliki school I think.
Are you sure.. I remember reading on all school of thoughts on this subject.. I might have missed something.. you have any reference?
I know for sure that in maliki school dog meat is makruh…and about sliva part I read it on islamonline, here is the link:
A Dog Touched My Clothes: How to Cleanse Them - IslamonLine.net - Ask The Scholar
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One more thing ..
the example of living in siberia with dogs ..
Survival is the basic need of human bieng and Islam recognizes that. If a person is dying from hunger and nothing is available than haram becomes halal for that person.
So if keeping dogs inside your house is the only mean of surviving in Siberia then its allowed for the muslims of Siberia. ruling for other muslims would not change because of that
some people will never ever learn:hinna: if someone has a different opinion hes acting mufti.wat about all the fatwas they themself gave?
an acceptance to submission is not a fatwa. If someone is saying that we accept the hadith quoted in Bukhari as true .. that is not fatwa ..
claiming them to be bogus, requires people to bring proof.
Bukhari/Muslim are agreed upon books by 90% of muslims (of so many diff. sects). If you think that 90% are wrong you better stand up to your claim.
You belive every Hadees of Bukhari then explain this to me:
Every mature mind has created an Image of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) in their mind. This image relies on Quran and our logic, our understanding of religion. Everyone has an image of the Prophet (SAW) in his mind, some have reasons to have it while some create it just for the sake of it. For example, i Believe that Prophet (SAW) was the noble messenger of Allah. He was merciful, noble and just. He was sin-free, error-free and infallible. He was brave and had an exalted character. Every action done by him (SAW) was in accordance to the commands and guidance of Allah. Read Muhammad (SAW) Of The Quran to know more about what i believe and why do i do so.
For example, i Believe that Prophet (SAW) was the noble messenger of Allah. He was merciful, noble and just. He was sin-free, error-free and infallible. He was brave and had an exalted character. Every action done by him (SAW) was in accordance to the commands and guidance of Allah. Read Muhammad (SAW) Of The Quran to know more about what i believe and why do i do so.
“Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: While Allah’s Apostle was carrying stones (along) with the people of Mecca for (the building of) the Ka’ba wearing an Izar (waist-sheet cover), his uncle Al-'Abbas said to him, “O my nephew! (It would be better) if you take off your Izar and put it over your shoulders underneath the stones.” So he took off his Izar and put it over his shoulders, but he fell unconscious and since then he had never been seen naked.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Hadith 360”
USC-MSA Compendium of Muslim Texts
Astaghfurullah astaghfurullah astaghfurullah.
an acceptance to submission is not a fatwa. If someone is saying that we accept the hadith quoted in Bukhari as true .. that is not fatwa ..
claiming them to be bogus, requires people to bring proof.
Bukhari/Muslim are agreed upon books by 90% of muslims (of so many diff. sects). If you think that 90% are wrong you better stand up to your claim.
oh u know wat relax i was nt talking about people believing in hadeeth or not i was taking about people who just cant bear difference of opinion they go all jezbati n stop being civil, n oh i never claimed anything try reading clearly
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Mirch, what that hadith has to do with anything that you just said .. The happening sounds like before he became Prophet.
and nevertless, that hadith is not creating any shariat law here ...
and even if its not true .. how did that make every hadith of bukhari, a fabricated one
oh u know wat relax i was nt talking about people believing in hadeeth or not i was taking about people who just cant bear difference of opinion they go all jezbati n stop being civil, n oh i never claimed anything try reading clearly
You know, 2 can play this sarcasm game ....
I am not trying to be civil, you are acting like Miss know it all and what should be said or not on forums and how people should behave
maybe you should learn how to follow your own advice