Is It Right !!!

FRNDS THERE HAS BEEN SOME QUESTIONS IN MY MIND REAGRDING GOING TO PLACES OF THE SAINTS.

  SOME OF OUR MUSLIM BROS AND SISS GO TO PLACES WHERE OUR SUFI SAINTS R BURRIED AND THEY PRAY THERE FOR THE DAED AND ASK THOSE DEAD TO PRAY FOR THEM, AS THEY BELEIVE THAT THOSE SAINTS R NEAR TO ALLAH . HENCE THERE PRAYERS CAN BE HEARED WITH MORE AUTHORITY.
     IS IT RIGHT TO GO TO THESE PLACES AND PRAY FOR THE DEAD. AS I HAVE HEARED ALOT OF PPL SAYING ITS KUFR OR SHIRK ?

I HOPE U MAY PUT LITES ON THIS QUESTION …

Hey! calm down first....and don't yell...

back to your question, No it's not right...Allah listens to those who ask Him directly!

Well if those people are dead, i dont think they can pray for themselves, let alone a living person.
It's shirk praying to anyone, but God.

there is nothing wrong with it i think because its a blessing going to great peoples shrines/tombs who have done so much in their life and the blessing they can give does help in the prayers, i think.

How easy it is to call everything a person doesn't know SHIRK. The youngest sect in Islam (150 years old) has made every kid a scholar who can call anything shirk without knowing a pint of it.

*It is known that some Juhala pray to the saint, where they should make him a waseela as Allah says in Quran, it tells us the right path and the balance in life. *

Allah SWT says.
" Those chosen bondman whom these infidels worship, they themselves excess towards that who is nearer to him in than they hope for his mercy and fear his torment " Bani Isreal verse 57

This verse teaches that to make waseela is the act of the pious servants of Allah.

The Holy Prophet himself taught his companion to make Dua by his own waseela. Imam tirmizi narrats that:

A blind man said to the Prophet pray that Allah may grant me goodness The Prophet (peace be upon him) said if you want, I can pray for you, or you can be patient and this is better for you. He said master (peace be upon him pray for me. The Prophet (peace be upon him) ordered him to perform wudu well and recite this Dua after offering two rakats of salaah.

"O Allah I ask from you and make a mediator and draw my concentration towards you via your prophet ( peace be upon him) who is the merciful Prophet (peace be upon him ). O Rasoolallah (Peace be upon Him), I turn to my lord ( the most high) regarding this need via you so that my need be fulfilled. Lord (the most high accept His (peace be upon him) intercession for me.

Hazarat Sayyidona uthman bin Hanif says " I swear by God we people had not even got up, but were still talking that they very blind person reached us. His eyesight had become so clear as if he was never blind. (Tirmizi)

Imam Ibn Maja (Radi Allahju Anhu) narrates that Hazarate Abu Saeed khudri (Radi Allahu Anhu) says that the messenger of Allah almighty (peace be upon him) said:

"The person who came out of his house to pray salah and he recited this " O Allah (almighty) I ask you with the mediation of the right (Haqq) you have on questioners ( Saaileen ) and the right of me going to offer this Salah, because I have come out without pride (akar) and behaving boastfully and without showing and saying but simply for the fear of your displeasure and is search of your pleasure. I ask from you , your protection from hell and forgive my sins. And undoubtedly no one will forgive sins except you. The person who recites this, Allah (almighty) will turn to him and seventy thousand angels will ask for his repentance. ( sunan-e-ibn-e-maja page 56, published by Maktaba Islami Beirut )

These two ahadith are proof of using someone as a mediator in prayers.

Imam Ahmad bin Hambal (Radi Allahu Anhu) narrates that the prophet ( peace be upon him ) that Abdals are in Syria and they are 40 in number When one dies Allah Tala appoints another in place of it. It is because of them the rain is poured and because of them help is received over enemies and it is because of them the torment is turned away from the people of Syria. Al-Aman-wal-wa ( Shabber brothers lahore ) page 23

This hadith shareef clearly tells that the mercy and reward of Allah reach mankind with the mediation of his pious people..

GOING TO GRAVE:

There are many Ahadith which prove that to go to the graves is sunnah. A few narrations are written from Hazrat Buraidah (Radi Allahu anhu) the Prophet 9Allah's Grace & Peace be upon Him) said:

"I forbade you to go to graves and now ( I allows you ) go to visit the graves. "

Hazrat Abu Hurairah (Radi Allahu Anhu) said that the Prophet (Allah's Grace & Peace be upon Him) visited that grave of his mother and then wept…".

Hazarat Buraidah (Radi Allahu Anhu) says that the Holy Prophet (Allah's Grace & Peace be upon Him) used to teach them when they went to graves that " Assalam-o-Alaikum Ya Ahlad diare minal mumineen muslimmen wa inna insha Allah bikum lalahikon nasalullah lana wa lakumul aafiata " Mishkat Shareef ( qadeemi kutub khana page 154)

Quran 35:13-14
He maketh the night to pass into the day and He maketh the day to pass into the night. He hath subdued the sun and moon to service. Each runneth unto an appointed term. Such is Allah, your lord; His is the Sovereignty; **and those unto whom ye pray instead of Him own not so much as the white spot on a date stone.
If ye pray unto them they hear not your prayer, and if they heard they could not grant it you. On the Day of Resurrection they will disown association with you.
* None can inform you like Him Who is Aware.*

Quran 7:194
*Verily those whom ye call upon besides Allah are servants (translated from ibaad) like you: call upon them and let them listen to your prayer if ye are (indeed) truthful! *

and many more verses just to prove that Allah alone is the one who you shud ask....
those in the shrines and graves cant help u....
not at all....

Smooth_guy.... asking a person who is alive to pray for you 'to Allah', is different than going to the 'dead' and praying 'to them'.

lol@praying to dead.

Brother, I am saying only Jaahil people pray to the dead saint. The people who know waseela's concept in Islam, only use waseela and yet pray to only the Almighty Allah SWT. There is no one else in the universe who can benifiet a person except Allah SWT.

and i forgot to add....

Quran 39:43-44
*Or choose they intercessors other than Allah? Say: Even though they (those who they choose as intercessors) have power over nothing and have no intelligence?
Say: "To Allah belongs exclusively all Intercession: to Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: in the End it is to Him that ye shall be brought back." *

P.S. intercession means "a prayer to God on behalf of another person"

Jazzakallah Armughal! That proves what exactly I wrote above. All praises and prayers to Allah and Allah only. Allah is the only source of power and he is Qadir on everything. And Prophet :saw: and his companions :razi: praised and prayed to Allah only, and we see examples how some people come to Prophet :saw: and he offered them that he can pray for them. So waseela is proven there. It is not that Prophet :saw: naudobillah asked them to pray to him. But the path is clear that ‘I will pray to Allah for you’. This is no shirk, according to the hadith that’s quoted. On the similar account, if we pray to Allah using Prophet’ :saw: name or if we are visiting any shrine and pray to Allah using that saint’s waseela…this is no shirk. Because your asking to Allah SWT, not that saint. That saint cannot fullfill our wishes, only Allah can do it, but since that saint is Allah’s wali or loved one, the prayers could get more importance. Check the Quranic reference in above post for waseela.

Quran 2:186
When my servants ask thee concerning Me I am indeed close (to them); I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me;....

or was the verse "I listen to every suppliant when he calleth on Me thru the waseelah of a wali"????

So is waseela bad in a prayer?

or was the verse "I listen to every suppliant when he calleth on Me thru the waseelah of a wali"????

Waseela is an option that Allah has taught in Quran. Do not mix two different Ayaah. Allah uses Salaah with Zakaah, and sometimes Salah, zakaah and rukoo together and lots of other combination. So this is not necessary to have dua and waseela always together in all the ayaah. And waseela is NOT asking to the person who's name is in use. But asking Allah only, using that person's name. And this is in Quran, not from me or anyone else.

who brought the Quran to us from Allah? Allah obviously made Prophet Mohummad (pbuh) the waseela to bring the Quran to us..why is it so hard for people to understand the concept of waseela

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*Originally posted by armughal: *
and i forgot to add....

Quran 39:43-44
*Or choose they intercessors other than Allah? Say: Even though they (those who they choose as intercessors) have power over nothing and have no intelligence?
Say: "To Allah belongs exclusively all Intercession: to Him belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: in the End it is to Him that ye shall be brought back." *

P.S. intercession means "a prayer to God on behalf of another person"
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well u read that ayat did u reAD the one that says only the intercession of those that Allah accepts is allowed?

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*Originally posted by Sheraz CT: *
who brought the Quran to us from Allah? Allah obviously made Prophet Mohummad (pbuh) the waseela to bring the Quran to us..why is it so hard for people to understand the concept of waseela
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exactly and its gona be wasilah that allah will take us all with in qiamat.....

and i dont talk out of the blue soo ill be getting PROOFS to u tomorow

:salam:

Do note that the emphases in the original question is whether going to saint’s tombs/graves and asking the saints to pray for them is allowed. This is explicity prohibited, and we are asked to level graves and not set them as worship sites.

Since thats all the poster wanted to know, whats the need to overburden him with other debates? Anyhow, this topic has been discussed at length in the past.

An extensive read is available here and another one is here.

The Prophet :saw: came to establish monotheism, and praying to graves and praying to the dead kills the entire purpose.

Re: Is It Right !!!

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*Originally posted by arshadalii23: *
FRNDS THERE HAS BEEN SOME QUESTIONS IN MY MIND REAGRDING GOING TO PLACES OF THE SAINTS.

  SOME OF OUR MUSLIM BROS AND SISS GO TO PLACES WHERE OUR SUFI SAINTS R BURRIED AND THEY PRAY THERE FOR THE DAED AND ASK THOSE DEAD TO PRAY FOR THEM, AS THEY BELEIVE THAT THOSE SAINTS R NEAR TO ALLAH . HENCE THERE PRAYERS CAN BE HEARED WITH MORE AUTHORITY.
     IS IT RIGHT TO GO TO THESE PLACES AND PRAY FOR THE DEAD. AS I HAVE HEARED ALOT OF PPL SAYING ITS KUFR OR SHIRK ?

I HOPE U MAY PUT LITES ON THIS QUESTION ........
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assalamuallykum:

As we see the Shari’ah focuses on Tawheed. Any opening for seeking help through any medium will lead into shirks. We mean by that when people pray to Allah, saying, "By the dignity of x or y," but not asking those people if they are alive to make du'a for them. All those supplications through dead or graves are of the haram innovations. Allah says in sura 2, verse 186, "When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way." Also, there is a verse in the Qur'an that relates to this in surah 5, verse 35, "O ye who believe! Do your duty to Allah, seek the means of approach unto Him, and strive with might and main in his cause: that ye may prosper."

Ibn Taymiyyah (RA) wrote a book entitled "Qa'idah Jaleelah Fit-Tawassuli wal Waseelah". To brief what he states referring to evidences from Qur'an and Sunnah, he explains that when you seek Allah's help, you need no medium of any person. If you believe that there is a pious person, you can ask that person to supplicate for you. The companions of the Prophet (SAAWS) were taught not to make a du'a using the Prophet's name in their du'a at all. On the contrary, the Prophet (SAAWS) taught ibn Abbas, saying to him, "When you ask for a need, the only one you ask is Allah." After the Prophet's (SAAWS) death, 'Umar ibn al-Khattab was leading people for an istisqah salat. He didn't ask Allah through his deceased Prophet (SAAWS). 'Omar said, "Oh Allah! We used to pray for istisqah during the Prophet's life by making him lead the prayer and supplication, but now we ask you through the supplication of Al-Abbas." Al-Abbas was then very old and pious in the eyes of 'Omar.

It seems useful to sum up the following points from the book “Dustoor Al-Wahdah Ath-Thaqafiyyah” (The Constitution of Cultural Unity) with regard to this issue of Intermediary between a Person and Allah (Tawassul) :

First: The Tawassul, or the act of intermediating between a person and Allah, the Most High, through His Entity (Dhaat) and Most Beautiful Names made in such way is mentioned in the following Hadiths:

  1. The Hadith: “O Allah! I implore You by virtue of Your being Allah, the One, Who has no partner, the Eternal, Absolute, Who begetteth not, nor is He begotten, and like unto Whom there is none.”

  2. The Prophetic supplication for memorizing the Qur’an, “O Allah! I beseech You by virtue of Your Glory and by the Light of Your Face to let me keep Your Book by heart as You have taught me.”

  3. The supplication, “O Allah! I seek refuge with Your pleasure from Your wrath and with Your pardon from Your punishment.”

Undoubtedly, there is no harm in such forms of Tawassul.

Second: The Tawassul of a person to Allah, the Most High through showing obedience to Him as well as through his own good deeds which are done only for His sake. This meaning is involved in the verse that reads, “O ye who believe! Do your duty to Allah, seek the means of approach unto Him, and strive (with might and main) in His cause: that ye may prosper.” (Al-Ma’idah: 35)
There is also a long Hadith speaking about three men who were trapped in a cave by a great stone, and nothing saved them but their supplications to Allah, each using a means through his best deed. This comes in accordance with the Hadith,
“Get to know Allah in prosperity and He will know you in adversity.”

Third: Tawassul through the righteous people’s supplications and the supplications of Muslims, one for the other, has been established since the time of Prophet Nuh, peace and blessings be upon him, who supplicated to Allah saying, “O Lord! Forgive me, my parents, all who enter my house in Faith, and (all) believing men and believing women: and to the wrong–doers grant Thou no increase but in Perdition!” (Nuh: 28)

Such supplication is recommended and rewarded by Allah, whether it is said in the presence of the one on whose behalf it is made or in his absence. The angels and the bearers of the Throne continuously supplicate, “Our Lord! Thou embraced all things in Mercy and Knowledge, forgive, then, those who turn in repentance, and follow Thy Path; and preserve them from the Chastisement of the Blazing Fire!” (Ghafir: 7)

Late Muslims supplicate for the sake of the early Muslims as a token of the unity of believers in their being all servants of Allah regardless of difference in time and place: “And those who came after them say, ‘Our Lord! Forgive us, and our brethren who came before us into the Faith, and leave not, in our hearts, rancour (or sense of injury) against those who have believed.” (Al-Hashr: 10)

The Muslim Ummah supplicates for the sake of the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, after Prayer and Adhan out of their love and reverence to him.

The Companions (may Allah be pleased with them) used to ask the Messenger of Allah to supplicate to Allah to bring them rain. After the death of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, they asked Al-`Abbas, the Prophet’s uncle, to supplicate to Allah to give them rain due to his relation to the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him.

In Islam, there is nothing wrong in asking your righteous Muslim brother to supplicate to Allah on your behalf.

Fourth: Tawassul through the person of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and Allah’s love to him. Concerning the ruling of this form of Tawassul, I have found two opinions:

i) There is nothing related in this concern and the supplications mentioned in the Glorious Qur’an and the Sunnah involve direct invocation to Allah. Therefore, it is more proper that we follow this direct style.

ii) Supplication to Allah through the person of Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, was related in the narration which states that a blind man sought intercession of the Prophet with his Lord on his behalf in a supplication that he had learned from the Prophet, or from others, and when he said that supplication his sight was restored. Those who state that opinion add that this form of Tawassul was reported in more than ten ways (of transmission), and this is a testimony on its behalf, although it was not narrated in the two Sahihs of Al-Bukhari and Muslim.

However, the two parties disputed to the extent that they were about to fall into a prolonged rupture of relations. Both parties committed faults. For example, one of them accused the other of polytheism, and the latter described the former as hating the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him. This resulted in more division among them. The issue became worse when the second sect drew analogy between the person of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and others whom they thought to be righteous and Awliyaa’ (saints). They, moreover, neglected the authenticated supplications and indulged in formulas of supplications about which there is more than one opinion.

These people committed a mistake when they drew analogy between the person of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and others. Analogy should not be applied to acts of worship. They should have mainly used what is proven as authentic in the Qur’an and the Sunnah.

As for those who depict Muslims with polytheism, they should refrain from this and stop judging people depending only on mere ill thinking.

Fifth: Tawassul through asking those who are close to Allah, as to ask a dead prophet or a Wali at his grave to fulfill one’s request. This form of Tawassul is unanimously rejected in Islam, for it is a form of polytheism. What prevents those who commit this heinous act from asking Allah, Who is nearer to them than their jugular veins, and Who is the only One Who can fulfill all their requests?

May Allah guide us all!
fe aman Allah
your brother in Islam

Sorry Ammarr...i would have to disagree with you. Using waseela (reference) as per Quran's teaching has no conflict with monothesiam. Do not mix waseela with any propagenda going on these days.

The Quranic references have been provided above.

I think its stupid. Why not go straight to the authority and deliver all prayers directly? Personally Im not so into trusting the messenger, especcially if they have been dead for a while.