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Ibn Taymiyya about Tawassul and Shafa’a

Ibn Taymiyya said in his book “al-qaida al-jaleela fit- tawwasali wal-waseela”, with commentary of Rabi’a bin Hadi 'Umayr al-Mudkhali, professor in the Islamic University of Madinah al-Munawwara, page 6, paragraph 9:

"Muslims agreed that the Prophet (saws) is the greatest of creation the highest in rank and superiority and the most glorified and honored in the presence of Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala and no other creation is better to Allah than the Prophet (saws) and no other shafa’a is greater than his shafa’a. 'aazamu al-khalqi jaahan 'ind-Allahi laa jaahun li- makhluqin 'inda-Allahi 'aazamu min jaahihi wa laa shafa’atun 'aazamu min shafa’atih]

He mentioned in the same book, page 4, para. 4:

“the Prophet (saws) is the intercessor of all creation [shafi’a al-khala’iq] and the owner of the Maqaam al-Mahmoud, that was the aspiration those who came before and those who came after, and he is the greatest of intercessors [shufa’a] and the highest in glory and superiority in Allah’s Presence.”

Ibn Taymiyya says in the same book on page 3, para. 2:

"Allah has sent his Prophet (saws) to Jinn and mankind and everyone has to follow him and believe in him and to follow him INWARDLY [BATIN] and OUTWARDLY [DHAHIR] and to believe in the Prohet (saws and to follow him is the only for Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala and the only way for the religion of Allah and it is the worship of Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala and it is the obedience of Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala, and all these are the way of the Friends of Allah [awliya-Allah], and all this is the the means [waseela] that Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala has ordered His servants to follow when He said in the Holy Qur’an, [35,5] “yaa ayyuhalladheena aamanu ittaqullaha wabtaghaw ilayhi al-waseela " – “O ye who believe! Fear Allah and seek the means of approach unto Him.” And the means to seek Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala is that one who will ask Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala by the intercession and the means of faith in His Prophet (saws) in and following him.”

Ibn Taymiyya states on page 12, para. 18:

“It is agreed between the Sahaba, and the Tabi’een and the Four Imams Maliki, Shafi’i, Hanafi and Hanbali, that the Prophet (saws) will intercede for the sinners of his Ummah.”

And Ibn Taymiyya continues on the same page 12, para 20:

“And the Sahaba and the Tabi’een and the Four Imams of Islam all of them confirmed the authentic hadith of the Prophet (saws) that Allah will take out from Hell people after He will punish them for whatever length of time he likes with the shafa’a of the Prophet (saws). And ALLAH WILL TAKE OUT OF HELL SOME OTHERS BY THE SHAFA’A OF OTHER THAN THE PROPHET (SAWS)!!!..]”

And on page 17, para 28:

“wa lafdhu at-tawassul qad yuradu bihi thalaathata umoor”] The word intermediation [tawassul] refers to three different meanings. Two of them are agreed upon among the Muslims.

and on para 29:

“the first of the two is the root of faith and Islam [hua asal al-eemaan wal-islam wa hua at-tawassul bil eemaani bihi] and it is the intercession with the Prophet (saws) by means of the belief in him and to obey him (saws). Second is by means of his supplication [du’a] and by means of his intercession [shafa’a], …and whoever denied this he is a kaafir and a renegade [murtad]. He must repent, and if he does not he will be killed. And no single scholar can deny the intermediation [at-tawassul] of his supplication and his intercession [shafa’a].”

and Ibn Taymiyya on page 17, para 30 says:

“His prayer and his intercession and this is also of benefit …and whoever DENIES TAWASSUL IN ONE OF THESE TWO MEANINGS IS A KAAFIR AND A MURTAD WHICH MEANS HE MUST REPENT OR HE MUST BE KILLED AS A MURTAD.”

and he says on para 32, of the same page,

“whoever denies the intermediation by means of his supplication [du’a] and his intercession [shafa’a] and whoever denies that Muslims will derive benefit from that is a non-believer [kaafir]. And whoever denies out of ignorance must be educated. If he will persist in his denial and is stubborn, he will be considered a renegade [murtad].”

Imam Ahmad said in his Musnad, Volume 2, page 75:

“Abdullah bin 'Umar said that the Prophet (saws) said, 'I have been asked to choose between the Intercession [as-shafa’a] or to enter half my Nation into Paradise, but I chose the shafa’a because it is more inclusive and more perfect. Do you think it is for the pious? No! It is for the filthy and sinful people.”

And Ibn Majah said, in Volume, page 1444:

“Ibn Jaabir said he heard Salim bin 'Aamir that he heard 'Auf bin Maalik saying that the Prophet (saws) said, ‘do you know what Allah subhanahu wa ta’ala has given me a choice in this night?’ We said, ‘Allah and His Prophet (saws) know better.’ He said, ‘He gave me a choice between two matters: either to send half my Nation to Paradise or to have the Shafa’a. And I chose the Shafa’a.’ And we said, ‘O Prophet, ask Allah to make us from those who deserve the shafa’a.’ And the Prophet (saws) said, ‘It is for every Muslim.’” [Muslim said it is authentic]

Allaama Ibn Qayyim in his book al-Jami` al-Fareed, page 493, comments on the following hadith of Ibn 'Abbas (r):
“in the time before the Prophet (saws) the Jews of Khaybar were fighting with the Ghatfaan tribe. When the battle ended the Jews were defeated. They prayed to Allah asking Him, 'for the sake of Muhammad (bi haqqi Muhammad), the Prophet whom you are sending in the last days, make us defeat this tribe.” When they met again with Ghatfaan they defeated them. Allah mentioned that event in the Qur’an when He said: “From of old they had prayed for victory against the unbelievers” (Baqara, 89), which means they [the Jews] were asking for your sake, O Muhammad, to defeat the unbelievers."

Peace and Blessings upon the Prophet, his Family, and his Companions

I think its just plain wrong...

makes you feel like pagan, sadly lots of Muslims back home in Pakistan and India do it...

May Allah guide them.

smooth guy

:salam:

Let me clarify first, which kind of intercession do you think is allowed? Praying through the dead?? or the prohpet interceding for us on the day of judgement?

Your last post shows that the Prophet will provide intercession, it does not say anywhere that we should use the Prophet as the waseela NOW. It is a fundamental principle for us to belive and hope in the intercession of the Prophet :saw: on the day of judgement, however praying to the Prophet right now is incorrect, as stated by all four madhabs and all major scholars of the ummah. Also note that you have quoted Ibn Taymiyyah, the link to the book online is here: On Intermediation And Intercession (link to pdf file for this treaty)

Also, as the brother greatpakistani above has shown quite explicitly that the companions of the Prophet sallalahu aleyhe wasallam did not ask the Prophet after he had passed away, rather they asked Ibn Abbas.

I am not blaming you, but many of the so called mullahs have taken some ahadith from here and some from there and a little bit of the quran and twisted it to their own liking to say that intercession through the dead is allowed. What you have to realize is that quran and hadith must be evaluated by the true scholar in the right context.

And, this is my last post on this subject. Read the other two posts I gave a link to if you still have any confusions. Other than that sufficient proof exists in this very thread to end this issue, its upto you and others to accept or reject it.

Refer to what Imaam abu hanifa said:

(1) The Prophet (saw) said, “Whoever swears by other than Allaah, then he has indeed disbelieved and committed Shirk.” Related by Aboo Daawood (3/570), at Tirmidhee (3/253), who said: “A Hasan Hadeeth.” It was authenticated by Imaam ash-Shawkaanee in NayluLAwtaar (8/257) and by al-Albaanee in Irwaa’ul-Ghaleel (no. 2561). And he (saw) said about the statement: ‘What Allaah wills and what you will.’ “Do you make me one to be called upon along with Allaah? Say: What Allaah alone wills.” Related by al-Bukhaaree in al-Adabul-Mufrad (no. 783), and by Ahmad (1/214), and an-Nisaa’ee in al,'Amalul-Yawm wal-laylah (no. 995), and Ibn Maajah (no. 2117). It was authenticated by al-Arna’oot in Takhreejul-Musnad Abee Bakr (p. 55), and by al-Albaanee in as-Saheehah (no. 139).

(2) ad-Durrul-Mukhtaar ma’a Haashiyah Raddul-Muhtaar (6/396-397).

(3) Sharhul-'Aqeedatut-Tahaawiyyah (p.234) and Ithaafus-Saadaatul Mustaqeem (2/285) and Sharhul Fiqhil-Akbar (p. 198) of
al-Qaaree.

(4) al-Fiqhu-Absat (p. 56)

I would reply to your plea, but I'm afraid Im beyond help. Its true. Officially I'm lifeless, and all because I voiced my opinion. What to do, what to do? And here was I thinking it was a free world. Well we all live and learn.
But if you wish you can clarify your point, as I feel like a victim right now. Its a sad sad thing.

THANX GUYS FOR ALL UR REPLIES.
I APPRECIATE UR CONCERN.
KEEP RPLYING THE WAY U PPL R DOING AND I'LL TELL U WAT I BELEIVE AFTER SOME TIME........
AGAIN THANX !!!

**arshadalii23 dear LOOK...

Just to be simple... SHARIAT, TAREEQAT, MAARIFAT,HAQEEQAT These have all diff rules ( Or may be seemz to be Diff)

Now.. there is a Hierarchy... including... Nuqba, Nujaba, Quatab, Ghouas, Chehil, Abdal, Wali, Qalandar, Imam

I would not comment on Ur question... BUT.. I would say.. that.. All the ppl who had the coments know abt wat I have mentioned above...?

To Understand Quran .. Is not just to read it and translate it in Ur language.

Hazrat Ibn-e-Abbas " If ppl ask me to fnd my Lost camel in the desert, I will find it from QURAN"

The Depth of Quran is Measureless.. Its a Divine Book, The Book Of ALLAH...

Its Better to Consult.. the Ullama regardless of the Sect.. regarding the topic U posted. Also consult the ppl who belive in PEER, Mureed System.. And and then... Think.. and.. Struggle for the Result.. and.. then.. Belive..

I am sure.. ALLAH WILL BLESS U WITH WISDOM

When ever U have some doubt in mind.. DOnt just belive wat one or two or three Ullama or PPl say... With Open Mind COnsult all the Sects and Clear Ur Mind ...

MAY ALLAH BLESS US ALL**

salam
ok so i think that your question kinda leads to wasilah...but some of us have not found the right ppl as our wasilah
and here are some ayats from the quran and they say wasilah is ok to use but for those which Allah gives permision to
so here goes:
19:87]
Those who have taken a covenant from Allah shall have the power of intercession.
34:23] No intercession availeth with Him save for him whom He permitteth. Yet, when fear is banished from their hearts, they say: What was it that your Lord said? They say: The Truth. And He is the Sublime, the Great.
10:3] Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then He established Himself upon the Throne, directing all things. There is no intercessor (with Him) save after His permission. That is Allah, your Lord, so worship Him. Oh, will ye not remind?

20:109] On that day no intercession availeth save (that of) him unto whom the Beneficent hath given leave and whose word He accepteth.
and praying is only and only and only to the almighty Allah..and no one else...but u can as with a wasilah....and the best wasilah can be only be the prophet and his family...........and yes you better contact some ullamas ....and ask Allah...he will help you
massalam

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*Originally posted by smooth_guy: *
Sorry Ammarr...i would have to disagree with you. Using waseela (reference) as per Quran's teaching has no conflict with monothesiam. Do not mix waseela with any propagenda going on these days.

The Quranic references have been provided above.
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Interesting!
This chap - SMOOTH_GUY engaged in atacking almost all others - REJECTING their interpretation but is defending his own unique interpretation of Quran of praying thru wasilla!

What a spectacle!

one qustion here: all peapul muslim saying praying strait direct to alla only ...then why alla not anser directly? why only from propfet etc? why alla not telling do this do that direct? why mullah come and tell alla saying this that?

becase if you saying only direct praying alla aloved then profet and quran also mulla etc no aloved, na?

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*Originally posted by TomSawyer: *
one qustion here: all peapul muslim saying praying strait direct to alla only ...then why alla not anser directly? why only from propfet etc? why alla not telling do this do that direct? why mullah come and tell alla saying this that?

becase if you saying only direct praying alla aloved then profet and quran also mulla etc no aloved, na?
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Actually, angel Gibrael was the middleman (middle-angel :-)) between God and Prophet!