Dear readers,
Is it right to say that jews and christians are mushriks? If yes why? If they are something else? then what are they in your opinion? wassalam
Hamare forum ka sub MATOO kahan gaey?
Wassalam
There may be a case about christians, cz of the concept of Trinity... but jews? Why are they considered mushrik? Something to do with their beliefs about Hazrat Uzair (Peace be upon him)?
What about their beliefs on Hazrat Uzair?
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What about their beliefs on Hazrat Uzair?
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“ ** And the Jews say: ‘Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allaah,** and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allaah. That is their saying with their mouths, resembling the saying of those who disbelieved aforetime. Allaah’s Curse be on them , how they are deluded away from the truth!” [al-Tawbah 9:30]
^ There you go.
Actually, this whole part of Sura-e-Tawba (Repentence) is extremely important. Its quite jalali, actually. Read on.
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.
SHAKIR: O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
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YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
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YUSUFALI: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
PICKTHAL: And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!
SHAKIR: And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
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YUSUFALI: They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
PICKTHAL: They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. There is no Allah save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!
SHAKIR: They have taken their doctors of law and their monks for lords besides Allah, and (also) the Messiah son of Marium and they were enjoined that they should serve one Allah only, there is no god but He; far from His glory be what they set up (with Him).
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YUSUFALI: Fain would they extinguish Allah's light with their mouths, but Allah will not allow but that His light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
PICKTHAL: Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah disdaineth (aught) save that He shall perfect His light, however much the disbelievers are averse.
SHAKIR: They desire to put out the light of Allah with their mouths, and Allah will not consent save to perfect His light, though the unbelievers are averse.
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YUSUFALI: It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).
PICKTHAL: He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse.
SHAKIR: He it is Who sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions, though the polytheists may be averse.
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YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! there are indeed many among the priests and anchorites, who in Falsehood devour the substance of men and hinder (them) from the way of Allah. And there are those who bury gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah: announce unto them a most grievous penalty-
PICKTHAL: O ye who believe! Lo! many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar (men) from the way of Allah. They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom,
SHAKIR: O you who believe! most surely many of the doctors of law and the monks eat away the property of men falsely, and turn (them) from Allah's way; and (as for) those who hoard up gold and silver and do not spend it in Allah's way, announce to them a painful chastisement,
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YUSUFALI: On the Day when heat will be produced out of that (wealth) in the fire of Hell, and with it will be branded their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs, their flanks, and their backs.- "This is the (treasure) which ye buried for yourselves: taste ye, then, the (treasures) ye buried!"
PICKTHAL: On the day when it will (all) be heated in the fire of hell, and their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be branded therewith (and it will be said unto them): Here is that which ye hoarded for yourselves. Now taste of what ye used to hoard.
SHAKIR: On the day when it shall be heated in the fire of hell, then their foreheads and their sides and their backs shall be branded with it; this is what you hoarded up for yourselves, therefore taste what you hoarded.
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Originally posted by Faisal: *
Actually, this whole part of Sura-e-Tawba (Repentence) is extremely important. Its quite *jalali, actually. Read on.
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jalali means angry right?
Oh and I see MAToo has been allowed again, how nice. :)
I think of it more in terms of 'raub" and "dabdaba".
Oh man english please 
I'll have to think about it.
"Authoritative", may be?
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*Originally posted by sokoon: *
Dear readers,
Is it right to say that jews and christians are mushriks? If yes why? If they are something else? then what are they in your opinion? wassalam
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no they are not mushriks that is why it is ok to eat with them or what they cook ( has to be halal ofcourse)
they are not mushriks they are ahle kitab as it says in quran
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that is why it is ok to eat with them
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You mean to suggest that it is NOT ok to eat with those who are neither christians nor jews...like e.g. hindus or parsis?
And then we complained that hindus treat muslims like sh!t pre-1947 and thus we needed a new homeland. Right?
To eat in kafirs home is prohabited. Not in mushrakeins' home as they are ahlal kitab. But they are mushriks as they shierk with GOD. By associating his sons with him.
christians say ESSA is God's son
And Jews say uzair was God's son
Both of these do not believe like us Sorah Qoul "ahad"
So we call them mushreiks.
But because they are not kafirs , they have elahi books and they say God is one .
Many thing are allowed to muslims, in case it is required in any case to marry a christian or to eat in their home , not in a routine way.
sukoon... do you even know the meaning of 'kaffir'?
I am kaffir.
Because I am kaffir I would not invite you to eat at my house unless you need shelter and are hungry.
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
You mean to suggest that it is NOT ok to eat with those who are neither christians nor jews...like e.g. hindus or parsis?
And then we complained that hindus treat muslims like sh!t pre-1947 and thus we needed a new homeland. Right?
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we can't eat from hindus or anyone who is not ahle kitaab..but they can sit with us and eat OUR food
You mean you can't eat puri-chollay from a restaurant owned by a hindu?
DearFaisal , I wanted to write kufr and I wrote kaffir. Kaffirs are those who do not believe in GOD as one, they make idols. GOD of money, God of Light, God of life etc etc and some are those who do pouja patt like Zartoush, they say fire is GOD. such people do not know about Taharat, they do not have any revealed book, and we take their sweat as najis, so we do not eat in their homes.
And those who have elahei books like jews and christians, we believe that they are the followers of the books, they believe in oneness of GOD ,but they do not believe that he " na kesse ka pap, na kouei ouse peda, na wou keisei say peda etc etc " they associate with his ZAat his sons such as essa in christians and uziar in jews. It means they do not beleive in him like we believe in him so we call them rather quran too calls such people mousrakeens. And this is the sheirk they do that they say he is father of:------like a his normal creation.
and GOD is above all such BANDESHS of fatherhood or motherhood etc etc
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
You mean you can't eat puri-chollay from a restaurant owned by a hindu?
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i used to eat puri cholay from indian restraunts before and shrimp fried rice from chinese...but i have totally stopped now because now i know..they are not the people of the book so basically we can't eat anything made out of their hands..i am not sure what ahle sunnah has to say on this issue