Is it REALLY that hard???

[Reha]

@X2

islam is a religion of right and wrong, the issue i see is that people focus on a certain type of wrong more than other type of wrong.

and while we have an issue with people making something unacceptable as acceptable, we dont similarly rect when people start making things that are acceptable into unacceptable.

I agree with you. The focuses are alllllll wrong these days and seem to be on petty issues when looking at a bigger picture.

@X2

are they? I think there is a small set of rules which is clear.
there are others that are based on hearsay and opinions.
I am not cool with turning black or white into gray
but not cool with turning gray or absent into black or white

while the intentions of some may be right, their opinions and views do not become divine law and should not be treated that way.

example I use are things like is lobster or crab allowed, then u quickly would get into schools of thought…not very clear

then we have statements like stoning as punishment for adultery, but is it? where?

there are many gray areas

Adultery is wrong though, isnt it? Yet people use love to justify it or that their spouse doesnt pay attention to them so they had no choice. Its STILL haram and punishable in the eyes of Allah, isnt it?

My point is simply this much: I think people know what is right and wrong…yet choose to either ignore it or use Islam to justify it and as a result…twist the rules for NOT ONLY themselves but others as well.

@TT

Isn’t make-up haram?

TT…do you wear make up?

@X2

reverse happens too, e.g. with fasting and travel, now i hear ppl say well travel in those days was hard so u did not have to fast, now u travel in a plane or by airconditioned car so the allowing to miss roza does not apply to u.

so what amuses me is that we will find arguments to support that view, but if its the opposite and saying something does not apply then its a no.

PS: women are not allowed to travel by themselves..:nono:

LOL…I KNOW women are not allowed to travel alone.

Do you think the part about missing rozas also applie to the four wives rule?

@_Iraj

No bodyshop products are halaal

@Spiral

But isn’t it our duty as Muslims to clear wrong views of people about Islam. I feel that way. If I know something that someone else might not be aware of, I would definitely let them know that this is what Islam wants. Likewise, I always ask other people who have greater knowledge than me about Islam about somethings I don’t understand.

Forcing your believes on someone is one thing but knowing that someone is doing wrong and they might not be aware that their actions are not acceptable and not telling them even once is pretty sinful in my opinion.

I know, growing up and still at this stage where I am married, I still seek knowledge. From MIL and my mom, Imam (kutbas I listen to) etc, I try to gain knowledge and try to correct myself.

What Reha has said here, I don’t know how many of us agree with it, it is true. Lets talk about what she has stated. I don’t see Pork anywhere in her post so lets leave that out or any other thing that she hasn’t mentioned. I see people here saying oh I don’t see anything wrong with dating.. SERIOUSLY??? In the end those people will have to answer to Allah and so do we but spreading wrong knowledge and setting rules according to your own comfort isn’t Islam.

I think clearing up misconceptions for non-muslims is a duty. For instance, many non-muslims think the four wives concept in Islam is to satisfy a man’s sexual desires and as a result turns a woman into a piece of meat. NOT true. They think hijab is to suppress a woman and limit her freedom. NOT true. As a Muslim, putting your absolute BEST foot forward is important when dealing with non-muslims and that in itself clears up quite a bit. By the same token, Islam has also taught us not to develop opinions in haste which we tend to do when it comes to fellow Muslims.

However, being judgemental (not to imply you are Spiral, you’re far from it) as many desi Muslims are…is wrong. Dont you think? Imparting knowledge is one thing but labeling someone as bad is another entirely.

I really do believe people know innately when they are doing something wrong…I do…why wouldnt anyone else? It feels wrong. You feel a slight pang of guilt. But to justify that to others by saying its okay…Islam isnt that strict…is not right. My point is about mucking up our boundaries and making it so our future generations will be completely lost about right and wrong. I was thinking about my kids (when I have any, Inshallah) and I dont know what I will tell them anymore. I mean, as Muslims are we where we need to be? They will see people justifying dating, alcohol and such…and get influenced…no?

@Deeba1234

^Yes, but then hijab is seen as obligatory and hardly any of us wear that either so what right do we have to lecture others and say things like ‘is it so hard to..?’ when others can thrown that back in our faces for the (many) unIslamic things we do ourselves?

We can give input and guide but then it’s down to them. Wish everyone would concentrate on themselves rather than keep on pointing out faults in others, can’t just pick and choose what is fine for us then go on about dating is haram or drinking is haram prob cos it’s **not acceptable in our culture **(whilst stuff like going without hijab and mixing with non-mehrams such as cousins is culturally not seen as such a big deal even tho it’s just as bad, isn’t the BIL described as ‘death’ yet most desis couldn’t care less about married women mixing with them).

You’re talking about preaching and lecturing. I dont think thats what Im addressing here Deeba.

NOT wearing hijab is wrong…dating is wrong…alcohol is wrong…full stop.

Using Islam to make them okay or justifying using our religion and not admitting these things are wrong…is my point. We should be able to recognize the good and bad. Its becoming harder to do because no one thinks what they’re doing is wrong.

@Decent_6Chora

Will you tell someone if they are over speeding that dont over speed, you will get a ticket? or will you tell someone if they are stealing something that dont steal, you can go to jail for this ?

Here is what you (or most of the people will do). They will tell the person once and if the person does not listen, then its upto them but you WILL tell them for once ..right?

Yup.