Is It Ok To Have Sex With Female Slaves In Islam

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im not going to advocate the cause of keeping slaves for sex because i cant identify with the idea myself. but your suggestion that just because it is encouraged it is also prescribed doesnt hold water. there is a major distinction between the two things, and never have Muslim ulema been confused regarding whether or not its actually mandatory to free Muslim slaves.

you may postulate the reasoning behind the rationale of slavery rules in Islam, I just needed to know whether it is required to free Muslim slave girls in particular, which doesnt seem to be the case.

it certainly is highly laudable to free any slave, not just Muslim ones, as the ayahs you say say. Unlike namaz, which is prescribed a number of times in the Quran, freeing slaves is not a obligatory.

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righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the Prophets; and giveth his wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress.

Everything listed in this ayah is well known to be "mandatory", or "farz"...but somehow "to set slaves free" is the one element in the sequence of "farz" actions/behavior that is not mandatory?

I don't buy that.

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By the way, when I talk about it being "farz", I do acknowledge that there are times when its okay to break this "farz"...just like if we're travelling or sick and we can't do the full 5 namazein in their entirety (or 3 if you're Shia or whatever), there is most likely circumstances under which slaves can't be freed...like maybe if your slave has been taken in time of war, and that war is still going on, and if that slave could cause potential damage, etc.

In the above ayah I have posted, I'm not sure if its slaves in general or muslim slaves, also.

But I think the "farz" nature of it, granted there are no extenuating circumstances, is pretty clear.

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no everything is not fardh up there pcg. to give you just one example of that, giving to the needy, beyond zakat is not fardh. zakat is not mentioned there, the verse talks about sadqa, which is the wealth spent on needy people beyond whats due to them. this is sawab but not fardh (as in there is no gunah if you dont give sadqa)

you're extrapolating way too much if you're suggesting that these properties of these righteous people are necessarily the properties of all Muslims. furthermore, freeing slaves here is in the same vein as spending money. the implication isnt that you have to free all your female Muslim slaves, just as it isnt that you have to spend all your money on needy people.

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I took it to mean zakat. Does the actual arabic say "sadqa" or indicate sadqa? If it doesn't say sadqa, I would take it to mean zakat. I didn't think the Quran actually diffrentiates between the two but rather always talks about "charity" in general, which is taken to mean zakat. I may be wrong.

Here's some more stuff. Feel free to check the references, since I'm not looking it all up to verify using my copy of the Quran.

9. A big source of the institution of slavery at the advent of the last Prophet (sws) was the prisoners of war. The Qur’an rooted this out by legislating that prisoners of war should be freed at all costs – either by accepting ransom or as a favour by not taking any ransom money. No other option was available to the Muslims. - The Qur’an, 47:4; for further details see: The Islamic Law of Jihad, Monthly Renaissance, June2002, Daru’l-Ishraq, Lahore**

And here is the ayah that I was thinking of...I may have been a bit wrong. If the muslim slave WANTS to be set free, you have to set them free. So its not that just in virtue of accepting Islam, is a sex slave set free...but rather that she must ask for her her freedom in writing.

***Let us look at Noble Verse 24:33 "Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until God gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which God has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is God, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them)," In this Noble Verse, we see that if a slave requests his freedom from his Muslim master, then his master not only must help him earn his freedom if there is good in the Slave, but also pay him money so the slave can have a good start in his free life.*

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Like I said, lets look at things realistically. You have a muslim master who has a servant and he's using her to sleep with her. It can't be done against her will, whether she is muslim or not. And if she is a believing woman, she has every right to ask for freedom, and she must be given that freedom, whether her master likes it or not.

So what woman in her right mind is going to acquiesce to being a servant who is shagging her master, and at the same time, does not have the same rights and status as this master's legal wife (wives)?

Only if being set free means that you're at a disadvantage. That is in a society where your chances of survival are higher if you allow yourself to be shagged by your master, than if you were to attempt to build your future on your own. And those times do happen, unfortunately. But if you're living in today's world...unless you're in a totally poverty stricken chaotic anarchial area of the world, you have no reason to be anyone's sex slave, nor do you have a reason to have sex slaves. Which is pretty much anyone that is visiting this website.

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if you notice in the verse, there is "pay the poor due". What is due is what is obligatory i.e. zakat. Whereas the first, spending from the wealth on orphans and wayfarers doesnt really come under zakat, especially considering that zakat in those times was collected by the state.

I also found this quranic verse:

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Qur'an 2:221 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow)
**Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; and give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe, for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. **These invite unto the Fire, and Allah inviteth unto the Garden, and unto forgiveness by His grace, and expoundeth thus His revelations to mankind that haply they may remember.

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seems to settle the question in my mind that believing bondswomen/slaves can Islamically exist, although your last post does show that they should be freed if they request it and one has the means to save them from falling into degradation after being freed.

rahi baat why would any believing woman consent to be a slave, i agree there would have to be very extreme circumstances for a woman to consent to such a thing.

Ishaq Or Kam
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The verse you just posted above 2:221 is a relativistic verse. A believing bondswoman is a better person TO WED than an idolatress. So yes, they existed, and I don't deny that.

Which is another incentive, actually, to transfer women in bondage to the free-living social state...and actually refers back to my original claim that you should marry your slave when she converts to Islam. Perhaps its not an ultimate order, but it sure is an encouragement to wed your sex slave when she chooses to embrace Islam.

But from what I see, it was not an ABSOLUTIST ORDER to have sex slaves...or een normative...i.e. you SHOULD have sex slaves. It was something, rather that, you should refrain from...and if you are to be righteous, then you are to really refrain from it.

This brings up the topic of being a muslim and being righteous. Aren't they the same thing? Or is "righteous" a subclass of muslims...and if that is the case, shouldn't we all be aiming to be righteous...in which case if we have a slave (whether we use her for sex or not), we should be giving that slave up?

You can't possibly say that Islam ENCOURAGES having sex with a slave...but rather that it was allowed...most likely because it was a better alternative to the state of conditions that did exist at the time (near-anarchy-barbarianism).

However, it was always Islam's method of banning things, by slowly taking people away from the bad habit...rather than by passing an ultimatum ban. This can be seen in the gradual prohibitions on alcohol. Likewise, it seems to be that many incentives were given to free slaves with the motive in mind to eventually abolish it.

So, if the question is, are we allowed to have sex slaves...being spoken from the here and now...I would safely venture to say, NO, we are not allowed to have sex slaves...because we're not allowed to have slaves in the first place.

The only exception I can think of is POW's. Are you allowed to take a female prisoner of war and then have intercourse with her. Yes, if she's willing. Are you going to find such a woman? Yeah, keep wishing.

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I only pretend to be a philosopher so I have no idea what normative and adjunctive means, apologies. i'll only address the two points i can understand :D

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However, it was always Islam's method of banning things, by slowly taking people away from the bad habit...rather than by passing an ultimatum ban. This can be seen in the gradual prohibitions on alcohol. Likewise, it seems to be that many incentives were given to free slaves with the motive in mind to eventually abolish it.

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the weakness here is that at no point was an actual ban announced, whereas a ban was announced for everything else that was gradually phased out. so when the religion was completed "alyoum akmaltu lakum deenukum...", slavery was infact allowed.

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So, if the question is, are we allowed to have sex slaves...being spoken from the here and now...I would safely venture to say, NO, we are not allowed to have sex slaves...because we're not allowed to have slaves in the first place.

The only exception I can think of is POW's. Are you allowed to take a female prisoner of war and then have intercourse with her. Yes, if she's willing. Are you going to find such a woman? Yeah, keep wishing.

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you're assuming that not being able to find a woman willing to be a sex slave equates to not being allowed to have one should one find her. heres one example i can give you. what if in order to avoid the whole hassle of marriage, a Muslim woman gives herself over to a man in a slave status simply to satisfy needs while not having time for marriage. under such an arrangement, wouldnt your theory of slavery being banned because no woman would consent to being in that status be false?

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Are u sure slavery is permitted...or are we talking about servitude?

In slavery, you have labor, and you're not getting paid with anything. In servitude, you usually are treated humanely, and sometimes as part of the family, and you pick up wages.

I wonder if historically these two terms have been mixed up in Islamic history and in the Quranic translations.

As for your scenario - plenty of women like that exist. They're called mistresses, and they have no problem in ruining another woman's life for their own convenience and greed.

But then...how can Islam condone that...?

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the weakness here is that at no point was an actual ban announced, whereas a ban was announced for everything else that was gradually phased out. so when the religion was completed "alyoum akmaltu lakum deenukum...", slavery was infact allowed.

Lets look at what the Quran says. It says that righteous people will free their slaves. Or, in other words, if you are righteous, you will free your slaves. Or in other words, if you want to be righteous, you should, of many acts, free your slaves.

Therefore, I think its quite clear that Islam does NOT ENCOURAGE slavery, and if anything is asking us to rid ourselves of the practice. Now, we still have servants, and the line between slavery and servitude can often be blurred. You can have slaves that you treat well, and you can have servants that you abuse. So what is right, really, and what is wrong?

But I disagree with you here. If the Quran is telling you that it is a righteous thing to do is to free your slaves, then you must admit, that is a CLEAR suggestion that you free your slaves...that is something that Allah likes, and can win you brownie points (sawab). Therefore, I see it as a gradual elimination of slavery.

By the way, you must also look at slavery itself and why it exists or existed in the first place. If there is a legitimate reason for slavery, like paying back a debt by free labor, then I dont see any harm in it. As long as there is no mistreatment. Therefore, I can see why the Quran would not give an outright ban to slavery. Because slavery does not just mean African Americans in shackles. But, nonetheless, slavery is harmful to a human being who doesn't want to be in a state of slavery. How can the Quran allow for harming another individual? That is why, slaves are given the right to be let out of their slavery if they choose to be free. That is why I say, the only reason that a slave will wish to remain a slave is if there is advantage in staying a slave over being free - i.e. state of anarchy. This is especially so for women, but can also be applied to men. But allowing people who WISH to be slaves to stay slaves, is very different from encouraging slavery. Which is in turn, different from banning slavery outright. Nonetheless, to go from a society in which slavery is actively encouraged to one in which its tolerated only if the slave wishes to be a slave...is a form of watering down an ultimatum.

A student who is doing their professor's research for no fee or pay, except simply to win a favor or boost a grade, or to get a letter of rec, or make an ally in academia, or to win approval, etc etc - is also a form of slavery...that is if the definition of slavery is "labor without monetary/traditional forms of payment".

I think we need to go back and look at the definition of slavery.

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hum, I am reading all the posts and this tog-o-war between the members. first of all, the topic poster seems confused the way he has posted the topic..

"have sex with a slave"

It seems to be witten in the modern perspective of having sex without marriage or in other words "to full fill the lsut"..........This is a propaganda that has been spread by the non-muslims to created confusion about Islam. I think the verses of Surah Nisa are too exlpicit for anyone to understand and comprehend.

*The word "SLAVE" is not used in its right perspective. This word is just a mere INADEQUACY of finding the EQUIVALENT word of the word in Arabic that means "What your right hand possesses". *

lets look at the verses and the English translation by all three eninemt translators. Nowhere the word SLAVE is used ....

[Shakir 4:3] And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course.
[Yusufali 4:3] If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.[Pickthal 4:3] And if ye fear that ye will not deal fairly by the orphans, marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess. Thus it is more likely that ye will not do injustice.

[Shakir 4:24] And all married women except those whom your right hands possess (this is) Allah's ordinance to you, and lawful for you are (all women) besides those, provided that you seek (them) with your property, taking (them) in marriage not committing fornication. Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed; and there is no blame on you about what you mutually agree after what is appointed; surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.
[Yusufali 4:24] Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.

[Pickthal 4:24] And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise

[Shakir 4:25] And whoever among you has not within his power ampleness of means to marry free believing women, then (he may marry) of those whom your right hands possess from among your believing maidens; and Allah knows best your faith: you are (sprung) the one from the other; so marry them with the permission of their masters, and give them their dowries justly, they being chaste, not fornicating, nor receiving paramours; and when they are taken in marriage, then if they are guilty of indecency, they shall suffer half the punishment which is (inflicted) upon free women. This is for him among you who fears falling into evil; and that you abstain is better for you, and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[Yusufali 4:25] If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

[Pickthal 4:25] And whoso is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. Allah knoweth best (concerning) your faith. Ye (proceed) one from another; so wed them by permission of their folk, and give unto them their portions in kindness, they being honest, not debauched nor of loose conduct. And if when they are honourably married they commit lewdness they shall incur the half of the punishment (prescribed) for free women (in that case). This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

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It is very clear that these verses mean that a Muslim can be intimate with women that have been procured as captives (IF HE HAS NO FINANCIAL MEANS) and even then according to Molana Modudi's Tafhim-ul-Quran, there are some rules and regulations for the issue as follows (I am translating them from his tafseer here myself for the ease) from Tafhim-ul-Quran page 340 Please let go any of my translation mistake if any.

POINT # 1
The women who are captured in a war, no soldier can indulge in any kind of sexual activity with them. Such women are straight handed over to the government. The government has the prerogative to set them free, take "Fidya" for them, exchange them for Muslim POWs or distribute them in the soldiers. A soldier can only be intimate with the woman that have been given to him from the government's proper disposal.

POINT # 2
A woman that has been disposed to a soldier through the government, a soldier cannot have sex with her till she menstruates at least once so as to make sure she is not pregnant. Before making sure is she is pregnant, it is HARAM to have sex with her. If she is obviouslt pregnant, it is HARAM to have sex with her

POINT # 3
It is not necessary for the captive women to be from Ahl-ul-Kitab. To whatever religion them belong, when they have been disposed/distributed to who so ever, he can be intimate with her/them.

POINT # 4
A person can have sex with only that women which have been given to him from the government, and not with anyone else. The childern from this lady will be considered the LEGITIMATE generation of that MAN who has that woman and such childern will have the SAME LEGAL RIGHTS what has been described in SHARIAH for the real kids. Such woman CANNOT be sold after a man has childern with her and if her master dies, she will automatically be set free.

POINT # 5
If such a woman is given to some other man, IN NIKAH, by the first man who obtained her from the government, he cannot have sex with her.

POINT # 6
There is no restriction on the number of Captive ladies similar to the one one the Wives (Four views) from Shariah. The reason behind this was not that the people accumulate such captive ladies in their homes countless but it is kept in this way because of the uncertainity of the war situations and results.

POINT # 7
This doesn't relate to the topic's discussion

POINT # 8
The disposal of captive ladies with ownership rights from the government to the Muslim men, is exactly similar in legality as NIKAH that is why someone who is not hesitant to marry someone would not feel aversive to being intimate with the captive lady.....

POINT # 9
If some commander, for the time being, allows his soldiers to have sex with the PRISONER ladies, just to fullfill the lust, it is totally HARAM according to Islamic Law....There is no difference between Zina and this act committed this way.

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I guess these two points from his book answer the topic of this thread very well

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And also that you cannot take the woman to bed against her will. That is MOST important. That point alone should indicate that this allowance of having intercourse with your "right hand" is not the same as fulfilling lustful desires.

A "right hand" from what I've read is not just a war captive. Its anyone who is in your domestic home - someone that is financially dependent on you. A servant for example.

That is why I say, lets not confuse slavery with servitude.

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It is very clear that these verses mean that a Muslim can be intimate with women that have been procured as captives (IF HE HAS NO FINANCIAL MEANS)

I think the verse says that you can MARRY women that have been procured as captives if you don’t have financial means.

Although I dont understand that. So if you’re a poor guy, and you can’t afford to keep a muslim wife, then you can go ahead and marry a slave girl? So slave girls only get poor men? :confused: I know there is more to this.

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What have I written and what have you written??? Do they bear any relaton??? Can they be corelated??? I can see you haven’t tried to read or pa head to what I wrote and passed your VERDICT as usual :rolleyes:

What is “FORCED SEX” ??? Can you define it? Can you define it considering the sanctity of a “Husband-Wife relation” defined by Islam??? Can you define the term “Forced sex” or “Against her will” in the perspective of the moral solidarity of a society??? Can you define “forced sex/sex against the will” in the context of human desires???

Do you think when it comes to having sex, a woman has some extra prerogative of denying it than a man??? What is the worm in your head??? Do you know how sexuality exists between a man and a woman??? What is its nature???

This issue of WHEN TO HAVE SEX and WHEN NOT is upto a couple, upto two married people… YOU SIMPLY CANNOT SPEAK ON BEHALF OF TWO MARRIED PEOPLE of what would constitute a “forced sex or sex against HER will”…

More openly speaking if a wife denies sex to her husband, she should ARRANGE for another woman for her man lets say if she were to deny it for a month… Right? That is your correct judgment says???

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You don’t use magnifying glasses to read, don’t you? Read my 9 points and try to draw an inference. You’d know what do they mean.

As I said, human need, psychology and behavior is not what YOU can predict? *The way Allah has made poor guys, the same way Allah has made women for them who don’t have HIGH HOPES AND EXPECTATIONS. Allah has made women of different thinkings, different backgrounds, different needs, different wants, different priorities… Being poor does not mean a man has no soul, a man has no sexual needs or wants. Before being a male, he is A HUMAN. And being human he needs to be treated like a human. *If Allah has written little RIZK for a man, does it mean he should not marry? What would he do then? Go to prostitues and pay 10 $ for a night and bing moral decay to the society? Does it mean being poor no man has no right? And if a man has poor, such thoughts like you said have to push him to wrong ways??? If according to your mind, a woman has to be the way your mind says, then I cannot say anything to you anymore.

Once again, the answer to your “question” is in the Surah Nisa Verse 25 as I posted above. The problem is that you don’t read things properly

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very clearly explaining the situation in those 9 points....

i dont think why anyone shud have more queries after these points r mentioned....

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Stud,
As I told you that Muslims would definitely try to mislead you. But the simple answer is ‘YES’.

There is a verse in Quran, says…..Man can have a second wife, provided he is fair with both of them, and so, he can have third or fourth wife, provided he remains fair with all….or he can satisfy himself with his ‘laundi’ maid-slave.

Actual word is ‘laundi’.