This is a serious question and I want an answer. Does islam allow men to hold female slaves and have sex with them.I know that men can not force a slave to have sex with them but if they are consenting then is it allright. I have heard that in Islam you can even have children from a slave.Is this all true? Please clarify I need to know . Thankyou. I read somewhere in the Quran about " What the right hand posseses" Is it a reference to slavery ?
Please Explain.
Please read my posting "This is in Ref to 714" under Pre-marital sex in General Forum. If you need further information please let me know.
Farid
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This is a serious question and I want an answer. Does islam allow men to hold female slaves and have sex with them.I know that men can not force a slave to have sex with them but if they are consenting then is it allright. I have heard that in Islam you can even have children from a slave.Is this all true? Please clarify I need to know . Thankyou. I read somewhere in the Quran about " What the right hand posseses" Is it a reference to slavery ?
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What a shame! Islam does not allow slavery! Rest everthing is out of question.
What so ever you have "assumed" from any sourse is either a misinterprettion by some conventional Mullas.
It can neither be acceptable in a normal life nor in the aftermath of any wars. The option of 2nd marriage is only for such occasions of killings where there remain a lot of homeless orphans , females in particualr.
Slavery? No way.
Someone even more interested in this subject is suggested to study literature of allam Ghulam Ahmad Pervez (The founder of Taloo-e-Islam)
I invite you to read the following which I copied from from the site 'Islam-Question and Answers'.
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The difference between slaves and prostitutes
I've heard that it is allowed for men to have intercourse with their slaves. Does that stand for women too, & if men can have intercourse with their slaves (the ones they have bought) then why is it so much ill thought of the prostitutes...they too are, kind of bought at others will, for shorter time period perhaps. Can you make all this clear & why is it so that Islam did not stop slavery....they are humans as well, & are against their will kept in captivity & against their will may be forced into intercourse?
Praise be to Allaah.
Slavery in Islam was originally prescribed because of Kufr. If there is jihaad between the Muslims and the kuffaar, and a number of kuffaar are taken prisoner, the commander is given the choice of sharing them out, doing them a favour (by releasing them) or paying their ransom. If they are shared out as part of the booty, they become slaves, subject to the laws governing products which may be sold. But at the same time, Islam urges the freeing of slaves and makes doing so an act of expiation for numerous sins. In principle, slavery is not something that is desirable; what is encouraged in Islam is the freeing of slaves. If a woman is enslaved according to sharee’ah, it is permissible for her master to have intercourse with her. This is unlike prostitution or zinaa, which Islam has forbidden as a precaution against mixing lineages and other reasons for which it is forbidden. There is no comparison between the two, because if a slave woman becomes pregnant, the child belongs to the master and she becomes free when he dies, because she has become the mother of the master’s child (umm walad), and is subject to the same rulings as a wife. And Allaah knows best.
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In my humble opinion, slavery is not permissable anymore, so the question of having intercourse with them also does not arise.
Malik 362:1221 Ibn Fahd said "I have some slave girls who are better than my wives, but I do not desire that they should all become pregnant. Shall I do azl(withdrawal) with them?" Hajjaj said "They are your fields of cultivation. If you wish to irrigate them do so, if not keep them dry."
Read the next verse carefully.
Malik 365:1245 A man said, "My wife has willfully given my slavegirl with whom I used to cohabit her own milk to drink. What is my relationship to the slave girl ?" Omar said "Punish your wife and go into your slave girl".
It is permissible to have sex even with a prostitute (free of cost) once you take control of her by force and declare her a kafir.
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**Malik 362:1221 Ibn Fahd said "I have some slave girls who are better than my wives, but I do not desire that they should all become pregnant. Shall I do azl(withdrawal) with them?" Hajjaj said "They are your fields of cultivation. If you wish to irrigate them do so, if not keep them dry."
Read the next verse carefully.
Malik 365:1245 A man said, "My wife has willfully given my slavegirl with whom I used to cohabit her own milk to drink. What is my relationship to the slave girl ?" Omar said "Punish your wife and go into your slave girl".
It is permissible to have sex even with a prostitute (free of cost) once you take control of her by force and declare her a kafir.**
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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<dhir . what are u saying. where did u get this stuff?
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**Malik 362:1221 Ibn Fahd said "I have some slave girls who are better than my wives, but I do not desire that they should all become pregnant. Shall I do azl(withdrawal) with them?" Hajjaj said "They are your fields of cultivation. If you wish to irrigate them do so, if not keep them dry."
Read the next verse carefully.
Malik 365:1245 A man said, "My wife has willfully given my slavegirl with whom I used to cohabit her own milk to drink. What is my relationship to the slave girl ?" Omar said "Punish your wife and go into your slave girl".
It is permissible to have sex even with a prostitute (free of cost) once you take control of her by force and declare her a kafir.**
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I have to mention the following points:
(1) No Muslim can/will deny that such sotries are available in abundance in "other-than-Quraanic" literature. Non-Muslims do have the right to ridicule such nonsense.
(2) The school of thought I belong to, has totaly rejected such stories, aurguments and the mad-logics about the whole issue. I can only tell everybody that:
a. Islam has only one option for the sexual relationship i.e. Nikah (in modern wording Declaration + Registeration for being a husbadn & wife))
b. Islam claims to be the best perspective of human dignity. Scope of slavery demolishes this claim in one blow! So it is next to impossible if there is such a "loop-hole"!
But a chellanger (like dhir) will obviously not agree to what my faith is. Becasue he is least interested what Islam says and why. He has entered the discussion just to create fuss and to try to availa a chance to laugh at Muslims (of course for this cheap-stuff). Taking it as my duty, I request him (or her, who knows!) to start telling everybody from this day onward ,"such bullshit is nowhere in the Holy book, Quraan and it is certainly brain-child of some idiots or wicked, as a Muslim woman named Sophia Mujahid has told me"!!
Before laughing at others "dhir" should see within themselves. What good can be found for a Hindu women in ancient India? Hindu literature confirms that a Hindu "istry" was supposed to be "utilized" by the brothers of her husband. So Dropadi had 10 husbands and they lost her in a gamble. There was also a belief, that the real righteous possessor of a woman is only Brahmin, if a woman had seven non-brahmin husbands and a Brahmin holds her hand then he would be considered the sole possessor of that woman!
The stunning custom of "Sati" is not sort of cruelity or foolishness to the point-raiser ?! The presense of "Yellama" in the temples of Karnataka even today can be witnessed, where poor girls are adapted by the temple to bring them up for "public Sexual Service".
Being a Muslim I have denied the charges you claimed, Can you defend your own religious stupidity? The story which you have quoted starts with "..A man said..!" have no authenticity in it. What I have pointed out about your 'culture" is still prevailant, Does it boather you?
These are ancient theories and for the gone systems and societies our Holy Book has given us a philosophy, we follow: "Those were the people who are no more, they are responsible for what they did, and YOU would be responsible what you do and you will never be asked about what THEY had done."
So we dont have any faith in such foolishness.
I am more concerned however about how Beykhatar (who, I assume, is a Muslim)tried to justify the matter with his funny argument. I would like to inform him that:
It was a tradition of ancient Arabs before the light of Islam. It was a common practise to "buy" woman from various "bazars" in Egypt, Iraq, Syrai and Yemen. These "purchased" women could never acquire a staus in that society equal to the local "married" ladies. To re-sell or to "gift" such women , was also "fair" as per their local code of conduct. We can further visualize that we are talking about a society which had illicit relationships and rapes at its extreme. The life of women was so miserable that a birth of a baby-girl was regarded as a shame. Such fathers felt embarrassed to face the taunting eyes of the fellow males of the society. Consequesntly, many of the males used to kill those babies. In Quraan there is a question to the humanity, "what would you say when she asks for what crime was I killed?"
And then there was a miracle. A man, named Mohammad (PBUH) chellanged the whole society about the falseness of their system. The reaction was the same which always happens in the bettle of good & evil. Finally, Mohammad was the victor and whole society, the lords and the common realized & admitted(we call it Iman) that they were on a wrong track and the "right" way to establish the best peaceful society is the way Mohammad (PBUH) preeched. (Quranic wording: La khaufun alaihum wa la hum yahzanoon: where there is no fear and no regrets!)
So converting the worst into the best, Islam has offered the best social code for the dignity and honour of women. Slavery and buying & selling was declared "Haraam", (in modern language "banned" or a crime). But the reasonables do realize what an embarrassing situation it could be for those women and for those who "owned" them. The best solution was to ban this practise for the time to come. What had "already" been done, those males were advised to either free those woman in the name of Allah (giving them a favour) or to marry them.
For the POWs the Quranic suggestion is "free them doing them a favour or negotiate with opponents (as per the feasibility). For the time such women have to stay in custody of Muslims, is not a very difficult questions, they should treat as other human-beings and thats all. No certification can be obtained from Quraan that those can be "used" by the victors. Logically, the Muslims might face a situation when their women or children can be captured by the opponent. So one can expect good from the opponent by showing their own good.
What history tells us with authenticity is that it was implemented and honoured. All the available stories about such "relationships" are either false, purposely fabricated by Muslim imperialists or can be of pre-Islamic rule.
The ultimate testimony for the Muslims is Quran. About this subject, when I consulted a book written by my favourite scholar Allama Ghulam Ahmad Pervez captioned "Islam aur Laundian", he has wisely pointed out that whereever in Quran something is mentioned about "those" women, it starts with (Arabic) ...Ma malakat eimanokum... i.e. those who "have been" in your possession! and we can find "Nowhere" in Quran any advice or suggestion like (God forbid) to those whome your are "going to" or "will" take in your possession. The Past tense says it all!
Another point to be noted is that despite all the objective tempring with Islamic code, the paid fabricators or such story-writers (in some instances ahadeeth as well) rarely dare to attach the women slavery with Mohammad (PBUH) and with his close companions, the Caliphs. This pre-Islam evil was re-adopted and well-flourished in Abbasi Caliph's regime. The professional Mullas made their place around the kings and Islam was transformed into another religion, just a tool to justify King's rule and its cruelity.
How would one react, if I say that Imperialism is "Haraam" in Islam? Look at the world today and find if you can find a single "Islamic" government anywhere ?! There is not a single Islamic government the world over. Yes, I do agree, there are some who are trying hard to establish a complete Islamic state, It might be in Afghanistan or in United States Of America (its only the God Alimighty who has the precise knowledge about what will happen next!)
So till we get rid of this conventional religion, we should do our best to condemn such inhuman theories about slavery and....Becasue as a Muslim its our duty to always be in Jihad i.e. "amar bil ma'roof wa nahi anil munkar" (To fight for good and to eradicate eveil)
I am,
Sophia Mujahid.
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أو ما ملكت ايمانكم - Can someone explain please what this Ayah means.. If translated right i think it means you can have sex with slave girls besides your legal wives.
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Muslims will definitely try to mislead you. But the simple answer is ‘YES’.
There is a verse in Quran, says…..Man can have a second wife, provided he is fair with both of them, and so, he can have third or fourth wife, provided he remains fair with all….or he can satisfy himself with his ‘laundi’ maid-slave.
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If his female-slave does not want to have intercourse with him, he can't force her. So she can't be pressured into it at all. If his female-slave converts to Islam, then he can't screw around with her - he must marry her (I think that is what the Quran says, please correct me if I'm wrong). If she asks to be set free, he has to set her free.
Now, the question is...what lady in her right mind is going to acquiesce to being a slave to someone, who is having sex with her, and not marrying her, and where her status is not equivalent to his wife's?
This will ONLY happen at a time where its safer to stay with a man as his slave than it is to be free - i.e. a state of anarchy in the society.
There are plenty of threads on this topic that have been discussed to death. Do a search option in this forum, and you'll come up with plenty of discussions.
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If his female-slave converts to Islam, then he can't screw around with her - he must marry her
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not true to my knowledge, and i can think of a fair number of female Muslim slaves. could u cite the quranic reference you speak of?
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I'm not positively sure, but from what I remember that is true. Or may its if she converts to Islam and asks to be made a wife, (and you haven't hit your 4rth yet), then you are obligated to marry her.
Its somewhere in those recent threads no slave girls.
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i'd like to see a reference because i can think of a fair number of female Muslim slaves of sahaba, including hazrat ali.
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http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=181033
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=190442&highlight=slavery
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=153077&highlight=slavery
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But then that doesn't make much sense. The limit is 4 women. Then was the art of having sex slaves an attempt to go beyond the 4?
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pcg how does that help, i know its been discussed.. i cant find the specific reference you speak of, and i believe a lot of Muslim sahabas had muslim slave girls/
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**Surah 4 Verse 25
This verse confirms what I have just said; opening the door for female slaves or captives to be married by destitute Muslims who cannot afford the dowry of free women. Notice here that the Qur’an uses the expression “what your right hands.” What is the significance of this expression?
The word “right hands” here refers to women taken as prisoners of war. It is by no means an implication of concubinage, for this is totally prohibited in Islam. Nor does it refer to purchasing female slaves from market to be used to satisfy sexual urge. It’s during warfare that the right hand actually takes possession of captives, and this is what the Qur’an means. That’s point number one.
Point number two is that, the word “right hands possess” also has another significance that clearly reflects the great concern Islam has for preserving the rights of those captives. As we know, the right hand has its special merit and privileged functions that man instinctively reserve for it. Imam Kurtubi, in his commentary on this verse, says: “Allah Almighty uses the word ‘right hand’ here for it denotes great honor and respect. It suffices that it’s the one used when referring to spending, as mentioned in the hadith ‘… he who provides charity (seeking only Allah’s reward) in a way that his left hand does not know what his right hand spends …’ And it is the very hand used in making pledge of allegiance … etc.”
All this indicates that the word “what your right hand possess” has a special and glorified meaning in Islamic usage. In fact, it signifies the great care and good treatment that captives or prisoners of wars should be accorded. This is how Islam dealt with the issue from the earliest stages.
All this did not materialize all of a sudden, for slavery was a social ailment that needed to be addressed. So it was a gradual strategy laid down by Islam, not only to eradicate slavery, but also to give the freed slaves a complete social rehabilitation. First of all, Islam stipulated that all masters should take care of their captives; they should not be overburdened with tasks, nor should they be deprived of their human rights. The Prophet (pbuh) made this clear in his hadith that masters should treat their slaves as their brothers and female captives as their sisters, if not in faith, at least in humanity. He said:
“Your servants are thy brethren. Allah has put them under your control. He could, if He willed, make you under their control. Thus, whoever has his brother under his control, let him feed him of his same food and dress him of his same dress. Never saddle them with work that goes beyond their capability. If the work happens to be somehow difficult, lend them a helping hand.”
As for female captives, Imam Bukhari quotes the Prophet, as saying:
“If any of you have a slave girl, whom he gives good education and excellent training, and then he emancipates her and marries her, he shall have a two-fold reward.”
You see; that’s how Islam set the course of emancipating slaves. They should definitely be well treated. Also, educating female captives and marrying them, after emancipation is considered an act of charity, which would earn one great reward. Not only that. Islam further put an end to the habit of using derogative names of “slaves” or “servants”. For in Islam, man must not show servitude to anyone besides Allah the Almighty. So it was stipulated that the captives should be addressed by “fatah” (boy) or “fatat” (girl). Besides, the act of emancipating slaves used to be a competitive work among the Prophet’s Companions, for it was highly recommended by Islam and was considered an act of worship.
What’s more, Islam has also made use of what was an international custom during that era; i.e. the custom of having intercourse with female captives. Here Islam stipulated that if through sexual intercourse, the female slave got pregnant from her master, she would automatically gain her freedom. So would her child, for he’d be born free then. What a wise approach to eliminate a bad habit! So it was not a means of unleashing sexual desires. Otherwise, it would have been something permanent, being pregnant would have availed the slave woman nothing, for she’d remain the property of her master no matter how. No, Islam was not after such a sensual and voluptuous goal.
Sister Julia, to cover all the aspects of humane treatment of slave women in Islam, it’d take volumes of books. So I think this brief remark will do for now.
Does Islam allow Slavery?
If you have any further inquiry don’t hesitate to contact us. Thanks.
Mr. Lamaan Ball editor of Ask About Islam adds:
Islam effectively prohibited slavery by prohibiting making people slaves in any way except temporarily during wars. Once the war is over, such people must either be freed by negotiation and ransom (e.g. exchanges of prisoners of war) or set free without any ransom.
There were many ways that existing slaves could become freed including those mentioned by Kamal but also to gain God’s forgiveness for doing a sin, setting a slave free was commanded in the Qur’an. Freeing slaves was also one of the clear priorities for government spending of Zakat(obliged charity spending administered by the state).**
I don't know how Ali (R) kept those slaves, especially if he had children by them, because if this article is true, those women should have been set free immediately after bearing children of Ali's (R)
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a. the article doesnt cite a reference for the compulsory freedom of a pregnant slave (not necessarily Muslim) girl.
b. im not aware of Hazrat Ali having children with his Muslim slave girls.
c. pregnancy aside, the article does talk about considering slaves their brothers and sisters in faith if not humanity, which does imply that Muslim slave girls are allowed.
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The Prophet (pbuh) made this clear in his hadith that masters should treat their slaves as their brothers and female captives as their sisters, if not in faith, at least in humanity...
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First off, lets talk about what the Quran says. I wont go into what Ali (R) did or did not do, because what we know of him is based on historical writings, and also hadith, both of which I tend to be wary of. Furthermore, did God ever say - look to Ali (R) as an example?? No. So, at the most I will go to the extent of describing the Prophet (SAW) and how he handled the situation. He married his slave, Maria Copt, when she converted to Islam.
Here are Quranic ayahs. Its not mandatory I guess to marry your slave, but these ayahs are pretty clear about how you are to treat them, and its also very clear that emancipation of slaves is highly permitted.
Now whether its mandatory or not to free your slaves, is a matter of semantics. Often times, what we think should be mandatory, we often look at the Quran, see that it suggests and encourages something and then we say its "mandatory". Then other things that are also suggested, we say they're not "mandatory"...if the Quran is encouraging you to free your slaves, for me that's pretty darn mandatory. If you notice in one of these ayahs, freeing slaves is listed right next to being steady in your prayers. 5 Times namaz is farz, ain't it...so why isn't freeing your sex slave? I'm sorry if Ali (R) didn't happen to do that, but that's between him and God, because who knows what really did or did not happen? I sure don't know, and I'm not willing to take some history record of Ali (R), who isn't even a Prophet, as a guide, when I have the Quran right here telling me otherwise.
Attempt the Ascent, Free a Slave, Qur'an: Surah 90 Al-Balad (The City): Nay, I swear by this city... We verily have created man in an atmosphere... But he hath not attempted the Ascent, Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Ascent is! It is to free a slave, And to feed in the day of hunger, An orphan near of kin, Or some poor wretch in misery. And to be of those who believe and exhort one another to perseverance and exhort one another to pity.
Marry: Slaves and Maid Servants; Emancipation, Qur'an 24:27-34 Surah An-Nur (Light): Tell the believing men... And tell the believing women... And marry such of you as are solitary and the pious of your slaves and maid servants. If they be poor; Allah will enrich them of His bounty. Allah is of ample means, Aware. And let those who cannot find a match keep chaste till Allah give them independence by His grace. And such of your slaves as seek a writing of emancipation, write it for them if ye are aware of aught of good in them, and bestow upon them of the wealth of Allah which He hath bestowed upon you. Force not your slave girls to whoredom that ye may seek enjoyment of the life of the world, if they would preserve their chastity. And if one force them, then (unto them), after their compulsion, Lo! Allah will be Forgiving, Merciful...
Free Slaves, Qur'an 2:177 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow): It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces to the East and the West; but righteous is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Scripture and the Prophets; and giveth his wealth, for love of Him, to kinsfolk and to orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask, and to set slaves free; and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor due. And those who keep their treaty when they make one, and the patient in tribulation and adversity and time of stress. Such are they who are sincere. Such are the God fearing.
Prefer Marriage to a Believing Slave, Qur'an 2:221 Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow): Wed not idolatresses till they believe; for lo! a believing bondwoman is better than an idolatress though she please you; and give not your daughters in marriage to idolaters till they believe, for lo! a believing slave is better than an idolater though he please you. These invite unto the Fire, and Allah inviteth unto the Garden, and unto forgiveness by His grace, and expoundeth thus His revelations to mankind that haply they may remember.
Expiation of Breaking Sworn Oath, Qur'an 5:89 Surah Al Ma'idah (The Table Spread): Allah will not take you to task for that which is unintentional in your oaths, but He will take you to task for the oaths which ye swear in earnest. The expiation thereof is the feeding of ten of the needy with the average of that wherewith ye feed your own folk, or the clothing of them, or the liberation of a slave, and for him who findeth not (the wherewithal to do so) then a three day fast. This is the expiation of your oaths when ye have sworn; and keep your oaths...
Set Free a Believing Slave, Qur'an 4:92 Surah An-Nisa (Women): It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless it be by mistake. He who hath killed a believer by mistake must set free a believing slave, and pay the blood money to the family of the slain, unless they remit it as a charity. If he (the victim) be of a people hostile unto you, and he is a believer, then (the penance is) to set free a believing slave. And if he cometh of a folk between whom and you there is a covenant, then the blood money must be paid unto his folk and (also) a believing slave must be set free. And whoso hath not the wherewithal must fast two consecutive months. A penance from Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise.
Free a Slave, Qur'an 58:3-4 Surah Al-Mujadilah (She That Disputeth): Those who put away their wives by saying they are as their mothers and afterward would go back on that which they have said; the penalty in that case is the freeing of a slave before they touch one another. Unto this ye are exhorted; and Allah is informed of what ye do. And he who findeth not the wherewithal, let him fast for two successive months before they touch one another; and for him who is unable to do so the penance is the feeding of sixty needy ones. This, that ye may put trust in Allah and His messenger. Such are the limits imposed by Allah; and for disbelievers is a painful doom.
As you can see, there are loads of incentives of freeing slaves. The idea behind this was that instead of putting forth an ultimatum which most people wouldn't follow anyway, incentives were given. Think about it. Knowing typical economics (read freakonomics :D ), given that people are following these incentives...over time slaves will eventually be freed.
So the issue of sex slaves should have been nipped in the bud centuries ago. If its being practiced today, its only because many muslim men are total pervs.