Poor Kashmiris have suffered for over five decades for no fault of theirs. Pakistan can never be militarily strong enough to snatch Indian occupied Kashmir . India would never dare do the same for obvious reasons (Pakistan possesses nuclear bomb). So the best option is a compromise and reunification since it’s a win-win situation for both countries. Compare this scenario with the re-unification of East and West Germany which truly ended the cold war in Europe. Why shouldn’t we end this cold war over Kashmir and re-unite? This will also do a favour to Indian muslims too who always suffer because of the creation of Pakistan (Indian muslims are always suspected to be pro-pakistani).
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Yeah, you're not a memon that I like.
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East and West germany were artificial borders created by vindictive allies not boundries drawn by democratic elections .......No comparison
by making pakistan a part of india you are condeming the whole of pakistan to a occupied territory status.
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I know that my idea of re-unification of India & Pakistan will seem outrightly ridiculous and utterly unpalatable to most Pakistanis including you. Unfortuantely most of the people get conditioned to think and believe in a particular way. This kind of tunnel vision prevents them to see beyond a point. They fail to see the advantages lying ahead.
Since you have used the word MEMON in your reply, so I want to inform you that just before partition, Calcutta happened to be the financial and commercial capital of undivided India. This city was completely dominated by enterprising memon business houses. Enterprising memon businessmen were first time in a position to challenge the suprimacy of Marwaris (A powerful business community who constitutes under 2% of Indian population but controls a whopping 35% of Indian economy). But alas, the partition brought an abrupt end to the awesome and flourishing golden period of memon business houses in India. They lost an opportunity to grow further in a vast country. Half of the memon population got displaced and moved to Pakistan. Several memon families got separated for ever(my grandmother could never see her mother, brother & sister and died with her wish unfulfilled). My dear “Pya…”, wouldn’t you like Indian and Pakistani memons to get re-united?
I had satrted this thread to talk about the hardships being suffered by Kashmiris and have ended up talking about memons. I am so sorry.
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So why don’t you say that all you care about is your business empire (and $$$ like a true ghaffar bhai 
) than using kashmiris as scapegoats!
And let me put this East-West germany deal to rest ONCE AND FOR ALL!
Did you know that east and west were one germany and it was allied politics of the Cold War (after “defeat” of Germany in WWII) that divided the occupation zones into american, french, british (3 zones joined to form W. Germany) while E. Germany was Soviet bloc.
I don’t see such situation in India / Pakistan scenario (maybe in Kashmir situation but then india - pakistan wouldn’t allow it???).
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I am neither a rich businessman nor a person hungry for money. I am just a poor executive with a modest living and just proud of what I am. But certainly, I take pride of my fellow memons for their achievements. I am equally sad about the plight of poor Kashmiris, stragled between two power hungry political blocks. Another solution which seems to be practical in my mind is that both India and Pakistan should jointly administer the whole of Kashmir. This will unite Kashmiris from both sides. I know the pain of separated Kashmiris and I whish this problem get solved during this generation. The present generation shouldn’t repeat the mistake of past generation. Let us think in an innovative way and find an enterprising solution. Every human being is a powerful problem solving creature. Let’s prove to the rest of the world that people in the Indian subcontinent can solve their problem on their own and try to regain the past glory of MOGHAL period when the Indian subcontinent happened to be the richest place on earth.
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huh, sal35... no its not a good idea. I love Pakistan, PAKISTAN THAT IS.
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What great mogul empire? The one that tried to forge an indian identity by giving up islam and reverting to paganism?
we need to go back to the times of the Pious Caliphs they should our role model
The mogul kings might have been the richest person on earth and there hindu ministers and the Rajput princes with whom they had matrimonial alliances but what about the common muslim and hindu peasants? they were no better off than the european serfs.
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The biggest flaw with Mughals was they were too involved in merrymaking (killing each other, thus producing incapable leaders is another story…) but that they didn’t invest in science and industry so when brits and others eventually came, they had no way to defend themselves with!
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yes the whole mansubdari system was flawed and they didnt do anything about field artillery for almost 200yrs!
Cavalry was the supreme weapon for the moguls just like the days of taimur
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No...i don't think it wud be a good idea...it's probably better to keep hindus and muslims seperate...both India and Pakistan r proud cultures...it's sad Kashmir always has to suffer...let's hope for the best.
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There is one quotation which covers why this would not be workable at all.
We are a nation with our own distinctive culture and civilization, language and literature, art and architecture, names and nomenclature, sense of values and proportion, legal laws and moral code, customs and calendar, history and tradition, aptitudes and ambitions; in short, we have our own distinctive outlook on life and of life. By all canons of international law, we are a nation
1.We are a nation with our own distinctive culture and civilization
Pakistan is a unique fusion of native Indian, and Persian/Turkish/Mongol/Arabian civilisations. It shares a connection to non-Indian cultures that would lead to too much social tension. This kind of tension does not exist in India between Muslims and Hindus because there are no large concentrations of dozens of millions Muslims in India anymore.
Language and literature, art and architecture
Language and arts is a key part of identity. Studying predominantly urdu literature and muslim arts in Muslim areas (ie Pakistan) will create a sense of distinctiveness from hindu majority areas, and would serve as a springboard for communalism. Studying less urdu literature and muslim arts will be considered surpression of muslim identity and serve as a springboard for communalism.Sense of values and proportion, legal laws and moral code, customs and calendar
Already, we can see in India growing calls to curb the rights of Muslims to live their lives by Islamic mores, through forcing a single set of laws for everyone. Again, if large muslim regions are present in such a country, this would be the root for communal strife.history and tradition
India's heroes, like Prithvi, are villains to Pakistanis. Likewise, Ghauri was to Pakistanis a great Ghazi and Mujahid who relentlessly waged jihad, but is villanous to hindu Indians. Teaching a single version of history in a unified country would be nigh-on impossible because one man's villain is another's hero.aptitudes and ambitions; in short, we have our own distinctive outlook on life and of life
Which would all be threatened through living amongst a different majority. You can see this occuring already.
In short, incorporating large Muslim majority regions into Hindu-rules India would be a recipe for disaster. Today, Muslims in India are a minority whereever they live, which helps reduce the risk for communalism, because few people feel threatened by them. If you start having entire Muslim populated regions, small things could spark very quickly into big disasters.
Hindu atrocities on Muslims in Hindu-majority provinces would be likely to be returned in kind in Muslim dominated areas, leading to an escalating cycle of violence.
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We Pakistanis have NO unique culture.
We are glued to Indian Movies and indian culture, and are VERY dependant on Indian Culture.
Uniting India and Pakistan would have no effect on Pakistan. Pakistan is nothing but a whimpy country who tries to show it is better than india, internally it is **NO DIFFERENT **than india!
I just came back from there I know.
I never thought I would have to say that about Pakistan ever.
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I left Pakistan 8 days ago. When did you get back from there?
Culture is about more than films.
Culture is:
- The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought.
- The predominating attitudes and behavior that characterize the functioning of a group or organization.
- Intellectual and artistic activity and the works produced by it.
You described point 3 alone.
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Three words...
"Aint gonna happen"
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but u know what i meant.
I’m not for pakistan india assimilation.
We Have those things you mentioned. We just don’t have the effort and devotion to keep it apparent in every pakistani. It seems to be fading!
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making India and Pakistan into one place not practical . Beccause they are 2 countries and too much fighting.
But above information is wrong. Becase many places in India have millions of Muslims. Last semester in one study paper my team was Asia->India and so we found statisticcs: (I will cut’n’paste)
State Total Muslim% Number
India 1028610328 12.11% 124,564,711
Uttar Pradesh 166197921 17.33% 28,802,100
Maharashtra 96878627 9.67% 9,368,163
Bihar 82998509 14.81% 12,292,079
West Bengal 80176197 23.61% 18,929,600
Andhra Pradesh 76210007 8.91% 6,790,312
Tamil Nadu 62405679 5.47% 3,413,591
Madhya Pradesh 60348023 4.96% 2,993,262
Rajasthan 56507188 8.01% 4,526,226
Karnataka 52850562 11.64% 6,151,805
Gujarat 50671017 8.73% 4,423,580
Orissa 36804660 1.83% 673,525
Kerala 31841374 23.33% 7,428,593
Assam 26655528 28.43% 7,578,167
Punjab 24358999 1.18% 287,436
Haryana 21144564 4.64% 981,108
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What nonsense! India has kept Kashmiris under subjugation for more than five decades. Pakistan has been voicing it’s desire to solve the dispute. Here comes a genius, luring people with Memon history in India, with the most wonderful solution of all: Pakistan should also accept Indian subjugation. Problem solved.
The resolution of Kashmir issue would take bold steps from both parties. If India continues to delay the settlement of the dispute by raising false alarms about millitancy, and by trying to embroil Pakistan in CBMs, then it’s not going away any time soon. It’s in the interest of both countries to solve the dispute and let people of Kashmir determine their own fate. It can’t be done by repeating the election drama in Kashmir again and again. Recognize the fact that there’s a problem, and sit down with both Pakistan and Kashmiri representatives to solve the problem.
So far unification of India and Pakistan is concerned … Dream on! There may be more Muslims in India. They may be prosperous or they may impoverished. Pakistan is a sovereign country. If Indian Muslims act against Pakistani interests, they’re not friends of Pakistan. So, all these emotional appeals of ‘we have more Muslims’ wouldn’t solve the dispute.
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In spite of the gloomy picture painted by you against my reunification idea, I am a hardcore optimist and always try to see things in a positive perspective. I can give you a beautiful example of CANADA which is a host to several hundred cultures across the globe. Despite having diverse cultural and religious backgrounds people in this country live in perfect harmony and are permitted to retain their identity. Two major groups English and French, just like Hindus and Muslims had tensions between them. Despite English being in majority and French being in minority, the French province gets maximum federal fund. Canadian politicians are always scared of discrimination charges from french people and try hard to keep them happy by things like maximum funding and so on.
Then, there is another extreme like Northern Ireland where despite having same culture and same language and same custom, a protestent child cannot imagine to walk on a catholic street to go to his or her school and an innocent catholic kid cannot think of passing via a protestant street.
The 82% of Indian population is Hindu but today the President of India happens to be a muslim, the richest man of India is a muslim and the prime minister of India is a sikh. At least two Indian provinces with total Hindu majority, had muslim chief ministers. I have several such examples to cite. The fear of muslims getting suppressed under Hindu majority, is completely unfounded. Hindu society has a major weekness because of their caste system and this inherent cultural defect cannot make them too strong against muslims. It’s really amazing for me to think that the followers of a religion like Islam feel threatened by culturally and religiously primitive Hindus. This is something like saying a Lion being threated by a herd of cattles.
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english and french share the same religion.so do the protestants and catholics their disputes are like shia-sunni conflicts not muslim-hindu
The strenght of the muslims come from practicising Islam properly(not due to any inherent superiority) which will be impossible under a overwhelming hindu majority