It’s a custom for some people to say “God Bless You” after they sneeze, is it Haraam for Muslims to say this to non-Muslims, after all who’s God is blessing who?
Is it wrong to send a prayer out to humanity? Think about it.
i don't think so. But then again, I'm no self-proclaimed scholar.
I know that it's strongly forbidden to pray for the forgiveness of pagans(precisely the ones who reject Allah, and die in that state), don't think there's anything wrong with greeting, or wishing others well :)
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I know that it's strongly forbidden to pray for the forgiveness of pagans(precisely the ones who reject Allah, and die in that state), don't think there's anything wrong with greeting, or wishing others well :)
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Why would it be wrong to pray for the forgiveness of others regardless of faith? Do they not have a right to a safe after life?
Reject is harsh and active term though, what about the ones who are indifferent to Allah?
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Why would it be wrong to pray for the forgiveness of others regardless of faith? Do they not have a right to a safe after life?
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Coco, this is what's mentioned in Quran, that the ones who reject Him, there abode is hell, in the life after death. I will quote the verse for you from Quran, as I don’t have access to it at the moment.
UTD, there’s clear mentioning of Sabiaans(Christians), and the Jews, who do not associate any partners with Allah, or their lord, neither they consider Isa or Uzair to be the sons of Allah; that they are amongst the true believers. I need to do further research, to give you more detail.
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*Originally posted by outlaw: *
Coco, this is what's mentioned in Quran, that the ones who reject Him, there abode is hell, in the life after death. I will quote the verse for you from Quran, as I don’t have access to it at the moment.
UTD, there’s clear mentioning of Sabiaans(Christians), and the Jews, who do not associate any partners with Allah, or their lord, neither they consider Isa or Uzair to be the sons of Allah; that they are amongst the true believers. I need to do further research, to give you more detail.
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i dont think god have to balckmail humans to make them loyal
to him . do we have to reduce god to human level ?
underthedome, I don't think there is a problem because God bless you is pretty much the same as AsalamOAlakum, the Muslim greeting of peace, which in essence is a prayer for peace for the fellow human being. Now there are Muslims who think that saying AsalamOAlakum to a non-Muslim is not allowed and so should be prayers or greeting of other kind but from my research its contrary to the practice of Islam as Holy Prophet was greeted by non-Muslims and he too greeted them back.
Outy bhai is probably referring to the verse in Quran (of Surah Taubah, verse 113) that forbids anyone to ask for forgiveness for those who they are sure to have died musrik or idolater. (1) It's about people who have died, not those who are alive. (2) From the traditions it is evident that the Holy Prophet, peace be upon him, used to go to the graves of his staunch opponents who have rejected him & fought against him (in other words rejecting God Almighty) to beg on their behalf for forgiveness. Also among Muslims there was a tradition of saying Janaza (funeral prayers) for their Non-Muslim kins, which is prohibited in this verse. Though paying respect when a non-Muslim friend has died or praying for them when they are alive is actually encouraged.
But then again I am only a gupshup Maulvi with not credentials.
i dont think god have to balckmail humans to make them loyal
to him . do we have to reduce god to human level ? <<
I don't think it's a matter of god trying to blackmail or something, and of course, each individual will be judged by Him and Him alone, on the basis of that person's deeds. It's not up to us to decide where and what kind of fate one person would end up with, however, Allah has clearly ascribed grevious penalty to those who reject Him, and associate partners to Him. We are only forbidden to pray for the forgiveness of the ones who rejected Allah and died in that state
I will post translation of the verses and related commentary.
Outy bhai is probably referring to the verse in Quran (of Surah Taubah, verse 113) that forbids anyone to ask for forgiveness for those who they are sure to have died musrik or idolater. (1) It's about people who have died, not those who are alive. (2) From the traditions it is evident that the Holy Prophet, peace be upon him, used to go to the graves of his staunch opponents who have rejected him & fought against him (in other words rejecting God Almighty) to beg on their behalf for forgiveness. Also among Muslims there was a tradition of saying Janaza (funeral prayers) for their Non-Muslim kins, which is prohibited in this verse. Though paying respect when a non-Muslim friend has died or praying for them when they are alive is actually encouraged <<
that's right, it's quite clear that the verse and its meaning are directed towards the ones who died as pagans. But, then again, Allah is the most merciful, and if He willeth, He has the absolute authority to forgive anyone, and not a single good deed by anyone, amounting even to a particle of dust will ever go in vain :)
if a non-muslim says 'Gob Bless You' to a muslim.... is it haram?
before religion and culture... theres something called humanity
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i dont think god have to balckmail humans to make them loyal
to him . do we have to reduce god to human level ? <<
I don't think it's a matter of god trying to blackmail or something, and of course, each individual will be judged by Him and Him alone, on the basis of that person's deeds. It's not up to us to decide where and what kind of fate one person would end up with, however, Allah has clearly ascribed grevious penalty to those who reject Him, and associate partners to Him. We are only forbidden to pray for the forgiveness of the ones who rejected Allah and died in that state
I will post translation of the verses and related commentary.
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Cruel men believe in a cruel God and use their belief to excuse their cruelty.Only kindly men believe in a kindly God, and they would be kindly in any case. -BertrandRussell
If Allah Has said some thing in Quran, and you are not sure about it, its always better to read the *Tafseer * as well and not contain your views only to the direct translation.
In Humanitarian terms, if you cant simply say some blessings to a person who has done some good deeds to you by thinking that your religion dosent allow that,
then
my question is why you even contacted the person of other religion??
Re: Is it Haraam to say “God Bless You” to non-Muslims?
ha ha ha ha..am I the only one who finds this line hilarious?
Here's how it's mentioned in Quran:
Surah Tawbah
*[9:113] It is not fitting for the Prophet(PBUH) and those who believe, that they should pray for forgiveness for pagans, even though they be of kin, after it is clear to them that they are companions of the fire *
and the verse that follows soon after carries on the same message
[9:114]
And Abraham prayed for his father's forgiveness only because of a promise he had made to him. But when it became clear to him that he was an enemy to Allah, he dissociated himself from him: For Abraham was most tender hearted, for bearing
The tafseer or narration is as follow:
[9:113]
This is usually understood to refer to the prayer for dead
1) if they died unprepentant after Islam was preached to them
2) if they actively resisted or opposed the faith to the last, and
3) if the person praying knows that on account of deliberate contumacy the deceased may be said to have had the doors of mercy closed to him. How is he to know? The knowledge must come from special commands as declared by the Holy Prophet(PBUH) in his lifetime regarding individuals. Where no light is available from this source we must follow the best judgement we can
[9:114]
Abraham and his unbelieving father are referred to in [6:74]. Apparently, when Abraham was convinced that the conditions mentioned in the last not applied to his father, he gave up praying for him, as the physical bond was cut off by the spiritual hostility. For the promise to pray for his father, see 19:47(see also n.5413 to 60:4)
Abraham was loyal and tender-hearted and bore with much that he disapproved, being in this a prototype for Al Mustafa(PBUH), and it must have gone against the grain to cut off relations in that way. But, it would obviously be wrong for a human to entreat Allah for mercy on people who had finally rejected Allah.
Rest, Allah knows best, and may He guides all of us to the path that is straight :)
It may seem odd, because we are trained to think in a different way. Believers are those who accept what is given to them by the Prophet :saw: . (No comments from non-Muslims..Please)
WHEN A NON-MUSLIM SAYS SALAAM U ALAIKUM(GREETS YOU) HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO RESPOND?
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
Muslim reported in his Saheeh (14/144) from Anas ibn Maalik that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When the People of the Book say salaam to you (greet you by saying al-salaamu alaykum), say ‘Wa ‘alaykum’ (and unto you).’” According to another report, he was asked, “The People of the Book say salaam to us. How should we respond?” He said, “Say, ‘Wa ‘alaykum.’” According to another report (14/164), he said, “When the Jews greet you, they say ‘al-saam ‘alaykum (death be upon you). So say ‘ ‘alayk (upon you).’” According to another report he said, “So say, ‘wa ‘alayk’ (and upon you).” According to another report (14/146) a group of Jews asked for permission to enter upon the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and they said, “Al-saam ‘alaykum (death be upon you).” ‘Aa’ishah said, “Bal ‘alaykum al-saam wa’l-la’nah (No, death be upon you and curses)!” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “O ‘Aa’ishah, Allaah loves gentleness in all things.” She said, “Did you not hear what they said?” He said, “I answered, ‘Wa ‘alaykum (and unto you).’” According to another report, he said, “I answered, ‘ ‘alaykum’” – without the “waw” (i.e., wa meaning “and”). According to the last hadeeth (14/148), he said, “Do not initiate the greeting of salaam with the Jews and Christians, and if you meet one of them on the road, push him to the narrowest part of it.”
All of these reports were narrated in the Saheeh of Imaam Muslim.
Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his commentary (14/144-145):
The scholars agree that the greeting of the People of the Book should be returned, if they greet us with salaam, but we should not say to them, “Wa ‘alaykum al-salaam (and upon you be peace).” We should say only “ ‘alaykum (upon you)” or “wa ‘alaykum (and upon you).” Ahaadeeth have been narrated by Muslim both with and without the “wa” (“And”), but most of them include it. On this basis, there are two meanings, one of which is the apparent meaning: if they say “ ‘Alaykum al-mawt (death be upon you)”, then one should say, “Wa ‘alaykum (and also on you)” – meaning that we and you are alike, we are all going to die. The second meaning is that this is a waw that is used to start a new idea or phrase, not to connect it to the previous sentence or to reiterate the same idea. This implies: and upon you be what you deserve of condemnation. The phrase without the wa implies: but rather death should be upon you. Al-Qaadi said: some of the scholars, including Ibn Habeeb al-Maaliki, preferred to use the phrase without the wa, so that it would not have the implication that these people are like the Muslims. Others said that it should be used with the wa as it appears in the majority of reports. Some of them said: he should reply “ ‘alaykum al-silaam (and upon you be stones) – but this is da’eef (weak). Al-Khattaabi said: most of the muhadditheen (scholars of hadeeth) reported it with the wa (wa ‘alaykum), but Ibn ‘Uyaynah reported it without the waw. Al-Khattaabi said: this is what is correct, because if the phrase is used without the waw, this means that what they are saying is returned specifically and exclusively to them, but if the waw is used, it implies commonality with them in what they are saying. This is the view of al-Khattaabi. But the correct view is that it is permissible either to use the waw or omit it, as both have been mentioned in saheeh reports, but including the waw is better, as it appears in most of the reports. There is nothing wrong with that, because al-saam means death, which will come to us and to them, so there is no harm in including the waw. The scholars differed as to returning the greeting of salaam when a kaafir initiates it or initiating the greeting. Our opinion is that it is haraam to initiate the greeting, but we have to return their greeting by saying “Wa ‘alaykum” or just “ ‘alaykum.” Our evidence with regard to initiating the greeting is the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), “Do not initiate the greeting with the Jews and Christians” and his command to reply by saying, “Wa ‘alaykum.” What we have mentioned as our madhhab or point of view is also the opinion of most of the scholars and the majority of the salaf… It is permissible to initiate the greeting when addressed to a group composed of both Muslims and kaafirs, or one Muslim and a number of kaafirs, but he should intend the greeting to be directed towards the Muslim(s) among them, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) greeted an assembly that included a mixture of Muslims and mushrikeen.
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According to a hadeeth narrated by Imaam Muslim in his Saheeh from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him), the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not initiate the greeting of salaam with the Jews and Christians, and if you meet one of them on the road then let him go to the narrowest part of it.” (Muslim, al-Salaam, 2167). Doesn’t doing this put people off entering Islam?
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
You should note that the best of those who call people to Allaah is the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and that the best of those who guide people to Allaah is the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). If we know that, then we should be skeptical about any interpretation of the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that does not make sense or does not seem to be wise. We should realize that our understanding of the Prophet’s words may be wrong. That does not mean that we should judge the ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) on the basis of our personal reasoning, because our reasoning and understanding may be lacking. But there are general guidelines in sharee’ah to which we may refer with regard to individual matters.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not initiate the greeting of salaam with the Jews and Christians, and if you meet one of them on the road then let him go to the narrowest part of it.” What this means is: do not give way to them if you meet them, so that the way is open for them and you cause restriction to yourself. Rather, continue on your way and leave the narrow gap – if there is a narrow gap – for them. It is known that the teaching of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), when he saw a kaafir, was not to go and crowd him out of the way so that he would end up against the wall. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do this to the Jews of Madeenah and his Companions did not do that after their conquests of other regions.
What it means is that just as you do not initiate the greeting of salaam, you should not make room for them. If they meet a group of you, do not split up to let them pass, rather continue on your way and leave them the narrow space if there is a narrow part of the road. This hadeeth is not meant to put people off Islam, rather it is a manifestation of the Muslim’s pride and a sign that he does not humiliate himself for anyone except his Lord.
Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthyameen, part 3, p. 38 (www.islam-qa.com)
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Cruel men believe in a cruel God and use their belief to excuse their cruelty.Only kindly men believe in a kindly God, and they would be kindly in any case. -BertrandRussell
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Ah, beautiful beautiful! Ol Bertie could have added something about 'dimwitted men believing in a...'?
I do not see no body talking now after islamabad’s post ? what happend to all of you, who were talking so bad out of their mouth ? For all those who come in this forum religion and (i dont have to mention names here ) try to argue without any knowldge of islam whats so ever, I just have to say one thing to them, "Do not try that shoe that is not made for you, you might find your self stuck in it ".
I see so many people coming here on religion forum and just go on without even knowing what they are talking about… They would have no clue what so ever about what is talked about but they sure do wana share there 2 cents and make an ass out of their selves. People its a free place to express what ever you want but have some knowldge of the religion that is talked about before you speak. It will not only help you understand it, also you will have the oppurtunity to walk out of discussion with some respect rather than a fool.
-Salman
:rotato: ** islamabad bahi mujhaye yea room itta chup chup sa lag raha haye jaisaye pata nahi koun marr gaya ho**. JazakAllah may Allah s.w.t reward you with all of his blessings for taking out time and quoting from ahadieth and quran.
-Salman