Absolutely Ridiculous Islamabad.
In Holy Quran, Surah Al-Nisa verse 87:
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And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet ye with a better greeting or at least return it. Surely ALLAH takes account of all things
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May ALLAH (GOD) bless all of us. :)
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*Originally posted by outlaw: *
Here's how it's mentioned in Quran:
Surah Tawbah
*[9:113] It is not fitting for the Prophet(PBUH) and those who believe, that they should pray for forgiveness for pagans, even though they be of kin, after it is clear to them that they are companions of the fire *
and the verse that follows soon after carries on the same message
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And Abraham prayed for his father's forgiveness only because of a promise he had made to him. But when it became clear to him that he was an enemy to Allah, he dissociated himself from him: For Abraham was most tender hearted, for bearing
The tafseer or narration is as follow:
[9:113]
This is usually understood to refer to the prayer for dead
1) if they died unprepentant after Islam was preached to them
2) if they actively resisted or opposed the faith to the last, and
3) if the person praying knows that on account of deliberate contumacy the deceased may be said to have had the doors of mercy closed to him. How is he to know? The knowledge must come from special commands as declared by the Holy Prophet(PBUH) in his lifetime regarding individuals. Where no light is available from this source we must follow the best judgement we can
[9:114]
Abraham and his unbelieving father are referred to in [6:74]. Apparently, when Abraham was convinced that the conditions mentioned in the last not applied to his father, he gave up praying for him, as the physical bond was cut off by the spiritual hostility. For the promise to pray for his father, see 19:47(see also n.5413 to 60:4)
Abraham was loyal and tender-hearted and bore with much that he disapproved, being in this a prototype for Al Mustafa(PBUH), and it must have gone against the grain to cut off relations in that way. But, it would obviously be wrong for a human to entreat Allah for mercy on people who had finally rejected Allah.
Rest, Allah knows best, and may He guides all of us to the path that is straight :)
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Thank you for informative and well written and thoughful post.
By your post I grasp that its acceptable to Bless one for sneezing...sinse one does not sneeze after death :) though probobly not the custom.
Also am of the impression that praying/blessing living individuals permisable, as one probobly wouldn't know if that individual was introduced to God, or might accept God in the future, and possibly acceptible to pray that lost individual might come to accept Allah.
And SalamNY...your right about those posting without knowledge of Islam. I am surely guilty of that, and often blabbler blubber, but I find that often I am enlightend by the replies to stupid comments made and am heartend by the similarity of values taught and cherished by the variety of people that post in the forum.
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And SalamNY...your right about those posting without knowledge of Islam. I am surely guilty of that, and often blabbler blubber, but I find that often I am enlightend by the replies to stupid comments made and am heartend by the similarity of values taught and cherished by the variety of people that post in the forum.
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Honestly, i knew very lil about islam and its true meanings. But when i saw so many things to be questioned by so many people i just started to look up here and there and just like you got my questions answered. May Allah s.w.t keep you in his ammaan
-Salman
How does one get the validity to explain what is meant? A process of some sort?
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*Originally posted by underthedome: *
How does one get the validity to explain what is meant? A process of some sort?
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underthedome,
I think a very astute question.
Even if one one studies religious belief systems, ancient languages, ancient texts, philosophy, and is considered an expert interpretor of religious text, a scholar, and priest/imam/rabi of ones school of religion, how do they know what they percieve is what God wants them to percieve and teach others?
Would God allow incorrect knowledge and religious worship of him to thrive?
I think that God comes to to those who want and need God. And I think God answers those in need no matter what creed is followed or not followed.
Because God created all of us and granted us reasonable intellect and choice and the instinctive knowlege of right and wrong.
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I think that God comes to to those who want and need God. And I think God answers those in need no matter what creed is followed or not followed.
Because God created all of us and granted us reasonable intellect and choice and the instinctive knowlege of right and wrong.
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Beautifully said, indeed there is a surah stating if you take one step towards Allah s.w.t he will take 10 steps towards you..
-Salman
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*Originally posted by SalmanNY: *
Beautifully said, indeed there is a surah stating if you take one step towards Allah s.w.t he will take 10 steps towards you..
-Salman
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AAG is carefully tip-toeing.
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*Originally posted by outlaw: *
Here's how it's mentioned in Quran:
Surah Tawbah
*[9:113] It is not fitting for the Prophet(PBUH) and those who believe, that they should pray for forgiveness for pagans, even though they be of kin, after it is clear to them that they are companions of the fire *
and the verse that follows soon after carries on the same message
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outlaw, "blessing" is different from "forgiveness", don't you think so? Allah swt's guidance towards right path is also a blessing, ain't it? As far as I remember, these verses where Allah swt told Prophet PBUH to stop praying for disbelievers applies to dead ones, those who are surely not going to change/believe in Allah swt. It does not apply to "alive" disbelievers, as you never know who says kalima before death?
I don't see any problem saying "Bless you" to anyone.
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
outlaw, "blessing" is different from "forgiveness", don't you think so? Allah swt's guidance towards right path is also a blessing, ain't it? As far as I remember, these verses where Allah swt told Prophet PBUH to stop praying for disbelievers applies to dead ones, those who are surely not going to change/believe in Allah swt. It does not apply to "alive" disbelievers, as you never know who says kalima before death?
I don't see any problem saying "Bless you" to anyone.
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Changez,
You seem to be tip-toeing like me.
Let me ask?
Unless you are deemed fit to cast judgement on another why elemnate them from your prayers?
Don't confuse blessing or forgiveness.
Either you wish blessings on others or you don't.
Simple.
Either you forgive those that have wronged you or you don't.
Simple.
But its not up to you or me to decide whom Allah blesses or forgives is it?
It's not up to anyone but Allah.
AAG, my point is when one is alive nobody should have a problem on "God bless you", but when one is "dead" as a disbeliever for sure, than we are told not to pray for their forgiveness but that does not really mean that God will not forgive them, it is upto Him but He has told us to not ask for their forgiveness. A disbeliever would be one who did not believe in God, don't you think so?
As I said, blessings and forgiveness are different, I don't confuse them. Many a times things are not clear ilke "either you do or don't", you only have to be Bush to say "either you are with us or against".
We can forgive anyone for our part, but we can't forgive anyone on God's behalf, can we?
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
AAG, my point is when one is alive nobody should have a problem on "God bless you", but when one is "dead" as a disbeliever for sure, than we are told not to pray for their forgiveness but that does not really mean that God will not forgive them, it is upto Him but He has told us to not ask for their forgiveness. A disbeliever would be one who did not believe in God, don't you think so?
As I said, blessings and forgiveness are different, I don't confuse them. Many a times things are not clear ilke "either you do or don't", you only have to be Bush to say "either you are with us or against".
We can forgive anyone for our part, but we can't forgive anyone on God's behalf, can we?
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I'm with you Changez-like.
And if you can, forgive me for using the word "either."
The only argument I have is with..."when one is dead" as a disbeliever fore sure.....
Because I think that decision is Gods.
The best prayer a Muslim can say for a non-Muslim on any occasion is:
"May Allah (swt) guide you"
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*Originally posted by Ibn Sadique: *
The best prayer a Muslim can say for a non-Muslim on any occasion is:
"May Allah (swt) guide you"
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Which in my thinking is a blessing and good in heart.
The best prayer a non-muslim can say for a muslim is the same one.
May God always hold you in the palm of his hands.
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The only argument I have is with..."when one is dead" as a disbeliever fore sure.....
Because I think that decision is Gods.
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The decision of "forgiving" always belongs to God. Regarding "disbeliever", everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, if you don't believe me as "believer" you don't pray for me, but that doesn't mean that I can't be forgiven.
Pray for forgiveness for those who you believe are believers.
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
The decision of "forgiving" always belongs to God. Regarding "disbeliever", everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, if you don't believe me as "believer" you don't pray for me, but that doesn't mean that I can't be forgiven.
Pray for forgiveness for those who you believe are believers.
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Your right.
And wise in my thinking Changez_like.
And in my thinking, a song comes to mind....
Somewhere out there..Someones saying a prayer.....
And even though I know
How very far apart we are
It helps to think we might be wishing
On the same bright star
(As in God's.)
And when the night wind
Starts to sing a lonesome lullaby
It helps to think we're sleeping
Underneath the same big sky
We can pray for each other..
Somewhere out there, where dreams come true.