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But canadian. your degree means nothing in diwana-world where only diwana is the expert biologist nutritionist lawyer and gynoecologist. :(
Women let him near their vaginas?!
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could even be water weight.
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Stand by each and every word I wrote earlier. 
Don’t know why so much fuss. 
All I said that normal people should not take metabolism as an excuse for not being able to lose weight.
Essentially it is simple mathematics when it comes to weigh issue.
Calorie consumed - Calorie lost = Weight gain.
Calorie lost - Calorie gain = Weight loss.
Some issues like metabolism are over blown to an extent that overweight individuals find it as an excuse not to be able to lose weight and in fact much simpler issue is over eating plus being lazy.
Only when one can prove in few ocassions despite doing all things right one cannot lose weight, then some medical conditions or what exactly is the source of calories such as consumption of growth hormone fed animal meat- need to be looked at (or even in beginning so one does not get frustrated during weight loos trial)
Also, one can lose weight fairly quickly in the beginning and then the loss hits plateau because of person either getting lesser weight and more activity is required for the person to lose same amount of calories or person start getting relaxed or tired of strict diet regimen.
As for maintaing the weight, AFTER achieving desired loss by being strict on diet, all one has to do is keep the ‘balance’ in calorie gain and loss so no need to be so strict.
Analogy here is like aeroplane or Rocket lift off.
One needs higher power to get a lift but later simple thrust to keep plane or rocket on path.
Read the bold part in my post, I said “Willingness to stick with A rule!”
So what was wrong there in my post? Hain? 
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What is wrong in your post is 1. you are disregarding that metabolism has anything to do with wt loss and gain and 2. you make it sound like its as simple as in and out. This would encourage people to eat a very low cal diet which is not healthy and will lead to many deficiencies.
Bottom line is the recommended wt loss is 1-2lbs a week so the wt lost is not lean muscle mass or water but instead fat.
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So if one looses more than 2 lbs in a week, then it has to be muscle mass or water and cant be fat?
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It's a little complicated to explain but my point is do not go on a low cal diet and try to burn it all off. Eat a well balanced diet and exercise appropriately.
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^ i get that but my question still remains a mystery :D
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Simply put if you are not meeting your energy requirements for the body to function appropriately (because you are burning it all off) than your body goes into starvation mode. Which will make your body store more fat and use less calories to function.
Think about this in starvation mode a person never dies because their body runs out of fat to use as energy they will die because their body breaks down essential protein and muscle structures in the body. So yes, your body will break down muscle and protein.
Also, recommendation are put in place for a reason. They are based on scientific research.
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What is wrong in your post is 1. you are disregarding that metabolism has anything to do with wt loss and gain and 2. you make it sound like its as simple as in and out. This would encourage people to eat a very low cal diet which is not healthy and will lead to many deficiencies.
Bottom line is the recommended wt loss is 1-2lbs a week so the wt lost is not lean muscle mass or water but instead fat.
It's a little complicated to explain but my point is do not go on a low cal diet and try to burn it all off. Eat a well balanced diet and exercise appropriately.
Simply put if you are not meeting your energy requirements for the body to function appropriately (because you are burning it all off) than your body goes into starvation mode. Which will make your body store more fat and use less calories to function.
Think about this in starvation mode a person never dies because their body runs out of fat to use as energy they will die because their body breaks down essential protein and muscle structures in the body. So yes, your body will break down muscle and protein.
Also, recommendation are put in place for a reason. They are based on scientific research.
I do not think you understood what I wrote in simple way. Fine. :)
1- Metabolism is not the major factor for majority people as I said earlier. It is an excuse for a lot of people.
I said it is overblown and did not say it does not play a role in some sick people but not in normal people.
2- I never said anything about metabolism not playing role in weight gain. You are making an assumption there. We are discussing weight loss here.
Not being able to gain weight is a very different issue and you need to go back and read about 'failure to thrive' in your books and its reasons.
We are not talking about that. :)
3- Other comment you made about something like starvation mode and breakdown of muscles.
This means you need to go back and read book again what is the difference in starvation and weight loss.
Read about gluconeogenesis. And its steps.
Simply put, starvation with muscle breakdown is an extreme situation where one has no calorie intake and not much reserve (glycogen in liver, muscles and not much fat cells) to produce glucose enough to compensate for lack of calories.
That happens in situaions where children or elderly get deprived of essential nutrients and calories. Not where overweight/obese/ fat people actively try to lose weight!
I respect your degree and nothng wrong to have misconceptions about INTENTIONAL/CONTROLLED weight loss with UNINTENTIONAL weight loss.
4-** No one dies with fast intentional weight loss**.
No one develops enough lack of reserve by intentional weight loss that one loses muscles, come on.
Yes slow weight loss may be one mathod, but the problem with that there is still high rate of relapse because people get discouraged or even get tired with slow weight loss and quit early when they do not see desired results.
Again, quick weight loss for short time is not so bad in normal people and metabolism does not really play so big role in these normal people practically. It is an excuse for lazy people. I must repeat.
After achieving close to desired goal one can relax with dietary restriction similar to flying on cruise altitude. :)
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Diwana, what do you for a living? Just curious.
Also, I disagree with the generalization that people get discouraged with slow weight loss...and that quick weight loss over a short time is "not so bad" in "normal" people. If you are someone that has been leading a mostly sedentary lifestyle...where your muscles/body is not used to being very active.....pushing yourself too hard too quickly can backfire because it can lead to burn out, injuries, frustration, etc. I think it's far healthier ......especially if you haven't been very active......to start of slowly but consistently....and then build it up and increase the intensity. The problem is that most people think in terms of short time period and long time period.......when they should just make regular exercise and healthy a part of their lifestyle as opposed to something they should only do when they've packed on the pounds.
Also, people may not die from fast intentional weight loss.......but they CAN get pretty sick as. Some people might even get saggy skin from loosing too much too soon. There's a healthy and an unhealthy way of going about things.
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Diwana, what do you for a living? Just curious.
You mean, what do I do for living?
I breathe...............thanks to Allah. :)
Also, I disagree with the generalization that people get discouraged with slow weight loss..
Unfortunately they do. Most people like instant gratification. And also losing weight fast in healthy people is not that dangerous over short time.
It builds confidence in people when they see the good results so quick and motivates them to go further.
.and that quick weight loss over a short time is "not so bad" in "normal" people.
Normal people are defined based on their blood test and body organ function. So even if they go through short term fast weight loss, their bodies can handle it. Obviously each individual is different and needs close monitoring.
If you are someone that has been leading a mostly sedentary lifestyle...where your muscles/body is not used to being very active.....pushing yourself too hard too quickly can backfire because it can lead to burn out, injuries, frustration, etc. I think it's far healthier ......especially if you haven't been very active......to start of slowly but consistently....and then build it up and increase the intensity.
Yes. But different side of the same coin.
Exercise and activity is not the focus of discssion here. I agree that quick and vigorous physical activity is actually detrimental.
This is a separate discussion but I would say yes there are hazards and problems with too much exercise and physical activity to try to lose weight.
In my opinion if someone (normal and otherwise healthy person) wants to lose weight, that person should focus about 80% on calorie intake and especually readily available carbohydrate and 20% on activity. And this activity level has whole different levels.
I know what running/jogging can do to people. Especially if they are obese. It can kill joints and cartillages enough that person eventually may need........... back/ hip/ knee/ankle surgery.
(Read about stress fracture also)
The problem is that most people think in terms of short time period and long time period.......when they should just make regular exercise and healthy a part of their lifestyle as opposed to something they should only do when they've packed on the pounds.
Yes. But this is primary prevention.
We are talking about what to do when people do get over-weight.
Also, people may not die with fast intentional weight loss.......but they CAN get pretty sick as well.
I knew that was coming snce I said something extreme like dying. But trust me. With controlled fast weight loss, people do not get sick. It is a misconception.
Some people might even get saggy skin from loosing too much too soon. There's a healthy and an unhealthy way of going about things.
This cosmetic effect applies even when people lose weight slowly.
The stretched skin will still be lose and wrinkled regardless of big amount of weight lost is fast or slow. :)
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I do not think you understood what I wrote in simple way. Fine. :)
1- Metabolism is not the major factor for majority people as I said earlier. It is an excuse for a lot of people.
I said it is overblown and did not say it does not play a role in some sick people but not in normal people.
2- I never said anything about metabolism not playing role in weight gain. You are making an assumption there. We are discussing weight loss here.
Not being able to gain weight is a very different issue and you need to go back and read about 'failure to thrive' in your books and its reasons.
We are not talking about that. :)
3- Other comment you made about something like starvation mode and breakdown of muscles.
This means you need to go back and read book again what is the difference in starvation and weight loss.
Read about gluconeogenesis. And its steps.
Simply put, starvation with muscle breakdown is an extreme situation where one has no calorie intake and not much reserve (glycogen in liver, muscles and not much fat cells) to produce glucose enough to compensate for lack of calories.
That happens in situaions where children or elderly get deprived of essential nutrients and calories. Not where overweight/obese/ fat people actively try to lose weight!
I respect your degree and nothng wrong to have misconceptions about INTENTIONAL/CONTROLLED weight loss with UNINTENTIONAL weight loss.
4-** No one dies with fast intentional weight loss**.
No one develops enough lack of reserve by intentional weight loss that one loses muscles, come on.
Yes slow weight loss may be one mathod, but the problem with that there is still high rate of relapse because people get discouraged or even get tired with slow weight loss and quit early when they do not see desired results.
Again, quick weight loss for short time is not so bad in normal people and metabolism does not really play so big role in these normal people practically. It is an excuse for lazy people. I must repeat.
After achieving close to desired goal one can relax with dietary restriction similar to flying on cruise altitude. :)
You're wrong an a lot of accounts.
Metabolism is a big factor. You say it depends on calories in vs calories out, agreed. What do you think determines how many calories in/out? You guessed it, metabolism. It's not just an excuse and does affect people, endomorph, ectomorph etc.
As for it's role in diet, bodybuilders, people who put all this theory to practical use and get their body fats down to 5% etc, recommend that you eat every three hours. Little bit at a time, to keep your METABOLISM working. If you go the quick rout and stop eating, your body goes into starvation mode and starts burning muscle or fat, whichever is more plentiful. It also starts holding fat because it thinks there is a shortage of food, which made sense thousands of years ago when food wasn't available at the nearest grocery store.
Quick diets don't work, hence the name, "yo-yo" diets. People lose weight, gain weight etc. Slow, methodical diets work, the only problem is people don't fully clean up their diets and don't do enough cardio. I've heard of women complaining about not losing weight and they eat chocolates etc and consider walking enough of a workout. Go look at how a bodybuilder diets. They're not trying to lose 5 lbs, they're trying to get shredded. I personally know a guy who was kind of chubby in high school and he started bodybuilding, follows the principles of keeping your metabolism going, dieting slow and steady, and he gets absolutely ripped for his contests. These guys diet over a few months to get to their desired weights.
And before you respond, go visit bodybuilding.com and read the articles on nutrition by nutritionists, trainers etc who are world renowned. These people train professional athletes as well. Again, these are people who put this stuff to use and their livelihoods depend on it, I seriously doubt you know better than them. canadiandesigirl is studying this stuff as well and she's just stating what I've read about nutrition and weight lifting.
Now that said, can someone lose weight quickly by just not eating for a week. Sure, you're going to lose some weight for sure. But guess what? Your body is now carb sensitive and as soon as you start eating, up go the pounds.
If you're right, then thousands of athletes and bodybuilders around the world have been doing it wrong for years.
I just saw your response and you seem to be talking about weight loss period. I agree, you can lose weight by not eating, but you will also lose muscle, which is wasting your hard work. And again, the weight will come back quickly as I discussed above. And that is definitely not healthy for your body. So it's possible, but not healthy or sustainable.
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I ignored your earlier post(s)l for a reason.
You talked gibberish and brought something about body building (steroids/anabolic steroids) before and are stuck on that.
My dear we are not talkng about body builders.
Wake up!
The whole discussion is about weight loss and not you favorite topic of weight gain and body building.
And thanks for noticing that my post was about weight loss.
My dear, gaining muscle mass…and weight loss by obese people,… are different issues.
Do not mix them up.
Get over what athelets or body trainers do.
Try not to get confused and worked up on it. Your passion and enthusiasm is duly noted.
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Um obese people and bodybuilders have what in common? Oh yeah, they want to lose weight. Fat loss is fat loss and metabolism plays a role regardless.
Oh and I never mentioned steroids. People actually do lift weights without steroids.
You don't want to actually research the topic and are also arguing with someone (canadiandesigirl) who is actually studying this stuff? Please go ahead. Your ignorance is also duly noted.
And please don't call me dear, I'm a guy and that's just creepy.
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What is your profession Diwana? Besides being the perpetual spewer of wit and intelligence?
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Ok, lets make this simple. Lets come up with a hypothetical person. A female 25 years old, 5'6, 170 lbs so her BMI is 27.4. According to your quick wt loss method what should this lady do to lose 5lbs a week. How many calories in and out? How much exercise? Which foods should she eat? You may want to use your math skills to show us cal in and out balance but I am not asking for a meal plan.
Everyone is welcome to answer the question.
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*Um obese people and bodybuilders have what in common? Oh yeah, they want to lose weight. *
No they do not.
OBESE people want to lose weight.
BODYBUILDERS want to gain muscle mass.
Two different matters !
Fat loss is fat loss and metabolism plays a role regardless.
No my dear male friend.
Fat loss is different than muscle gain.
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........... Oh and I never mentioned steroids.
Read this.............
.............. And before you bring up steroids, there are clean contests. ...........
And I never brought the talk about steroids, but you did.
People actually do lift weights without steroids.
You don't want to actually research the topic and are also arguing with someone (canadiandesigirl) who is actually studying this stuff? Please go ahead. Your ignorance is also duly noted.
And please don't call me dear, I'm a guy and that's just creepy.
My dear male friend, let canadiandesigirl speak for herself, will be glad to answer her.
Do not use someone else's shoulder (second time you did despite you claim to be a male) to prove your point. Bring your own argument like a man. ;)
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My dear male friend, let canadiandesigirl speak for herself, will be glad to answer her.
Do not use someone else's shoulder (second time you did despite you claim to be a male) to prove your point. Bring your own argument like a man. ;)
Really, I mean really? You went there WOW!
and this is where I stop responding to you.
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Really, I mean really? You went there WOW!
and this is where I stop responding to you.
Thanks for finding excuse to run away. ;)
Interestingly you found only that post worth responding to. Great!
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Thanks for finding excuse to run away. ;)
After 19 mins I would have thought you could give me a valid answer to my question above.