ghalti or jurm may kiya faraq hai? may isharay ka order follow nai karta may nay ghalti ki ya jurm/?
yes interpret it by urself...if u cant interpret it correctly shaier ka qasoor hai? remember poets are different, and whats makes them different? you need to find it as well...
Jurm is when you stick to what you did.. When you repented on it.. It doesn't exist as a 'Jurm'. I simply don't find Adam as mujrim and therefore didn't find it right that someone referred that ibn e aadam are still facing punishment of that jurm.
As a reader, I got every right to interpret a shair my way. If you got another interpretation, please come up with that.
making a question over question means you dont have question to my answer.....or iqbal nay jawab-e-shikwa kion likha tha, tu is ka jawab aap ko iqbaliyat walay behtar day saktay hain....and agar iqbal nay kahain apnay words may bataya hai tu mujhay shair karain woo link jahan iqbal nay kaha ho k shikwa likhna ghalti thi or us ko sahee karnay k liyay may nay jawab-e-shikwa likha...iqbal ka beta zinda hai us ko he kahin quote kar dain may aap ki baat maan jaon ga...thanks....give arguments not excuses/claims.
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cool down. Don't you know the reactions of Ulema e Hind when they read 'Shikwa'? Will you call all of them naive who didn't have any knowledge of language and religion? How things got normal for Iqbal after publishing of 'Jawab e Shikwa' is all known to us and no need to refer to javed Iqbal or Iqbal Academy as when Shikwa and Jawab e Shikwa read together, it gives answer itself.
Jurm is when you stick to what you did.. When you repented on it.. It doesn't exist as a 'Jurm'. I simply don't find Adam as mujrim and therefore didn't find it right that someone referred that ibn e aadam are still facing punishment of that jurm.
As a reader, I got every right to interpret a shair my way. If you got another interpretation, please come up with that.
yani may nay jurm kar liya...us ki mujay saza hoi or future may maay kahon ga k may nay woo jurm kabhi kiya he nahi....thats good. Other thing what shair means punishment of jurm ? have you understand true meaning of jurm?
You can always interpret shaier according to your understanding but fatwa na lagain tu behtar hai...ya apnay fatway ko kisi Imam sb say approve karwa lain...
cool down. Don't you know the reactions of Ulema e Hind when they read 'Shikwa'? Will you call all of them naive who didn't have any knowledge of language and religion? How things got normal for Iqbal after publishing of 'Jawab e Shikwa' is all known to us and no need to refer to javed Iqbal or Iqbal Academy as when Shikwa and Jawab e Shikwa read together, it gives answer itself.
unhii ulma nay Quaid-e-azam ko bhi kafir kaha tha tu Quaid-e-azam kafir hain? also tell me agar iqbal nay aik ghalti ki tu woo ghalti man lenay k bawajood iqbal k kalaam may abb tak kion shamil hai? or jo molvi hazrat baat bay baat bharak uthtay hain woo abhi tak iqbal ka shikwa matric k course say kion nahi nikalwa sakay? agar iqbal nay ghalti maan li hai tu mujhay woo proof dain....bhai jan please if you cant understand shikwa then dont comment k woo kufriya hai....meharbani....i am very cool lakin aap apni understanding ko bhi cool karain...iqbal becharay ko maaf kar dain....
yani may nay jurm kar liya...us ki mujay saza hoi or future may maay kahon ga k may nay woo jurm kabhi kiya he nahi....thats good. Other thing what shair means punishment of jurm ? have you understand true meaning of jurm?
You can always interpret shaier according to your understanding but fatwa na lagain tu behtar hai...ya apnay fatway ko kisi Imam sb say approve karwa lain...
I said I didn't consider Adam as Mujrim. Its not my authority to even call a normal person Mujrim, when God has forgiven him. Here we are talking of a Prophet and I did share my understanding in detail in a thread in R&S (link shared above).
I didn't issue fatwa e Wajib ul Qatl for poet, I just said that it is not accordance with the teachings in Quran (as I understand).
I said I didn't consider Adam as Mujrim. Its not my authority to even call a normal person Mujrim, when God has forgiven him. Here we are talking of a Prophet and I did share my understanding in detail in a thread in R&S (link shared above).
I didn't issue fatwa e Wajib ul Qatl for poet, I just said that it is not accordance with the teachings in Quran (as I understand).
tu sir ji phir aap apni understanding ko kisi achay shair say share karain....woo aap ki understanding sahee karwayee... :) Muneer Niazi k shair pay, manzar khiyalvi k shair agar kufriya hain tu janab molvi sahiban, ulma-e-karaam ko bharpoor ahtajaaj karna chahiyay....yeh tu ghalat hai na k aik shair kufriya kalam bhi kahay or woo TV pay bhi promote hoon....
unhii ulma nay Quaid-e-azam ko bhi kafir kaha tha tu Quaid-e-azam kafir hain? also tell me agar iqbal nay aik ghalti ki tu woo ghalti man lenay k bawajood iqbal k kalaam may abb tak kion shamil hai? or jo molvi hazrat baat bay baat bharak uthtay hain woo abhi tak iqbal ka shikwa matric k course say kion nahi nikalwa sakay? agar iqbal nay ghalti maan li hai tu mujhay woo proof dain....bhai jan please if you cant understand shikwa then dont comment k woo kufriya hai....meharbani....i am very cool lakin aap apni understanding ko bhi cool karain...iqbal becharay ko maaf kar dain....
where did I say anything against Iqbal or his poetry? I said Shikwa in its standalone shape attracted anger from Ulma e Hind and jawab e Shikwa made that angry group normal. So wherefrom the question of Iqbal ko maaf rakhen arise?
I just gave you example that telecasting from PTV doesn't mean that it becomes Islamic. PTV do telecast stuff where girls do smoking and all that. Does that also make it Islamic?
It was just an example. There is stuff related to man as well. PTV to wo channel hai ke hukoomat badli, ye actor nahin aae ga screen pe. such a politicized institute. Jis Nawaz Sharif ki burai hoti thi, usse ke qaseede padhe jaen ge ab. Media doesn’t authenticate things.
I said I didn't consider Adam as Mujrim. Its not my authority to even call a normal person Mujrim, when God has forgiven him. Here we are talking of a Prophet and I did share my understanding in detail in a thread in R&S (link shared above).
I didn't issue fatwa e Wajib ul Qatl for poet, I just said that it is not accordance with the teachings in Quran (as I understand).
aap ko aik kalaam sunananay ka mashwara doon ga....data sahab may beth k qawali ki gaye hai is kalam pay....mehar ali or shair ali nay...bedum shah warsi ka kalam hai....
Bekhud kiyay detay hain, yeh andaz-e-hijaban, aa dil may tujhay rakh loon, aye jalwa-e-jananaa..... is kalam ka aik shair hai
Jis ja nazar aathay ho sajday wahi kartha hoon
iss say nahi kuch matlab kaba ho ya buth khana
yahan pay butt khana kisay kaha gaya hai...is ko samjhain...
where did I say anything against Iqbal or his poetry? I said Shikwa in its standalone shape attracted anger from Ulma e Hind and jawab e Shikwa made that angry group normal. So wherefrom the question of Iqbal ko maaf rakhen arise?
I just gave you example that telecasting from PTV doesn't mean that it becomes Islamic. PTV do telecast stuff where girls do smoking and all that. Does that also make it Islamic?
hmmm....maani na aap nay meri baat....k ulma-e-sooo ko pehlay shikway ki samjh he na aa saki jab iqbal nay jawab-e-shikwa likha tu woo bs normal ho gayee nahi ji woo tu qoam ko samjhna chah raha tha shikwa likh k...yeh bat un ko pehlay kion nahi samjh ayee????
hmmm....maani na aap nay meri baat....k ulma-e-sooo ko pehlay shikway ki samjh he na aa saki jab iqbal nay jawab-e-shikwa likha tu woo bs normal ho gayee nahi ji woo tu qoam ko samjhna chah raha tha shikwa likh k...yeh bat un ko pehlay kion nahi samjh ayee????
lekin Muhatram Munir Niazi aur Janab Faiz Ahmed Faiz Sahib ne koi Jawab nahin likha iss tarah ke ashaar likhne ke baad na hi Ghalib ne koi Wazahat farmai ke un ke nazdeek Jannat ka wajood kin maani main mashkook tha. :)
aapko kaise pata maine hajj kiya hai ?