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Isn't that blasphemy ?
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Isn't that blasphemy ?
probably the poet doesn't know it was not saza but Adam (AS) was actually rewarded through this process. It was all destined and even angels knew that he would be sent on earth, while he was created by the God.
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gam ki barish ne bhi tere naqsh ko dhoya nahin
tune mujh ko kho diya main ne tujhe khoya nahin
nind ka halka gulabi-sa khumar ankhon main tha
yun laga jaise wo shab ko der tak soya nahin
har taraf diwar-o-dar aur un main ankhon ka hujum
kah sak jo dil ki halat wo lab-e-goya nahin
jurm adam ne kiya aur nasl-e-adam ko saza
katta hun zindagi bhar main ne jo boya nahin
janta hun ek aise shakhs ko main bhi 'Munir'
gam se pathar ho gaya lekin kabhi roya nahin
By Munir Niyazi
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probably the poet doesn't know it was not saza but Adam (AS) was actually rewarded through this process. It was all destined and even angels knew that he would be sent on earth, while he was created by the God.
Hmm
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i dont think it is un islamic....
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i dont think it is un islamic....
I think it is. considering a Prophet of God as Mujrim is un-Islamic
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Did you check out the link Muqawwee posted ?
i dont think it is un islamic....
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Did you check out the link Muqawwee posted ?
"I think it is. considering a Prophet of God as Mujrim is un-Islamic"
acha...ok i have one question, tauba kis liyay hoti hai?
if you better consult any authentic shair...i am wrong...contact an authentic shair...he will explain you is this islamic or not....or better if you understand hidden meaning rather than just using wordly explanation.
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LP
hum buttoon say jo payar kartay hain
naql-e-parwardigaar kartay hain
yeh kufriya hai k nahi????
explanation ka pehlay bhi bataya tha tumay tareka if you cant adopt then please dont comment on shair which u think are kufriya...and in reality they are not.
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LP
hum buttoon say jo payar kartay hain naql-e-parwardigaar kartay hain
yeh kufriya hai k nahi????
explanation ka pehlay bhi bataya tha tumay tareka if you cant adopt then please dont comment on shair which u think are kufriya...and in reality they are not.
Its good to know wht others think abt a sher.
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"I think it is. considering a Prophet of God as Mujrim is un-Islamic"
acha...ok i have one question, tauba kis liyay hoti hai?
if you better consult any authentic shair...i am wrong...contact an authentic shair...he will explain you is this islamic or not....or better if you understand hidden meaning rather than just using wordly explanation.
Most of the time, poets are either against Sharia or they don't consider Islamic concepts to write such asha'ar.
As far as toba is concerned, its not always about 'Jurm'. Its about guilt. Adam (AS) opt for toba, as he felt that he did something wrong by not following the order of God. But when God Himself graced Adam and granted his Dua/ Toba, then there is no need for such ash'aar and thoughts that Adam was sent to earth as a punishment. When his Toba was accepted then there is no question of punishment.
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Jurm Aadam Nai Kiya Aur Saza Baitoon Ko, Adl O Insaaf Ka Mi’aar Bhi Kia Rakha Hai
Dai K Insaan Ko Dunya Mein Khilafat Apni, Ik Tamasha Sa Zamanay Mein Bana Rakha Hai
yeh bhi kufriya hai na....NFAk nay gaya tha or PTV pay kitni he dafa lag chuka hai.....aik islamic mulak k tv pay non islamic kalam.....kufriya kalam.....kion?????
it doesnot mean if you cant understand a thing, it is kufriya....
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Jurm Aadam Nai Kiya Aur Saza Baitoon Ko, Adl O Insaaf Ka Mi’aar Bhi Kia Rakha Hai Dai K Insaan Ko Dunya Mein Khilafat Apni, Ik Tamasha Sa Zamanay Mein Bana Rakha Hai
yeh bhi kufriya hai na....NFAk nay gaya tha or PTV pay kitni he dafa lag chuka hai.....aik islamic mulak k tv pay non islamic kalam.....kufriya kalam.....kion?????
it doesnot mean if you cant understand a thing, it is kufriya....
so why Iqbal repented on Shikwa? Isn't Shikwa telecasted on PTV (the very same channel of Muslim country) thousand times?
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Most of the time, poets are either against Sharia or they don't consider Islamic concepts to write such asha'ar.
As far as toba is concerned, its not always about 'Jurm'. Its about guilt. Adam (AS) opt for toba, as he felt that he did something wrong by not following the order of God. But when God Himself graced Adam and granted his Dua/ Toba, then there is no need for such ash'aar and thoughts that Adam was sent to earth as a punishment. When his Toba was accepted then there is no question of punishment.
ok...what u call an act if you dont follow an order? and agin u need to understand what is the real meaning behinde the word "jurm" in this shair?
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ok...what u call an act if you dont follow an order? and agin u need to understand what is the real meaning behinde the word "jurm" in this shair?
not following order is ghalati and when it was forgiven then why bring it to next generation?
Whats your understanding of word 'jurm'? and please don't say interpret yourself :)
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so why Iqbal repented on Shikwa? Isn't Shikwa telecasted on PTV (the very same channel of Muslim country) thousand times?
show me where iqbal said his shikwa is wrong?
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show me where iqbal said his shikwa is wrong?
why he wrote Jawab e Shikwa then? consider starting of Jawab e Shikwa, you will find that it was a compensating poem to 'Shikwa'
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not following order is ghalati and when it was forgiven then why bring it to next generation?
Whats your understanding of word 'jurm'? and please don't say interpret yourself :)
ghalti or jurm may kiya faraq hai? may isharay ka order follow nai karta may nay ghalti ki ya jurm/?
yes interpret it by urself...if u cant interpret it correctly shaier ka qasoor hai? remember poets are different, and whats makes them different? you need to find it as well...
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why he wrote Jawab e Shikwa then? consider starting of Jawab e Shikwa, you will find that it was a compensating poem to 'Shikwa'
making a question over question means you dont have question to my answer.....or iqbal nay jawab-e-shikwa kion likha tha, tu is ka jawab aap ko iqbaliyat walay behtar day saktay hain....and agar iqbal nay kahain apnay words may bataya hai tu mujhay shair karain woo link jahan iqbal nay kaha ho k shikwa likhna ghalti thi or us ko sahee karnay k liyay may nay jawab-e-shikwa likha...iqbal ka beta zinda hai us ko he kahin quote kar dain may aap ki baat maan jaon ga...thanks....give arguments not excuses/claims.
Thanks