is it any authentic ?

Mr_Bombastic · September 19, 2005, 9:19pm

prophet Mohammad (pbuh) married to a 7 yr old girl ? and they had their rukhseti with her at age of 9 ?

and if so .. its really bothering me WHY ? why such a teen-ager ? come on .. nazoobillah take Prophet outa spot n put some random guy marrying a 7 yr old girl .. what wud u say then ? child abuse, molesting etc rite ?

im looking for anything better then SO SHE CUD LIVE LONG AFTER PROPHET’s DEATH AND PREACH ISLAM

shweetdreamz · September 19, 2005, 9:27pm

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yeah the age of consent was lower at that time.

mAd_ScIeNtIsT · September 19, 2005, 9:42pm

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One should point out that in earlier times it was common for people to be married young.

In the days of the Roman Empire it was quite common for girls to be married at puberty or before.. A grave has been found of an upper class roman woman where it was inscribed that she was married at age 7.

Having said that, there are inconsistencies between various accounts of Ayesha’s (ra) age.

1- Most of these narratives are reported only by Hisham ibn `Urwah (RA) reporting on the authority of his father. An event as well known as the one being reported, should logically have been reported by more people than just one, two or three.

It is quite strange that no one from Medinah, where Hisham ibn `urwah lived the first seventy one years of his life has narrated the event, even though in Medinah his pupils included people as well known as Malik ibn Anas. All the narratives of this event have been reported by narrators from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have had shifted after living in Medinah for seventy one years.

Tehzibu’l-tehzib, one of the most well known books on the life and reliability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (PBUH) reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: “narratives reported by Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people of Iraq”. It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those narratives of Hisham which were reported through people of Iraq. (vol 11, pg 48 - 51)

Mizanu’l-ai`tidal, another book on the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (PBUH) reports that when he was old, Hisham’s memory suffered quite badly. (vol 4, pg 301 - 302)

2- According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha (RA) was born about eight years before Hijrah. But according to another narrative in Bukhari (kitabu’l-tafseer) Ayesha (RA) is reported to have said that at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur’an, was revealed, “I was a young girl”. The 54th surah of the Qur’an was revealed nine years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Ayesha (RA) had not only been born before the revelation of the referred surah, but was actually a young girl (jariyah), not an infant (sabiyyah) at that time.

Obviously, if this narrative is held to be true, it is in clear contradiction with the narratives reported by Hisham ibn urwah. I see absolutely no reason that after the comments of the experts on the narratives of Hisham ibn urwah, why we should not accept this narrative to be more accurate.

2- According to a number of narratives, Ayesha (RA) accompanied the Muslims in the battle of Badr and Uhud. Furthermore, it is also reported in books of hadith and history that no one under the age of 15 years was allowed to take part in the battle of Uhud. All the boys below 15 years of age were sent back. Ayesha’s (RA) participation in the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicate that she was not nine or ten years old at that time. After all, women used to accompany men to the battle fields to help them, not to be a burden on them.

3- According to almost all the historians Asma’a (RA), the elder sister of Ayesha (RA) was ten years older than Ayesha (RA). It is reported in Taqri’bu’l-tehzi’b as well as Al-bidayah wa’l-nihayah that Asma’a (RA) died in 73 hijrah when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma’a (RA) was 100 years old in 73 hijrah she should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma’a (RA) was 27 or 28 years old at the time of hijrah, Ayesha (RA) should have been 17 or 18 years old at that time. Thus, Ayesha (RA), if she got married in 1 AH (after hijrah) or 2 AH, was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her marriage.

4- Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr (RA) reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born during the Jahiliyyah – the pre Islamic period. Obviously, if Ayesha (RA) was born in the period of jahiliyyah, she could not have been less than 14 years in 1 AH – the time she most likely got married.

5- According to Ibn Hisham, the historian, Ayesha (RA) accepted Islam quite some time before Umar ibn Khattab (RA). This shows that Ayesha (RA) accepted Islam during the first year of Islam. While, if the narrative of Ayesha’s (RA) marriage at seven years of age is held to be true, Ayesha (RA) should not have been born during the first year of Islam.

6- Tabari has also reported that at the time Abu Bakr planned on migrating to Habshah (8 years before Hijrah), he went to Mutam -- with whose son Ayesha (RA) was engaged -- and asked him to take Ayesha (RA) in his house as his son's wife. Mutam refused, because Abu Bakr had embraced Islam, and subsequently his son divorced Ayesha (RA). Now, if Ayesha (RA) was only seven years old at the time of her marriage, she could not have been born at the time Abu Bakr decided on migrating to Habshah. On the basis of this report it seems only reasonable to assume that Ayesha (RA) had not only been born 8 years before hijrah, but was also a young lady, quite prepared for marriage.

7- According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the death of Khadijah (RA), when Khaulah (RA) came to the Prophet (PBUH) advising him to marry again, the Prophet (PBUH) asked her regarding the choices she had in her mind. Khaulah said: “You can marry a virgin (bikr) or a woman who has already been married (thayyib)”. When the Prophet (PBUH) asked about who the virgin was, Khaulah proposed Ayesha’s (RA) name. All those who know the Arabic language, are aware that the word “bikr” in the Arabic language is not used for an immature nine year old girl. The correct word for a young playful girl, as stated earlier is “Jariyah”. “Bikr” on the other hand, is used for an unmarried lady, and obviously a nine year old is not a “lady”.

8- According to Ibn Hajar, Fatimah (RA) was five years older than Ayesha (RA). Fatimah (RA) is reported to have been born when the Prophet (PBUH) was 35 years old. Thus, even if this information is taken to be correct, Ayesha (RA) could by no means be less than 14 years old at the time of hijrah, and 15 or 16 years old at the time of her marriage.

These are some of the major points that go against accepting the commonly known narrative regarding Ayesha’s age at the time of her marriage. Allah knows best.

Mr_Bombastic · September 19, 2005, 9:56pm

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ok dude be reason able aight how cud u tell me she wasnt 7 .. i cud google all that too !

and dont tell me how it was in ROMAN AGES .. wasnt Prophet to deform them in better shape .. different ?

Mr_Bombastic · September 19, 2005, 9:57pm

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i mean no offence !

but wud u marry ur 7 yr old sister or daughter to a grown man ? i know i WONT !

syedpk · September 19, 2005, 10:49pm

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I can only quote Anna Quindlen

Ignorant free speech often works against the speaker. That is one of several reasons why it must be given rein instead of suppressed.
So stop the discussion

Blasphemy law hudood law or any law why abuse islam and find something else to talk about.

Lajawab · September 19, 2005, 10:53pm

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Forget the inconsistencies…

The marriage of our mother Ayesha was ordained to our Holy Prophet :saw: by the Will of Allah :swt:…

Just like a virgin was ordained to bear a child and that child to raise the dead and give sight to the blind through the Will of Allah :swt:…

Booze_Allin · September 19, 2005, 10:58pm

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Namaste & Salaam,

Marrying young is common to all cultures in the past - Hindus used marry of children to each other ...once the marriage ceremony was over I think the boy & the girl went back to their respective homes (meaning they did not live together) until they came to a more appropriate age.

This might have been to ward of certain tendencies to stray during adloscense and / or to expedite procreation considering life expectancy was very very low.

By the way, 7 or 9 does not represent 'teen'age!

Bye

Mr_Bombastic · September 20, 2005, 2:10am

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huh say wat ?

and dude a mufti told me that but he cudnt setisfy me with his arguement so i m asking yall ..

i m not abusing islam, i m just asking a question .. answer it darnit or move on.

Lajawab: Ok! got that part already but wats the SIGNIFANCE of it ? y such a little girl thats the question !

Sadiyah · September 20, 2005, 2:19am

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Although I haven't had a chance to skim through the answers posted above, I would like to state that there isn't anything wrong with two individuals consummating their marriage once they have matured.

Only Allah (SWT) Knows about the Wisdom behind why Prophet Muhammad (SAW) married Aisha (RA) when she was young. Keep in mind, it was no violation of any sort, as I believe she had matured at the time of her rukhsati (or whatever you may want to call it).

Mr_Bombastic · September 20, 2005, 7:47pm

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^^ ahaa ! so u think there is nothing wrong with grown guy marrying a 7 yr old girl? wud u marry ur daughter at 7 ? wud u even think of that ?

besides when i accidently mentioned me n a 16 yr old gul .. everybody just goofed off, no one cared if she was matured or not .. religion is only to cover prophets ?

p/s: i m still waiting for the answer not assumptions.

Sadiyah · September 20, 2005, 7:52pm

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Mr Bombastic, I don't think there's anything wrong with consummating a nikkah after one has matured.

I'm quite positive it was a norm at that time; however, it is no longer the same. Islam covers everyone and not prophets and messengers alone.

Fear_Allah · September 20, 2005, 8:15pm

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Assalamaualaikum warahmatuallahi wabarakatuhu.

if the girl is past the age of puberty, and is mature and willing to get married..who are you to say its wrong?
not long ago women got married at 13-14...that wud be our parents..and before that i know of many grandparents (probebly ur own) to have married at a younger age..9-12...maybe younger...
i dont know what sort of answer you want...but its not the answer your guna get watever it may be.... Allah knows best. he told the prophet to marry Aisha ra, and she agreed. there lives are an amazing example to us, lives,as muslims, need to follow.
my advice to you..is dont question Allah's will. if Allah wills it ,it will happen. if not, it wont happen. end of.

Islam has nothing to hide.

peace.

Captain1 · September 20, 2005, 8:32pm

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You won’t but Hazrat Abu Bakr did??

Fear_Allah · September 20, 2005, 8:34pm

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[QUOTE]

besides when i accidently mentioned me n a 16 yr old gul .. everybody just goofed off, no one cared if she was matured or not .. religion is only to cover prophets ?

[/QUOTE]
this looks like a personal problem you have.
if you are both mature, and past the age of puberty. And your intension is to get married, for the Right reasons. then why dont you go ahead and ask for her hand?!

religion is only to cover prophets... some things yes, but most things No.
e.g. marrying more then 4 wives is not permissible. non other then the prophet is and was able to do that.

anyways..the advice of the prophet Muhammed sws...to all young men and women is to get married quickly, If the means to it are possible for you.

" O youthfull people, if any of you have the means to, he should get married, as it lowers the eyesight and protects the private parts. Those who have not the ability to do so should fast, as it will be a sheild for him"

"If one whose religion and character pleases you proposes to you, you should marry him. If you do not do so, there will be tribulations in the land and great evil."

May Allah grant to all what is best for their religion . May he guide us and keep us on the straight path, May he make your situation easy for you.he is all hearing all aware. Ameen.

gupguppy · September 20, 2005, 8:52pm

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the following link replies to points #1, 4 and 8 from the list of “inconsistencies”

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=73057

as for “inconsistency” #2… it is argued for on the basis of the as yet unproven notion that the “54th surah of the Qur’an was revealed nine years before Hijrah”… i’d like to see some evidence for that

time doesn’t permit me to look at the others just now

Mr_Bombastic · September 20, 2005, 9:31pm

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FEAR ALAH: i didnt mean to get religious reply to my issue but just wanted to point out people's attitude toward a normal human and a prophet .. just leave it .. i'll prove it to you !

SADYA: u were 9 yr old too .. did u know anything abt sex at that age ? and why it was NORM at that time and not now ? islam has changed ?NAOZUBILLAH or SUNNETS are not so approriate to follow anymore ? NAOZUBILLAH ohh for the record scientist are saying now a days guls reach to their pubirty real quick.. which is between 12-14yr of age avgly.

teaser · September 21, 2005, 8:42am

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Time is the key here.

I am sure you would have not said this had this been the era of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), would you?

You are thinking too hard on this, maybe satan is after you.

There are certain things (from Islamic point of view) that I can’t find answer for those but I don’t question everyone about it. For example I was born Muslim why not the Christian living next door to me is Muslim? What if after my death I find out Islam was not the right religion and will not take me to Janah after death? So on and forth. Thats where belief comes into play. You need to have faith and be strong on what you believe. Oterwise these tiny bits of issues will lead you no where except to follow satan. I am not saying you should not ask questions but you need to look at what you are asking. There are certain things that no one on this earth can provide you a satisfying (depends what satisfy you) answer except Allah so why not have trust, have faith on Allah and move on with your life instead being bothered by the question?

The only satisfying answer I can provide you with my limited knowledge is that the marriage took place with Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) not some ordinary person. Secondly do you really think Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) would do something that would even heart a tiny ant let alone marrying Aisha (ra) at that small age. I am not denying the marriage but trying to make you understand that there must have been some reason for this and If we don’t know the reason does not mean we should be questioning if it was right or wrong.

Also note one thing here. I have read about the marriage of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) with Aisha (ra) and there are different opinion on the age from different scholars. Some say 7 some say 9. You are too much stressing on saying what would a 7 year old know about sex. Why it has to be about sex? We don’t even know the right age of Aisah (ra) and you are talking about sex. Do you for sure know at what age, what Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did with Aisha? Why you are so much concerned about the sex and maturity part?

Do you know at what age your parents got married? Also tell me were your parents aware of every single pros and cons about sex at that time?

Lastly don’t compare your sis, daughter or my sis, daughter with Aisha (ra) and grown up man with Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). See the difference between a prophet and a normal person.

armughal · September 21, 2005, 9:34am

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go and ask these scientists about a girl reaching puuberty quicker than that (i.e. before 12 years) in hotter areas (specially desert areas)…

it was just yesterday’s news (i.e. click here) that a 10 year gave birth…

Lajawab · September 21, 2005, 9:39am

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Forget that…

Check this link out…

5 year old girl that gave birth to a healthy boy…

She was menstruating when she was 8 months old…