is it allright to piss while standing....?

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Dhir, you wrote ...

Somebody tell him how many times the blessed prophet married and how many times are permitted in Quran.

This has been covered in many many threads previously..if you still don't get it, I'll draw you a picture to simplify things !

...going to hell because of urine drops, takes the best joke award. How about eating the food irrigated by urine? Do farmers urinate in their fields? What after that.

Guarding yourself from Urine drops is a matter of personal hygiene and keeping the body free from things which are considered un-pure (naapaak).The irrigation bit you mentioned isn't worth discussing since it has nothing to do with the subject matter at hand.

you also wrote...

Allah, the merciful, will grant you hell because you were urinating standing.....

You really must learn to read with more care and pay attention to detail !, The Hadith Shareef I quoted did not mention anything about standing or sitting while urinating. It did however, mention that you must guard yourself from splashes while urinating, if you can do so while standing then there is nothing wrong with that.

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naz, goodluck in telling this to these guys. they have a history full of urine drinkers.
i mean the thing is filtered once out of ur system what kindof minerals they get out of it… beats me.

as far as hygeine is concerned they have temples full of dirty rats where rats are preached. the stinkiest of all animals. there is no concept of hygiene here dear… my advice… close ur nose and run as fast as you can when u see one.

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[This message has been edited by mundyaa (edited June 20, 2000).]

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Mundyaa, as usual, you are missing the whole connection. We are discussing here how if one does not save himself from the drops of urine will go to hell, as is mentioned in Hadiths, and as prophet also preached and you blindly believed.

Reg. urine drinkers in India, obviously you believe in stories as told in Paki*satan*. Urine has proven medicinal values. It is sometimes used in Ayurveda form of medicines. For your information, Ayurveda is quite popular in European and American markets also and at times people substitute Allopathic by Ayurvedic medicines. If someone drinks Urine, it is his own choice, religion has nothing to do with this. The funny part which I came to know only from this thread is that Islam teaches people about how to urine also.

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Originally posted by Naz:
Dhir, you wrote ...
Somebody tell him how many times the blessed prophet married and how many times are permitted in Quran.

My comment was in response to your telling that prophet has never done anything which is against Quran. Now you tell me, whether marrying more than four times is against Quran or not. And that settles the matter there itself. Lets see whether you people can use your brains when it comes to Prophet or Quran.

Guarding yourself from Urine drops is a matter of personal hygiene and keeping the body free from things which are considered un-pure (naapaak).

I agree with you 100%. My comment was about going to hell because of falling urine drops and that you have very smartly diverted from.

I am hence led to believe then that apart from such humans who are not urinating properly, all the animals must be going to hell because they are not able to protect themselves from the urine drops.

The irrigation bit you mentioned isn't worth discussing since it has nothing to do with the subject matter at hand.

Subject matter is whether urine can lead you to hell or not and that in Islam it is preached to save oneself from the urine drops. And hence I spoke about a lots of urine drops in the farms etc.

**you also wrote...

Allah, the merciful, will grant you hell because you were urinating standing.....

You really must learn to read with more care and pay attention to detail !, The Hadith Shareef I quoted did not mention anything about standing or sitting while urinating. It did however, mention that you must guard yourself from splashes while urinating, if you can do so while standing then there is nothing wrong with that.**

O.K. my mistake. So you mean to say that Allah will not be granting hell on the basis of the position while urinating but hell will be sanctioned if the drops fall on you. Happy now. Even this takes the Joke of the millennium award.

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Naz, I am sorry that I laughed at your post, but I do believe that it is laughable to think that God would send people to Hell for getting urine on themselves. So are you saying in the above quote that God is exaggerating the punishment to make people scared so that they will stay clean, even though they will not get thrown into Hell for having urine on their clothes?

Being a believer does not have to mean throwing out your common sense, which I think that many Muslims have done. We are supposed to use our mind and think and explore our religion.

Hadith travelled through dozens of mouths for about two hundred years before they were written down. Again, common sense tells me that they would not retain much after that time. In fact, many of them were probably invented in order to justify the practices and traditions of the day. Unfortunately, we are still applying many of them in our day.

God did say that we should do what the Prophet did. However, the collections of Hadith that have survived are not trustworthy, and are often ridiculous (for example the one that you quoted). At the time that the Prophet spoke, people followed his words. Now, we have no idea what he said. The only trustworthy document that has come down to us is Quran. Did God ever say in the Quran, “Please compile all the sayings of Muhammed, 200 years after his death. I will guarentee their trustworthiness. Follow these recorded sayings as if they were laws given in the Quran.” I don’t think so.

In fact, there are supposedly Hadith saying that Muhammed said never to write down anything he said except Quran. The Quran should be the only source of law. After all, that’s what the Quran says

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Zara

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Zara,

I agree with you that we have to be very careful about the authenticity of hadith shareef, a)By cheking their history and making sure they have always been passed down through the ages by reputable sources and b) that they compliment that which has been wrttten in the holy quran.

We cannot live our lives based on just the holy Quran alone. There are so many things in Islam which we have learned from the holy Prophet (PBUH) and hadith shreef. for example, the method to use when performing Hajj, how to perform Wadu, how much Zakaath to give. All of these have been prescribed to Mislims in the holy Quran, but their EXACT methods have only been taught to us through the Holy Prophet (PBUH). There are many other aspects of a Muslims life which have been taught to us through Hadith Shareef and through the behaviour of the Blessed Prophet (PBUH). Yes I too have come across Hadith shareef which seem to be ‘strange’. but that is not reason enough to completely reject all hadith !.

Going back to my previous post, weather Allah taala sends anyone to Heaven/hell is upto him
and he can forgive/not forgive anyone he wants. however, I still stand bye my earlier comment, that Allah Taala, by stating the punishment of certain acts is letting people know how ‘bad’ something is considered in Islam. Islam considers Backbiting, Lying and spreading rhoumors (chughly) as very serious acts and the punishment of these is also very severe. But yet people do it every day and sometimes we all backbite without even realising it.

If we could all keep in our minds how sever the punishment is for these acts then I’m sure we would think twice before doing such deeds. That is the whole purpose behinde telling people that the punishment of these acts is Hell. Think of it as a unit of measure, to give a person an idea of how bad it is to do certain things.

There is nothing more I can say to make it any clearer, Hope it makes sense !.

Dhir..

From what I have read on various sites on the net (material by very educated people who have done much research into Islam), Yes Islam does allow Polygamy but the it has VERY strict guidelines and conditions, so strict infact that I honestly don’t think the average human would be able adhear to these conditions.

“If you fear lest you may not be perfectly equitable in treating more than one wife, then you shall be content with one.” (4:3)

“You cannot be equitable in a polygamous relationship, no matter how hard you try.” (4:129)

source : http://www.submission.org/polygamy.html

from the above verses it is very evident that for the large majority of Muslims, Polygamy is not an easy option to take.

As far as the Holy Prophet (PBUH) is concerned and the number of wives he had, I will research into the matter and get back to you.

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*If you fear lest you may not be perfectly equitable in treating more than one wife, then you shall be content with one." (4:3) *

Naz, although it may divert us from the topic, but I also want you to shed some light on the following aspect apart from marriages by prophet:-

The above verse, as you have already mentioned, makes it very difficult for a normal human being to marry more than once. Now my question is who is the deciding authority whether the man is just to 2-3 or all the four of his wives, as prescribed in Islam. It is the man-in-question himself. So if a man, even to satisfy his lust, wants to marry more than once there is no way he could be challenged. What are the rights given to women in this regard? As we all know, socially, especially in Islamic countries, if a woman tries to oppose her husband, she can easily be sidelined by the husband as well as the society.

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Dhir

.... So if a man, even to satisfy his lust, wants to marry more than once there is no way he could be challenged.

Actually Dhir, that is one of the conditions, that if a man marries a second wife out of lust then that is a transgression of Allah Tallas Law regarding marriage. It is not permitted. I will try to get you the complete set of conditions under which a man can/can't marry more than one wife. Suffice to say that only under exeptional cicumstances can a man marry more than once.

I'll get back to you..

watch this space!

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Dhir, See passage below regarding under what circumstances one is allowed to marry, i.e regarding your question about lust.

an-Nisa' 4:24] Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath God ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity,not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed;

but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and God is All-knowing, All-wise.

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Originally posted by Naz:
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We cannot live our lives based on just the holy Quran alone. **
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Hmm, but isn't that just what the Quran asks us to do? Doesn't it say that all we need is "this book?" "This book is complete," and "I have not left anything out of this book?"

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Originally posted by Naz:
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There are so many things in Islam which we have learned from the holy Prophet (PBUH) and hadith shreef. for example, the method to use when performing Hajj, how to perform Wadu, how much Zakaath to give. All of these have been prescribed to Mislims in the holy Quran, but their EXACT methods have only been taught to us through the Holy Prophet (PBUH).
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I can see why you are tempted to use this argument, however, it is a weak one. It is like saying, I NEED for the Hadith to be a valid source, therefore, I believe they MUST be a valid source.

Perhaps there is a bit more flexibility in our religion than we have been led to believe. Perhaps God does not specify all of these Quran does not specify all of these things, not a some sort of mistake or oversight, but to leave things open to people?

[quote]
Originally posted by Naz:
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There are many other aspects of a Muslims life which have been taught to us through Hadith Shareef and through the behaviour of the Blessed Prophet (PBUH). Yes I too have come across Hadith shareef which seem to be 'strange'. but that is not reason enough to completely reject all hadith !
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I am not saying that I reject all Hadith, however, I do not think they should be looked to as a source of LAW. Only the Quran is a source of law.

Zara

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Zara,

If you take the argument of weather a particular Hadith shareef is authentic or not, and just put it to one side for a second.

Then consider that the teachings of the Holy Prophet (PBUH) are there to COMPLEMENT the teachings of the Holy Quran and NOT to contradict them. Allah Talla has sent us the Holy Quran which is a complete guide to a successful life hear & here-after. He also sent the Holy Prophet (PBUH) as a physical example of what the Quran teaches us.

Your argument that :

Perhaps there is a bit more flexibility in our religion than we have been led to believe. Perhaps God does not specify all of these Quran does not specify all of these things, not a some sort of mistake or oversight, but to leave things open to people?

Is partly valid, yes there are things in the holy Quran that have been left open. But that is where the Life & Teachings of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (SAW) comes into play. If you want anything to be clarified then look upon the Blessed Prophet (PBUH) and see how he handled such matters. We cannot leave the Holy Quran open to interpretation by any tom, dick or harry, as you have no doubt already seen on GupShup, what might be considered very bad by one person is perfectly acceptable by another. Allah Taala is well aware of Human ability to rationalise anything, and so to he has Given us the Blessed Prophet Muhammad (SAW) as a halmark by which to set our standards and to conduct our lives.

I think that once you can get over the fact that the life of Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is there to complement & clarify the teachings of the holy Quran, you will come to notice that what is taught to us by the Holy Quran and what is taught to us by the Prophet Muhammd(SAW) is one and the same.

You always claim that our religion and the holy Quran are very logical, well how logical would it be for Allah Taala to send down a Holy Book and give it to a Prophet who's teachings contradict what's written in the book itself ?.

Naz.