is it allowed in islam for a muslim to join a non muslim army?like british army
Re: is it allowed in islam?
Ask yourself this: Would Islam permit for you to fight Muslims, or assist non-muslims against muslims?
Re: is it allowed in islam?
Ask yourself this: Would Islam permit for you to fight Muslims, or assist non-muslims against muslims?
exactly i told it to ma frnd but shez still fyting wid me dat its british army and dey dont have any fyts wid muslims
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exactly i told it to ma frnd but shez still fyting wid me dat its british army and dey dont have any fyts wid muslims
She probably doesn't read the News much. NATO is currently engaged in Afghanistan, so technically yes...there's a conflict that's ongoing.
Re: is it allowed in islam?
jiskii khaao, uskii gaao.
Re: is it allowed in islam?
I want to clarify something. fighting against Muslim (nation) and fighting against Islam are two different things.
Re: is it allowed in islam?
Ask yourself this: Would Islam permit for you to fight Muslims, or assist non-muslims against muslims?
Hope you have read and understood the citizenship oath that you have taken.
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^ Dil kay khush rakhnay ko ghalib....
Given the condition of ummah and how non muslims nations are working against islam i dont think any one with just a tiny bit of eeman will suggest you to work in kuffar army.
I am talking about those nations who are fighting against muslims.
Re: is it allowed in islam?
jiskii khaao, uskii gaao.
eeman kehta hay hum ALLAH ka khatay hain :)
Re: is it allowed in islam?
Hope you have read and understood the citizenship oath that you have taken.
I have. Thanks.
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I am talking about those nations who are fighting against muslims.
So which army was wrong in these wars
Iraq vs Iran
Iraq vs Kuwait
Hazrat Ayesha vs Hazrat Ali
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Meray piyaray.
this is not related here. Please dont compare NATO-USA/Muslims fight as similar to jang jamal or saffain.
More related is who was right
or kuffar of makkah.
Muslims or Persians
Re: is it allowed in islam?
No this is approproate, because you are also comparing fight against muslim nations with fight against islam, which are two totally different things. For e.g when Pakistan India war happened, it was not a fight against islam, it was two nations fighting over a piece of land.
Re: is it allowed in islam?
No this is approproate, because you are also comparing fight against muslim nations with fight against islam, which are two totally different things. For e.g when Pakistan India war happened, it was not a fight against islam, it was two nations fighting over a piece of land.
You can not support a non muslim over fight with muslims unless muslim has made zulm.This is what i believe. If you think Americans and allies are mazloom , go on support them and if you think that muslims of iraq/afghanistan etc are mazloom then you should do vice versa.
So the point being
Is it allowed to join non muslim-(& muslim) army provided they are not participating in war against muslims , in my opinion it is not allowed and will have severe consequence in akhira.
If an army is not against muslims then it is allowed to serve your country to the best of your efforts.
See i am not taking about fight against islam, it is just fight against muslims.
Muhammad Bin qasims fight was for protection of muslims.
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My personal opinion is that right now is not an appropriate time for a Muslim to join the British Army or Air Force. Putting aside the question of whether or not the Taliban represent Islam or evil, it is instead very broadly accepted that Karzai's regime is corrupt to the core and viewed as a source of oppression by a very large number of Afghans, who happen to be Muslim.
Given the fact that the British Army and Air Force are currently fighting to shore up Karzai's regime, for a Muslim to currently join the army or Air Force would be to join an help an organization to perpetuate the rule of a corrupt and oppressive regime over other Muslims. I don't believe that it matters that Taliban rule would be just as bad or worse.
If someone really wants to sign up, arguably the Navy would be the least bad option because it has no involvement with Afghanistan. Until Britain disengages from Afghanistan, it would be better to stay away from joining its forces involved in fighting there.
And remember, once you join up, you don't have the ability to choose which fights you go off to. There was a Christian Doctor from New Zealand who joined the Royal Airforce in the UK, but when he refused to serve in Iraq because he felt the war was morally wrong, he was sent to jail.
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It is OK to milk the land that is feeding you but not OK to protect it. Good logic...
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A simple question...
Supposedly India and Pakistan goto war and India announces that it compulsorily ask its citizens to conscript. What are the options. If any muslim refuses, how should India treat them.
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Islam is a principle based deen not a mullah based religion.
If people fight for what is right muslims or nonmuslims all must fight for it. If anyone does not, s/he should be confronted. That is how we can make our world better. If any person or community does anything to harm human community it must be stopped. That is islam. There is no sense in dividing people rather we should look for common grounds and join together.
Future of mankind lies in having proper knowledge of things and making decisions on that basis. If we did that soon humanity will become one under God.
It is not nation states we should be loyal to but to principles that benefit humanity as a community. Masses need to raise their intellectual level and that is what iqbal said when he talked about khudi ki bulandi. Man can never be buland if he stays ignorant. ilm is the only thing that raises mankind above animal kingdom. acting properly on proper knowledge leads mankind to dignified life.
staying ignorant and hoping for the best leads nowhere.
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^^
So essentially you are saying that it is OK to be not patriotic.. I think it would be ideal if we could follow the religion and be patriotic too.
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^^
So essentially you are saying that it is OK to be not patriotic.. I think it would be ideal if we could follow the religion and be patriotic too.
Islam is against patriotism - technically, it requires that the loyalty of Muslims should be to the single Muslim nation (which Muslims themselves pretty much took apart 1000 years ago in defiance of their own religion).
It's one of the reasons why so many Islamists in India were against the creation of Pakistan - they didn't believe that the world needed yet another Muslim state, that the creation of this would mark yet another division of the true Muslim nation.
Of course, once Pakistan was actually a reality, they flocked to Pakistan because they believed that now that this new division existed, it would need them to reform it and make sure that it adhered to all of their particular interpretations of Islam...