I’m an American and my girlfriend is an Islamic woman originally from Pakistan. Her reasoning is that since its impossible to wear the viel from head to toe most Islamic women don’t wear it that way. So actually there is no sense wearing it all as one is not following that part of their religion strictly anyway. Is this argument valid? If so then I guess she is right to wear whatever she likes right? How rigid is this requirement?
**I’m an American and my girlfriend is an Islamic woman originally from Pakistan. **
when she opted to go for a ‘boy-friend’, she is not following Islam, she is a VERY-LOOSE follower.
**Her reasoning is that since its impossible to wear the viel from head to toe most Islamic women don’t wear it that way. **
everyone can make up excuses, even use other people as their excuses
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**So actually there is no sense wearing it all as one is not following that part of their religion strictly anyway. Is this argument valid? **
if she is from the beleif that she should cover ‘ALL’, then there is no compromise.
If so then I guess she is right to wear whatever she likes right? How rigid is this requirement?
anyone can wear anything she/he wants, but should not say that it represents the religion/beleif system.
according to my knowledge, women are required to cover beauty of their body, including face. this ‘cover’ is over normal dressing.
We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?
Goddd Changez, this person could be a girl you know, or just a freind who happens to be a girl. Relax
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Islam first and foremost instructs a woman (and man) to dress modestly. Meaning do not entice t/ opposite sex intentionally. Similarly, a male is instructed to lower his gaze w/ respect when he comes accross a female.
Now according to most Religious scholars, a woman must cover her hair w/ a head scarf (hijaab) cuz hair is by most standards considered a woman’s ultimate beauty symbol or so I have been told. Others say that as long as one is not showing /revealing her body she is dressed modestly.
Veil (covering your face xcept your eyes) actually comes from t/ Arab culture, when nomads used to travel thru deserts and to protect themselves from dust, they wud cover their faces. So it;s a matter of whom you talk.
But one thing is for sure. A “practicing” Muslim woman will never show or reveal her body parts. She will not feel t/ need to flaunt her body as this is considered very private, personal and sacred, not for every Tom, Dick and Harry to stare, crtique and lust! Simple
veil is not compulsary....
neither is hiding the face....
the woman has to cover her head (and hair) and her body from her neck to her ankles....
the hands maybe uncovered below the wrist....
and any dress that does not outline her figure (i.e. loose respectable dress) can be used....
The question about **veil or hijab **was asked to one of the professors representing Islam a political forum at my school.
He said its "encouraged" not "required" ... and only modesty is "required".
Anyone want to comment on that?
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are you kidding me, yourself, GOD? wherein Islam is a woman allowed to ‘befriend’ a man (especially a non-mehram) ?
I don’t have references from Quran right now, so I’ll shut up and not say whats in Quran and whats not.
Face may not be required to cover, but rest of the body should be so covered that body curves (beauty of body) do not show up.
But think about it, is it only body that makes a man look at a woman? or face is also part of it?
by your comments, it seems that face does not play ‘any’ part in attracting opposite sex.
We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?
Below is a link to an article that might help us understand why Muslim women wear Hijab.
THE QUESTION OF HIJAB: SUPPRESSION OR LIBERATION?
[Note: This is a MS Word document]
-Insha
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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
**The question about **veil or hijab **was asked to one of the professors representing Islam a political forum at my school.
He said its "encouraged" not "required" ... and only modesty is "required".
Anyone want to comment on that?**
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Hijab is FARD(Obligatory) and niqab is definitely encouraged in Islam. (inshAllah will try to get something on it). Besides hijab is modesty, I can't imagine being modest without observing hijab ???
"I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)"
(11:55-56)
I agree !!! women are not allowed to talk to non-mehram unless really needed. I’m sure there are lotsa ahadith on it. Does anyone know how AUTHENTICE the book Tabrani is ??? I got a hadith from it prohibiting women from talking to non-merham. As you said, rest of the body has to be covered as well. I THINK there are verses in Quran stating tht “women should cast their outer garment” or something similar to it. inshAllah will try to post’em too.
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Originally posted by Sadiaa:
** I agree !!! women are not allowed to talk to non-mehram unless really needed. I'm sure there are lotsa ahadith on it. Does anyone know how AUTHENTICE the book Tabrani is ??? I got a hadith from it prohibiting women from talking to non-merham. As you said, rest of the body has to be covered as well. I THINK there are verses in Quran stating tht "women should cast their outer garment" or something similar to it. inshAllah will try to post'em too. **
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Sadiaa and Changes-like....u guys are right about women not being allowed to be "friends" with non-mehrams....but did u ever stop to think that this person "curious-abt-u" could be a girl and was asking questions about a paki girlfriend of hers???
I don't want to achieve immortality through my work... I want to achieve it through not dying.
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Originally posted by ahmadjee:
**The question about **veil or hijab **was asked to one of the professors representing Islam a political forum at my school.
He said its "encouraged" not "required" ... and only modesty is "required".
Anyone want to comment on that?**
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There is a reason for everything in Islam. When you think about it, all rules make sense. Sometimes, cultural practices become mistaken for Islam.
I agree with this professor, from what I have read, Islam requires modesty for both men and women. I have not read about hijab in the Quran. I'm not claiming to be an expert on Islam, I may be mistaken. But those who say that hijab is required, please tell me where in the Quran it says that.
AoA, sure it could be a girl, I just responded to Changez like’s q.
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Originally posted by Yasmine:
** There is a reason for everything in Islam. When you think about it, all rules make sense. Sometimes, cultural practices become mistaken for Islam.
I agree with this professor, from what I have read, Islam requires modesty for both men and women. I have not read about hijab in the Quran. I'm not claiming to be an expert on Islam, I may be mistaken. But those who say that hijab is required, please tell me where in the Quran it says that.
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AoA,Hijab is FARD and something that is obligatory/fard in Islam cannot be optional. inshAllah will try to get some quotes from Quran soon.
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33. AlAhzâb
V.59
O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e.screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful.
24. An-Nûr
V.30-31
Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.). That is purer for them. Verily, Allâh is All-Aware of what they do. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts, etc.) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like palms of hands or one eye or both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms, etc.) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husband's sons, their brothers or their brother's sons, or their sister's sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islâm), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigour, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allâh to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.
24. An-Nûr
V.60
And as for women past child-bearing who do not expect wed-lock, it is no sin on them if they discard their (outer) clothing in such a way as not to show their adornment. But to refrain (i.e. not to discard their outer clothing) is better for them. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
inshAllah will try to get some more verses soon..
Thanks Sadiaa
I have some questions.
1) If Islam tells that women should wear the veil and dress modestly to avoid men's glares then is it not necessary for men to wear Veil in order to avoid women's glares???
2) If suppose a Muslim woman working in an organisation or on duty where wearing a veil is really difficult, then what should she do?
3) In case any woman falls very sick and has to be treated by a male doctor can she remove her dress ?
4) Is there any specific color code for the veil ??
1) If Islam tells that women should wear the veil and dress modestly to avoid men's glares then is it not necessary for men to wear Veil in order to avoid women's glares???
answer: cuz men have to work outside and in an islamic society, women dont go out of their homes so its better for them to stay hidden. its difficult for men to cover up and work.
2) If suppose a Muslim woman working in an organisation or on duty where wearing a veil is really difficult, then what should she do?
answer: she can seek another job and if completely no other option situation, she can work without a veil.
3) In case any woman falls very sick and has to be treated by a male doctor can she remove her dress ?
answer: a female doctor is preferred hoever, she is allowed to do so if it is extremely necessary.
4) Is there any specific color code for the veil ??
answer: no there is no such thing. hoever, unattractive colors r preferred, mostly black or some dark, gloomy color that wud not catch attention.
Victory,
If both men and women were to wear hijaabs/veils then it would be awfully difficult to differentiate the men from the women and vice versa. The man's veil in fact is his beard (especially in today's society), and as mentioned in one of the posts above from the the chapter 'An-Nur' he must try and keep his gaze lowered. Not only will this prevent him at looking at the female, but also his eyes will not attract any attention from the women, as you know, there is much beauty in the eyes.
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2) If suppose a Muslim woman working in an organisation or on duty where wearing a veil is really difficult, then what should she do?
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If she works in an environment whereby she is surrounded by females only, then by all means it is permissible for her to remove the veil. However, if her surroundings include men, then she should search for alternative employment by which she can feel more comfortable while practicing her religion, and without the dangers of attracting any attention if she desires to remove her veil.
As has been mentioned before on these threads, if the Muslim woman is in a critical condition, then it is perfectly allowable for a male doctor to examine her. These are extreme life threatening cases, where food stuffs which are otherwise ruled unlawful (such as pig meat) is also considered permissible under such circumsatnces, only to a limited degree that prevents the person from death, and if no other food is available.
As the brother has said above, there is no specific colour-code for the veil. A rule of thumb, however, would be those colours and tints that are not too attractive.
... and Allaah knows best.
kind regards
"No leaf falls except that He knows of it, and no rain drop forms except that He has willed it."
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in an islamic society, women dont go out of their homes so its better for them to stay hidden.
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This is not true at all. Let me give you examples of two woman of AnHazoor (saw) own household.
Hazrat Khadija (ra) was a business woman! Not only that she managed that before being married to AnHazoor (saw) but also afterwards. And you can't run a business sitting at home.
Hazrat Aysha (ra) is reported to be very social & out spoken in matters of state & society. She is reportedly been on the front lines in some battles along with the soilders, rather than just taking care of the wounded.
Saadia! THANK YOU for the qutations.
Though I am not comfortable with the "()" in the translations.
In this perticual instance by putting the brackets we actually limit the understanding of Quran to one way. If you read the translation without the 'brackets' you would realize the difference.
For woman & men it is required to cover up their bodies which in terms dictate modesty.
Woman at the time of AnHazoor (saw) didn't all used to do Parda (hijab) in one way-- Black outer clothing with only eyes being shown.