Is India a weak state?

Is India a weak state?

India has been called as a weak state numerous times, both by India and foreign experts. After every terrorist attack, such claims become even more common. Mumbai attacks were no exception to this and scores of socialites who were seen on News shows talked repeatedly about India being a weak state.

Some of the arguments that were made were just too ridiculous. Comparisons were being drawn between India and Israel or India and US. Why can’t India hit-back like Israel? When Osama attacked US, it hit-back with an invasion on Afghanistan, why can’t India emulate the same? If you visit some of the online forums, its is quite common for Pakistanis to ridicule the Indians using similar arguments.

A fact that is quite easily forgotten is that Israel has to deal with groups like Hamas and Hezbollah which neither have an air-force nor have any tanks or other armored force. India on the other hand is dealing with Pakistan, a nuclear power nation. The two are just incomparable.

India’s comparison to US is even more ridiculous. It is often argued that after the 9/11 attacks, US constituted Homeland Security department and since then there haven’t been any attacks on US soil. But what is easily forgotten that US is thousands of miles away from the epicenter of Islamic terrorism i.e. Pakistan, while India is just next to it. So it may be for US to invade Afghanistan without feeling any repercussions, but for India it is just not the same.

A better comparison would be to look at the recent happenings in North Korea and see if the US behaves any differently. North Korea conducted its second Nuclear Test last week. Simultaneously, it also conducted long range missile tests over Japan into the Pacific. It is believed that North Korea is now capable of hitting at least some of the US cities. Even though its weapons program is still at a very infant stage, the fear of nuclear weapons is immense. US allies in the region like Japan and South Korea were already in its range.

But the response from US has so far been measured. Apart from condemning the Tests, US seems to be working towards introducing fresh set sanctions and is presently looking to garner international support for same, particularly from China which has consistently supported the North Korean regime.

So where is the US bravado? It is quite obvious that US can’t use the same tactics it used in Afghanistan here. North Korea has the fourth largest in the World behind China, US and India. Its special forces are the largest in the World, believed to be around 180,000. It has developed long range missiles and now with its nuclear capability, it is miles ahead of Afghanistan.

Desicritics.org: India - The Weak State?

Another reason why there is a perception of India being a weak state is because Indian Govt and their intelligence arm RAW have rarely tried to showcase its achievements and choses to remain in the background. We don’t make movies on RAW while Hollywood keeps making movies showcasing CIA and its capabilities. The reasons are best known to the people in the higher echelons of RAW and I would not like to question that.

Perhaps the biggest achievement of RAW was breaking up Pakistan and creating a new entity called Bangladesh. If all the noises from Pakistan are to believed then RAW is actively involved in Afghanistan and Balochistan and is trying to keep Pakistan weak. The only problem is that it may take years before we get some results from their action. But that should not mean that they are not doing anything at all.

But since we are a democracy which offers right to speech, there will always be people to question the actions of the Govt. Hopefully this shall push it towards providing faster results on the ground.

I expect lots of readers may point towards India’s bureaucracy and inefficiency, towards how there have been serious lapses, how there was a scan in bullet-proof jackets, and so. I do not discount that, but I would like to distinguish inefficiency in operations from strength or weakness in decision making. It is easy to call someone weak without looking into the challenges faced and also on its constraints of resources.

Plus one can not compare INDIANS to COWBOYS ...............LOL...:D

Finally some indian is coming out of denial mode and admitting that INDIA IS VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN CROSS BORDER TERRORISM in neighboring countries.

So now just ask your countrymen to shut up about ISI and get ready to reap what you sow.

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why is it necessary to compare and try to find something better or worse? There will always be differences between countries due to location, culture, history, resources and so on.

It is really high time that Pakistan stop being a spoilt brat and start acting responsibly. And for India to start thinking like the big factor they are in the global arena.

^^ Do you really have to comment on each and every post without even reading what you are writing? There is perhaps a better way to increase your number of posts, send a PM to an admin...

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don't pick on me. what do you not agree with what I said and why?

:D

Curb your excitement, dude. This writer is not admitting anything, he is just talking about the hypothetical possibility i.e. if we believe what Pakistan says. :p

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**If all the noises from Pakistan are to believed **then RAW is actively involved in Afghanistan and Balochistan and is trying to keep Pakistan weak. The only problem is that it may take years before we get some results from their action. But that should not mean that they are not doing anything at all.
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Try harder next time ;)

Perhaps you should try harder next time and come out of this denial mode. ;)

The author clearly says:

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Perhaps the biggest achievement of RAW was breaking up Pakistan and creating a new entity called Bangladesh. If all the noises from Pakistan are to believed then RAW is actively involved in Afghanistan and Balochistan and is trying to keep Pakistan weak. The only problem is that it may take years before we get some results from their action. But that should not mean that they are not doing anything at all.
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A friendly advice to you indians, stop cross border terrorism ... NOW!

Or at least don't be such a cry baby when chickens come home to roost..

well said, but FYI: Indians are never involved in killings, terrorism, violence, wars etc...hell they don't even live on planet earth.

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Wonderful analysis brother !!!

Indians are the Taliban.. Indians are the terrorists who occupied Lal Masjid. Go crush them.

PS : By doing this you will be doing India a great favour.

India may support rebel activities, but I think it will be open one like the way we supported Bangladesh's Mukti bahini or the way we continue to support the Dalai lama.

After the 80s and 90s I feel that Indian agencies keep away from terrorist activities like bombings, but might provide moral and political support to groups like the Dalai lama.

You can never compare the terrorist activities in India and Pakistan, because pakistan has truly not faced a terror attacks like India for eg:

Terror attacks in India:

  1. Train bombings in Mumbai

  2. 26/11 attacks in Mumbai

  3. Serial Bomb blasts in Hyderabad (cinema halls, chat bhandar, parks)

  4. Serial bombs in Jaipur (temple, busy streets etc)

  5. Serial bombs in Ahmedabad (Business places, chowks, hospitals)

  6. Serial bombs in Delhi (business places, malls)

  7. Serial bombs in Varanasi (Temple)

  8. Serial bombs in Bangalore (malls, bus shelters, foot path)

and many more.... The intention was to kill and maim the people, to create communal tensions, to disorient the society and to cause disruption to the economy. All the targets were soft targets and civil targets and hence a 100% terrorist activity.

Compared to it, the terrorist attacks in pakistan are:

  1. Attack on army ordnance factory, Wah.

  2. Attack on police training school.

  3. Attack on the ISI centre in Lahore

  4. Attack on rescue centre in ISB

  5. Marriot attack

  6. Lankan team attack

and many more.... Most of the targets were police or army or associated centres. Common people were generally spared. The intention appears to take on the establishment, challenge the power centre and not create trouble for the common man (though indirectly that did cause a lot of trouble to common public).

To conclude, India has suffered much more than pakistan in terms of terrorist activities and involvement of the Indian agencies in the neighbours affairs is limited to moral and political support like the Tibetan example.

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Heii what Indian City Bangalore ? It is full of Kalashnikov weilding terrorists..................Public killings are not uncommon......

Tamilnadu,no need to explain............ IED's everywhere.....

Karela,full of RPG carrying youths.................. Land mine blasts almost a daily incident.

Andhra.................... Worthless to say............Grenade explosions mark the begining of a day.

All North Indian states.............. Goodness. Daily bombings...................

Kashmir........................ Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

North East states.............. Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Poverty,Unemployment,Cra bomb blasts,Riots,strikes,Monority harssment,Rigged elections,Mr.10 %,U.S drone bombings,Targeted killings etc etc..........OMG In India it's all happening.......................................................... :D

Where should Indians go and seek assylum?

Is it in the most beautiful,Prosperous,peaceful democratic Secular country on earth,Pakistan?

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It takes a very strong nation like India to decide not to act emotionally and just go bomb Pakistan when terrorist attacks such as 26/11 occurs.

It would have been very easy for the GOI to send a few squadrons into where the terrorist camps are located in Pakistan and destroy them - but the ensuing reaction from the already unstable Pakistan would surely include yet another coup and further support for the jihadi groups which will take our focus and resources away from development and poverty eradication.

Kudos to India for being strong!

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India is getting punished for the centuries of cruel treatment by Brahman Hindus to Shuddar, Sikhs, and dalits. Everyday many Sikhs, Shuddar and Dalits are killed in the name of Hinduism. Pakistan must attack India and liberate these people and show them the right path of Sunnah. Prior to the introduction of Islam in the Arabian peninsula, Arabian tribes were worshipping stones, statues, Sun, trees etc. Our dear beloved prophet(s.a.w.) came they saw the light and became muslims. Such move is necessary for Indians too. Things like idol-worshipping must stop in India- as neighbors Pakistanis feel angry and feel like doing something.

What are you talking about?? We beat someone more who is afraid more than someone who is not :hehe: Pakistan should beat more Indians :hehe:

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nope indian isnt a weak state, it is a power maximizer.

At last one sensible post in a predominantly muslim forum. Thanks brother for spelling out the exact reason why India has been victim of terrorist attacks all these days. Thanks for opening the secret that every day many sikhs, shudras and dalits are being killed in the name of Hinduism.

And the icing on the cake is ur golden advice to Pakistan to attack India and show to the world the right path of Sunnah of the holy prophet. I can feel the anger U Pakistanis feel while seeing Indians doing idol worshipping and U guys feel like doing something, something in accordance with sunnah.

In fact U guys have been really soft on India in punishing them, U didnt thought for a second in massacring (poor) Bangla deshis and showing them ur (so called) right path of sunnah. U didnt hesitate in devastating whole Nation of Afgaistan by being hand in glove with USA and showed the (so called) true path of sunnah to afghanis. How Islamic.

Full Islamic marks to ur posts. No wonder ur country is walking on the path of peace and prosperity. True muslim like U are real asset of Pakistan.

Peace.

Seems like you completely out of touch with reality. I suggest you read more on what Indian army chief said. Fanatical states foaming at mouth like India are nutered and shall remian in that state till eternity..

Re: Is India a weak state?

No ,India is a stong state.