Is India A Secular Nation?

Well India is considered biggest market of denim, if U weigh secularism by wearing jeans only. And how honest of U to quote just some stray incidents of women beating in a vast country like India. U seem to be a preacher of generalizations. Like those who brand whole Islam bad by seeing actions of few muslims. How sad that an intelligent guy like U speaks the language of jingoism.

And are U sure that Modi will become PM? Wait, elections have been announced, maybe if Ur prediction goes wrong than U can come out of ur misconception about Indian secularim, or I can wake up of my secular dream.

Peace.

Its kind of hard to make you understand the one line. Its not my fault if you don't follow. :) Ignoring the matter won't solve or help your crusade. You should totally try other ways. like calling a spade a spade.

Dear secular hindu friend. You are only fooling yourself if you believe India is a secular. The papers are full of evidence to the contrary every day. Please disprove me. You are the one who feels the need that people should be brought to the truth. Lets see you attempt to put light on this disallusion of yours, my secular amazing hindu friend.

That denim is perhaps worn by mostly men. But when women wear, they sadly get beaten or kicked while on floor.

Stray incidence??

Can't you see there are many many elements and actions by hindus to refute your assertion as somehow India is a 'secular' state? Obviously not.

One can paint an animal differently but even a drop of rain brings original color out. When head shows off the color underneath, you say, "oh its only head, animal still has some paint on other parts!"

You keep painting the animal but perhaps the animal should be kept in its original color!

Regarding Modi, I am not predicting anything nor I am basing my view only on his election being the PM . His election will be like another drop of rain to wash some false color off this painted animal. People do keep electing him repeatedly despite his heinous crimes. That's 50.6 million people of state of Gujarat my friend. About 90 percent Hindus in that state.

Anyhow this was may last response on this thread.

Take care.

My dear broher, U are only ignoring what ur heart says if U are contesting over this topic whether India is secular or not. I have repeatedly told U and other brother on this thread that why India is way ahead than others in terms of its secular status, but U guys are simply ignoring this fact coz Ur bias wont let U admit that fact. Its not my problem anyways. U say papers are full of evidence, but U failed to produce none which can suggest that ur claim has anything to do with truth.

And its second time that Mod have to edit ur post coz he might have noticed something that should not be allowed in civil debates like this one. I assure U that I wont mind it if U send me ur comments through PM. Just want to see how far can U go.

Peace.

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That denim is perhaps worn by mostly men. But when women wear, they sadly get beaten or kicked while on floor.

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Peace diwana

Well, sorry to say but U dont know anything except what ur India-bashing sources say about India. Denim is equally worn by men and women alike. And ur insistance towards this trivial isssue of denim is speaking volumes of ur honesty towards the topic in question.

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Stray incidence??

Can't you see there are many many elements and actions by hindus to refute your assertion as somehow India is a 'secular' state? Obviously not.

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OBVIOUSLY yes brother, Coz elements U are talking about are negligible if U see India as a whole. Cant U even see if majority of Indians are like what U are portraying them to be, than India would have been a Hindu Rasthra (Hindu Nation) long ago, and muslims would have been declared second class citizens. With right to vote to them only to elect their muslim leader, Muslim personal laws would have been abolished, and so would have haj subsidy, speacial budget for Madarsas and minority institution. Aligarh Muslim University would have lost its minority status, and so would have jamia millia Islamia, and other minority institutions. Students from all over world would not be coming to India to study Islam in Islamic institutions like Nadwa and Dar Ul Uloom Deoband. Like ur favourite Indians are hell bent on this notion, and muslims like urself are hell bent to see them on driving seat so that ur anti India vemom could become more fatal. Obviously U never had logics to deny my claims but threatening to quit. The thread is still wide open for U to judge, and remove ur ignorance.

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One can paint an animal differently but even a drop of rain brings original color out. When head shows off the color underneath, you say, "oh its only head, animal still has some paint on other parts!"

You keep painting the animal but perhaps the animal should be kept in its original color!

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Well brother, I will only say be open to hard realities, which one is in original and true form and which is a colored one is not hard for U to see.

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Regarding Modi, I am not predicting anything nor I am basing my view only on his election being the PM . His election will be like another drop of rain to wash some false color off this painted animal. People do keep electing him repeatedly despite his heinous crimes. That's 50.6 million people of state of Gujarat my friend. About 90 percent Hindus in that state.

Anyhow this was may last response on this thread.

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Ya U can say that majority of about 43 million hindus have elected Modi, while majority of about 755 millions hindus have rejected his policies and vision repeatedly. U and likes of U are obsessed by those 43 million Gujrati hindus and are continously ignoring rest of 755 millions. I can do nothing but pray ALLAH to bring U to right path of judgement. AMEEN.

Happy quitting.

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Take care.

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U too take care brother, and thanks for sparing time to post on thread.

Peace.

Dear, India can never do wrong - and is the most piously secular country in the universe, sir. I am unsure of what your intentions are. It seems that your crusade has been unsuccessful and you have been frustrated by this event, and thus continue to try to get the last word in as consolation.

No one but you here, thinks that india is super amazing secular country. Don't you think this popular sentiment (indians and pakistanis on this board) has some color of truth? :)

[note] Final warning, no personal comments, and try to keep it civilized[/note]

India can do wrong just like any country can. No doubt about it. And may not be most piously, but definetely most honestly secular country in the world. (Just to correct U brother). To add something to ur knowledge, frustated ppls try to get consolation in uncivilized remarks which U have been repeatedly firing at me in ur last three posts. Mod has been really kind to remove that insults. It will give bad name to this civil forum, otherwise I could have requested mods not to remove them, coz I never get intimidated by these kind of language. I personally get enough of it in my own public life by some of my own ppls who feel that I m somehow brainwashed and a pseudo secularist. LOL. U definetely seem to share their mental make up albiet with a different religion perhaps.

Truth cant be a lesser truth if just one person speaks it. India is secular, may not be amazingly as U seems to have suggested.

Next time plz dont try to spit towards sky (GS forum in this case), U know where it will land.

Cheer up now, I have something to make u feel happy, read it.

Tar Damni Pe Sheikh Hamari Na Jaaiyo
Daaman Nichor DeN To Farishtey Wazoo KareN.

Pl read it just as a couplet, nothing more.

Peace brother.

Dear friend. Thats great news! Now, its the tip of the ice berg I must warn you...more upsetting news for you ahead. But let me scale back, as I don't want to dampen any hopes. This is a good start. No, this a GREAT start. :)

It's fantastic that you are starting to realizing the truth that everyone already knows. :)

p.s.: also you keep assuming I am muslim AND pakistani. this is also not true, like your other assumptions.