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Yeah this is what IK needs to inculcate in young people,** c**haracter and honest values.
While we must not tar everyone with the same brush,** even some educated Pakistanis are corrupt. Dr Tariq Mahmood charged with health care fraud **
http://www.geo.tv/GeoDetail.aspx?ID=99846
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AP uncle… bs aapki ijjat krti hun… 
one source is me, myself and I… yesterday we Collected almost £200 just in a 2 hour ladies gathering with only about 50 women in all, managed on a lower scale!!
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^ they were considered Muslims (according to pakistans constitution) till 70's (Bhutto).
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so who stopped general society and leaders like Imran Khan to talk against this discrimination? kiya Bhutto iss purpose ke liye abhi tak zinda hai?
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Yaar, some people never get tired of starting one controversial topic after other with sole purpose of derailing the thread.
And if we say something about it, we get infractions.
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so who stopped general society and leaders like Imran Khan to talk against this discrimination? kiya Bhutto iss purpose ke liye abhi tak zinda hai?
Yes yeh Bhi imran ka Qasoor hay...thanks
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Yes yeh Bhi imran ka Qasoor hay...thanks
the thread has been opened to discuss Imran's statement about Qadyanis. Imran who is being consider second Quaid e Azam by emotional youth. So where is the comparison? I don't know what made him to give such statement at this time, but it certainly lost his appeal to a group.
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^ they were considered Muslims (according to pakistans constitution) till 70's (Bhutto).
Law is something else, but I doubt that this was true. Someone asked zafrullah khan about attending Jinnah's funeral and he said that 'I am either a Kafir foreign minister of an Islamic nation or an Muslim foreign minister of a Kafir nation…’
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the thread has been opened to discuss Imran's statement about Qadyanis. Imran who is being consider second Quaid e Azam by emotional youth. So where is the comparison? I don't know what made him to give such statement at this time, but it certainly lost his appeal to a group.
As long as qadyanis life and property is respected, then why should it be forced for other muslims to accept them when they (the ahmedi firqa as the lahori one is nearly gone) don't consider muslims who don't believe in Mirza as a prophet to be muslims in the first place?
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the thread has been opened to discuss Imran's statement about Qadyanis. Imran who is being consider second Quaid e Azam by emotional youth. So where is the comparison? I don't know what made him to give such statement at this time, but it certainly lost his appeal to a group.
Do you realise that the issue is being played up by a group of religious parties declaring imran khan himself a kafir?
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Do you realise that the issue is being played up by a group of religious parties declaring imran khan himself a kafir?
If it is so, isn't it better for him to keep silence on this controversial issue?
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Don't know if Imran has shown his true color or not, but some here on Gupshup definitely have by aiming their drones at Quaid-e-Azam.
For them Bhutto is greater than Quaid-e-Azam and done the greatest service to Pakistan by not accepting the mandate of Bengalis.
Coalition of PPP/MQM is no coincidence. Both hit Quaid-e-Azam at every opportunity they can get.
How pathetic!
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As long as qadyanis life and property is respected, then why should it be forced for other muslims to accept them when they (the ahmedi firqa as the lahori one is nearly gone) don't consider muslims who don't believe in Mirza as a prophet to be muslims in the first place?
I know Pakistani people need a lot of time to throw away such discrimination (that would be real Inqilab IMO). But don't you think a statement like this under current conditions is not needed at all.
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If it is so, isn't it better for him to keep silence on this controversial issue?
He has been pushed into a corner, hence important for him to clear himself. Ideally I would have preferred him to stay silent, but that would have cemented the claims of the opponents. Fatwas are going around based (upon these rumours) against imran khan and PTI, the other thread is an example.
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He has been pushed into a corner, hence important for him to clear himself. Ideally I would have preferred him to stay silent, but that would have cemented the claims of the opponents. Fatwas are going around based (upon these rumours) against imran khan and PTI, the other thread is an example.
come on Ali. We know mentality of Molana Diesl. No one respects him, but I was not expecting this from IK at this stage.
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come on Ali. We know mentality of Molana Diesl. No one respects him, but I was not expecting this from IK at this stage.
Sms are doing rounds even at the moment regarding this issue, anyways I have got nothing else to say on this topic. I believe everyone should have equal rights within the country but I don't think we would ever achieve that considering the polarisation and with the speed it's increasing.
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Amending the constitution cannot be in any party’s manifesto. It would be quite irresponsible. It’s good that IK was smart enough not to fall into their (journalists’) trap or say something controversial or stupid right before the election or-else the media would have taken him to the cleaners. This is a very sensitive issue which should be debated by parliament. Imran Khan is a politician not a religious scholar.
Don’t make it sound like IK said there is no place for Ahmadis in his Naya Pakistan.
This just means he will not pronounce them muslims. He didn’t say that they will be deprived of basic rights or will be ignored. Being citizens of Pakistan they will have every right to live, to educate, to flourish
Who in the first place declared Ahmadis Non-Muslims, the so-called liberal PPP. For the last 5 years PPP and MQM ruled Pakistan, good that they have human rights in their manifesto, but did anyone ask them why they didnt abolish the said clause in the constitution? Can you tell me one amendment that MQM+PPP+PMLN+ANP proposed to amend the said clause?
PTI will not allocate human rights based on religion. And he is firm on it.
Accepting Ahmadis as muslims is a separate debate altogether
And yet people find IK the root of every problem 
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I am so glad is molana-fazl-ur-rehman against PTI, so we got fatwa and one qadiani low-blow.
ok… ok…
If it was Tahir-uul-qadri, you know who he was going to be visited in his long descriptive dreams??
and what would be said against PTI, in that dream to qadri ?
Pakistan under PTI would be safest place for
Muslim
Christians
sikhs
hindo
qadianis
Women
Childern.
trees
plants.
rivers.
birds.
in general its called prosperity, which you Pakistanis have no idea about 
Qaid wont be quaid, with out pakistan.
Bhuto wont be bhuto with out being in Govt.
You childern have not see IK yet, saber ker lo thora sa… saber!!
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This reminds of me the classic example of supposedly pro Middle Obama vs the Jewish lobby, for those who followed and clearly remember his first presidential campaign. The only difference here is that unlike Obama, Imran has no serious PR team or mature advisors who could do the damage control or write scripts for him. Plus he hasn't got time to evolve his statement.
For those who criticising Imran's statement are actually very well aware if the that a remotely pro-Qadiyani statement from him would have almost sparked a civil war in Pakistan. He's been talking about religious tolerance (with reference to Jews and Christians living in Muslim countries during the Golden Age period), basic human rights and legal protection in literally all his jalsas and interviews. So if you allow the common sense to prevail, he's exactly the type of person who has the ability to diffuse the tension between Qadiyanis and the general Pakistani population.
