Is homosexuality destroying our family structure?

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You did not say that was the only option. But when you asked me to provide list of other options it does appear you did not think of those options. :slight_smile:

Let me ask you a couple of questions.

What do you think the straight parents living now and those who are no longer there would feel their child would be adopted by gay couple? ( Afterall this is not what they would intend being straight themselves)

What if the child grows up and regrets being brought up by gay couple instead of straight couple?

The reason for asking is that no matter how 'some; people would approve of gay couples, all societies have vast majority of people who do not. Any problem with this satement??

No you did not waste your emotions on ‘thing’ :rotfl: like me . Show different and better emotions and this thing will…oh well… be impressed!

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I think gender used to imply a known and established division of labor, which it no longer does. So it is not homosexuality which is threatening our family structure. It's that we do not always know how to deal with the many responsibilities that are part of being adults and family members. Society does not clearly tell us anymore what we are supposed to do, so the division of labor is murky. In each home, the interactions amongst family members and their roles and responsibilities need to be newly defined and often reevaluated, in order to maintain happy and productive homes. That of course requires communication, something we are not all always good at.

Anyway, this kind of reevaluation needs to occur, whether the couple is gay or straight. And unless it does, stability is hard to find.

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I think gender used to imply a known and established division of labor, which it no longer does.
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Yes it still does. Just because some people want to blur the boundaries does not mean majority for centuries holding a clear view needs to be changed. Of course people still go by traditional gender roles, but the point is that they do not have to any longer. You cannot make that assumption any more. It is something that needs to be discussed and agreed upon, rather than taken for granted.
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So it is not homosexuality which is threatening our family structure. It's that we do not always know how to deal with the many responsibilities that are part of being adults and family members.
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Society does not clearly tell us anymore what we are supposed to do,*

Again, it still does In different ways. It is no longer clear cut or absolute.

so the division of labor is murky.

Some people may believe it. Does not mean it is true. The point IS that SOME people believe it, which means you can't assume things one way or another.

In each home, the interactions amongst family members and their roles and responsibilities need to be newly defined
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Why? Simply because you can not assume, without discussion. That's not to say one is abandoning traditional roles; rather, that each family has to decide for themselves what the roles will be. And it has to be addressed. A woman should not *assume
that a man will earn more money than she does, just as he should not assume that she will pick up after him. But it can/does still happen, of course.
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and often reevaluated, in order to maintain happy and productive homes.*

Really? and does this mean gender roles should be swapped or completely revolutionized? Why? Has there been such a problem with what has been accepted since the beginning that there is a need for a change? Nope, that's not what I said at all. Please see above.

*That of course requires communication, something we are not all always good at.

Anyway, this kind of reevaluation needs to occur, whether the couple is gay or straight.*

Not sure what you mean. The societies are happy with what is norm and they do not have to change anything for few who may have different inclinations. I'm not sure which societies and which norm and which inclinations you are referring to.

And unless it does, stability is hard to find.

There is no instaibility which needs to be corrected or changed. While some roles have always been shared or overlapped, a man will always be man and woman will always be a woman. Instaibility will come if their roles are to be changed. Right?
Instability is borne out of uncertainty. When change occurs, and it DOES and HAS occurred, there is bound to be questions about how it will affect our daily lives. The point is that even if one wants traditional gender roles or a traditional family structure, one needs to make sure that one's partner wants it as well.

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Please do clarify how all of your points relate to homosexuality.

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Hm, good question.

Homosexuality has existed since God knows, but it has been hidden pretty much.
I honestly don’t mind homosexual people, but what I do mind is Desi parents forcing the gay guy to marry a girl. I know a lot of girls who married a man who was actually gay (arranged marriage) and the marriage didn’t even last a month, because… yeah, he just couldn’t do it. Everyone believes it’s the woman’s fault, i.e. she wasn’t a good person, couldn’t cook, was lazy, etc. again, lies from the in-laws. In fact, the guy’s parents are so stubborn and cannot accept his sexuality that they force him into marriage (and he’s not better when he can’t deny)

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As I said in my original posts, it is NOT homosexuality that has challenged the family structure. I was talking of ALL families, not simply families with same-sex couples as parents.

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Very interesting that you used the bold part in the sentence. :)

It means :

You equate 'same sex couples', to 'opposite sex couples' as 'families'.

Not true based on general concept of all major religions and vast majority of people belonging to all societies.

Concept of word 'Family (Unit family), like the term 'marriage' is far from two same sex indviduals living together and trying to prove they are SAME as oposite sex couple living together.

What I am saying is that homosexual individuals despite being treated and accepted as human being should not be accepted as 'normal' couples.

No hatred should be there for them just because they are 'abnormal'.

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What my teacher has told me (and I agree with this) is that gays are born the way they are. It's something that is inside them, however it is not something that makes them "abnormal". Indeed many animals were found to be gay, there was this type of fruit fly we were studying in uni a few years sgo that exhibited such behaviour.
Practising this sexuality, being open about it is, ofcourse, another matter. It is haram (I'm sure we all know about what happened at the time of Prophet Lut (as)?) A man or a woman who is homosexual, if they refuse to succumb to their "nature" for the sake of Alla, won't they be loved by Allah? Isn't that a type of jihaad on their parts?

same sex parents are just not right, that's just my personal opinion, I don't know any families like that, however I do know a few gays and bi's (>which is something that I really do not agree with)

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It only destroys a family if the family resists it's existence. Family should be a refuge, a place for us to express ourselves and feel safe in doing so. We should be accepted and loved for who we are, and what we are (the exceptions being those that deliberately harm others).

While the religious standpoint would be to reject homosexual actions, just the same as any other form of zina, anyone exercising conditional love for their family by shunning them isn't worthy of love themselves. I find it abhorrent that people take further offense against homosexual zina as compared to hereosexual zina. Both actions are weighted as the same sin, yet one is more easily forgiven than the other (by us). I wonder, is that due to our own sexual weaknesses? As it concerns the story of sodom, you should read it again. It was destroyed not merely because of homosexuality, but because those men were trying to force themselves on others. Homosexual rape still equals rape. What we should all have taken from that story would be that rapists should die, not that homosexuals should die.

Pertaining to gay adoption, we should be 100% behind all forms of adoption, to heterosexual couples, to singles (male and female), and to gay couples. Anyone in disagreement either has no knowledge on the statistics of sexual abuse and even death in orphanages and the foster care system, or they simply don't care about those children. And here's a quick tid bit-- children in foster care are up to 11times more likely to be abused, over 5 times more likely to die from such abuse, and up to up 75% of children in foster care suffer some form of sexual abuse. I encourage you to verify this for yourself.

I personally would accept my child regardless of their sexuality. I would make it known how I felt about any actions they took, but I would support them so long as they harmed no one, were safe, and happy. If any sin is committed, it is between them and God. It is not easy to be gay, regardless of how accepted you think it is. Many, if not all go through periods of self hate, and even suicidal depression because they don't feel "normal." And to tell them they are not normal is a blatant lie, because they clearly would choose to be straight if it were possible.

So instead of treating them like victims OR like perversions, treat them the same as you'd like to be treated. That is unless, you think you're better than them because you never had to deal with anything so deep.

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Honestly, I'm pretty disappointed with how this thread has turned out. Knowing my Pakistani brethren as well as I do, I was expecting open season for unrestrained gay bashing, not a drawn out defense of private consensual behavior among adults.

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maybe TLK can explain why the above multinick is tolerated. Is it to discuss his/her personal martial issues, or to soft-troll? this is what 90% of the multis do. why protect these idiots?

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This is such an amazing thread Queer. Come on now :naraz:

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I reckon he meant Sandals Niks.

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Who is Sandals? I want him out of my closet.

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i just read his old posts, and he sounds like me. :\

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throwing chappals at sandals

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Exactly.

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What did I do this time? >.< I'm not a "multi-nick". I'm just the Sandals in your closet.