Is FIL considered Mehrem? [a split from :Covering head with dupatta ]

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Re: Is FIL considered Mehrem? [a split from :Covering head with dupatta ]

Gr8Heera: It's in the Quraan!

Do you believe in that?

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Shareef and educated women who feel ashamed after reading your posts will also not like your mentality. :chai:

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Re: Is FIL considered Mehrem? [a split from :Covering head with dupatta ]

I'm not making statements.

If I'm wrong I want to clearify.

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I know that shareef women very well. Thanks for telling me.

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What is wrong with you? Are you a man or a woman?

Did you just generalize the hell out of all women or is it just me?

So everyone who is opposing you is basically a liberal who chases handsome men with see through dupatte and sleeps with randome men and yada yada yada?

How about I say most men are drunk pigs that chase women in barely-there clothes at night but spend their daytime in the office posting comments about being conservative Muslims? Hm? Islam is only for others brother? Not for you? Hijab is only for the woman's hair but not for your eyes right?

You should be ashamed of yourself for saying such things when there are so many respectable women present here.

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That should have ended the discussion. There's nothing more to say about it.

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LOL

Yes you are right there are many respectable women on GS. I know that.

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If I'm wrong then I want to correct me. If you guys are wrong then I want to explain to you. Thats it. That way we can learn from each other. No one can be perfect in anything.
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No one is trying to claim they are perfect

We said FIL is mahram
You said FIL is not mahram
You said to show where does it say that in the Quran and I posted verse 4:23, which clearly identifies who is mahram and who is not
Yet you still say FIL is not mahram
And you dont bring any proof to validate your statement, despite your demanding that we bring proof

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What you posted is not to nikah to those. It doesn't say FIL and MIL becomes mahram to you.
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Again...you cannot marry them because they are your mahram
So you cannot marry them..you do not have to cover in front of them..you can be alone with them..you can travel with them..you can go to Hajj with them..in other words, they are your mahram

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In which ayat it say FIL and MIL is mahram to you. I heard in a ayad that Allah told who are mahram but I'm sure there was no FIL and MIL.
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Again, as posted before, from Surah Nisa verse 23:

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***Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:-* Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful**

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**The husband’s father is a mahram for his son’s wife **

Is it permissible for my wife to shake hands with my father?.

Praise be to Allaah.

Yes, that is permissible, because when a man makes a marriage contract with a woman, his father becomes a mahram for her, as does his son from another wife. And her mother becomes a mahram for him, as does her daughter from another husband.

This is called a mahram by marriage.

The evidence that the husband’s father is a mahram for the son’s wife is the verse in which Allaah mentions the women who are mahrams (interpretation of the meaning):

“the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23]

So the wife of the son is a mahram for her husband’s father.

The evidence that the husband’s son is a mahram for his father’s wife is the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And marry not women whom your fathers married, except what has already passed”
[al-Nisa’ 4:22]

The evidence that the wife’s mother is a mahram for her daughter’s husband is the verse in which Allaah mentions the women who are mahrams (interpretation of the meaning):

“…your wives’ mothers”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23]

These three (the husband’s father, his son and the wife’s mother) become mahrams as soon as the marriage contract is done, and that is not subject to the condition that the marriage be consummated.

With regard to the wife’s daughter, she does not become a mahram for her mother’s husband unless he has consummated the marriage with her mother, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“ and your stepdaughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in — but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters),”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23]

The stepdaughter (rabeebah) is the daughter of one’s wife.
See al-Mughni, 9/514, 524.

In conclusion: the husband’s father is a mahram for his son’s wife, so he may shake hands with her and be alone with her and travel with her. See questions no : 5538 , 20750

And Allaah knows best.

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Islam Question and Answer - The husband?s father is a mahram for his son?s wife

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**Is the father of one’s ex-husband a mahram? **

As a woman of Islaam what should my relationship with my ex father-in-law be? Is it necessary for me to cover in his presence?.

Praise be to Allaah.

The husband’s father is considered to be a woman’s mahram even if her husband divorces her, because Allaah says, stating who a one’s mahrams are (interpretation of the meaning):

“the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23]

In this case, the father-in-law becomes a mahram simply as soon as the marriage contract is completed; if a man makes a marriage contract with a woman, then the man’s father becomes a mahram for his son’s wife, even if the marriage is not consummated.

This is what the scholars called al-mahaarim bi’l-musaaharah (mahrams by marriage).

The women who become mahrams through marriage are of four types:

1 – Women married by one’s father (i.e., father’s wife and also grandfathers’ wives). Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And marry not women whom your fathers married”
[al-Nisa’ 4:22]

2 – One’s wife’s mother or grandmother:

“Forbidden to you (for marriage) are… your wives’ mothers…”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23 – interpretation of the meaning]

3 – One’s stepdaughter (a wife’s daughter by a previous husband). The stepdaughter is not a mahram unless the man has consummated the marriage with her mother. If he simply made a marriage contract with her but did not consummate the marriage, then she is not a mahram, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“your stepdaughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in — but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23 – interpretation of the meaning]

4 – One’s son’s wife and one’s grandsons’ wives, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23 – interpretation of the meaning]

From Jaami’ Ahkaam al-Nisa’ by al-‘Adawi, 5/302

Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… your wives’ mothers, your stepdaughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have gone in — but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), — the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins …”
[al-Nisa’ 4:23]

These three are mahrams by marriage. The phrase “your wives’ mothers” means that it is haraam for a man to marry the mother or grandmother of his wife, no matter how far the line of ascent reaches (i.e., great-grandmother, etc), whether that is through the mother’s line or the father’s. She becomes his mahram as soon as the marriage contract is done.

If a man makes a marriage contract with a woman, it becomes haraam for him to marry her mother and she becomes one of his mahrams even if the marriage with her daughter is not consummated. If it so happens that the daughter dies or he divorces her, then he is still a mahram for her mother. If it so happens that consummation of the marriage is delayed, then he is still a mahram to her mother; she may uncover her face in front of him and he may travel with her and be alone with her, and there is no sin on him, because the mother and grandmother of the woman become mahrams as soon as the marriage contract is done, because Allaah says “your wives’ mothers”, and a woman becomes a man’s wife as soon as the marriage contract is done.

The phrase “the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins” means that it becomes haraam for a man to marry the wife of his son or grandson, no matter how far the line of descent extends, as soon as the marriage contract is done. The wife of one’s son’s son (grandson) becomes a mahram to the grandfather as soon as the marriage contract is done. Hence if a man makes a valid marriage contract with a woman, then he divorces her immediately thereafter, she becomes a mahram for his father and grandfather, no matter how far the line of ascent reaches, because of the general meaning of the phrase, “the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins”. The woman becomes permissible for her husband as soon as the marriage contract is done.

From al-Fataawa al-Jaami’ah li’l-Mar’ah al-Muslimah, 2/591.

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Islam Question and Answer - Is the father of one?s ex-husband a mahram?

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Re: Is FIL considered Mehrem? [a split from :Covering head with dupatta ]

midnighteyes's post has already clarify this.

FIL is mehram till you are in Nikkah with his son. Once that is over (by Divorce or death), FIL becomes Na Mehram

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Re: Is FIL considered Mehrem? [a split from :Covering head with dupatta ]

Chalo ub naya fatwa aya.

Now decide if FIL is mahram after divorce and death.

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Re: Is FIL considered Mehrem? [a split from :Covering head with dupatta ]

Moving this to Religoin.

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Re: Is FIL considered Mehrem? [a split from :Covering head with dupatta ]

What you posted CE that is not to make FIL and MIL mahram that is only you can't marry.

Not to marry doesn't mean FIL and MIL becomes mahram.

Who are mahram there is a verse in quran in which Allah clearly said who are mahram's there Allah didn't say that FIL and MIL are mahram.

Would you please post that ayat that tells us who is mahram and who is not.

I'm not asking who to marry and who not to marry that is diferent.

Allah in 1 verse said that you are not allowed to marry wife of someone that doesn't mean she becomes mahram to all guys.

Try to understand difference.

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If you guys insist on wrong thing that FIL and MIL are mahram which sure is not.

Then why in india some molvi gave fatwa to marry her daughter in law when he raped her daughter in law.

Kia un molvion nain bhung pi lia tha. Jub her school of thought mantay hain kay FIL and MIL are mahram.

India kay saray jahil molvion nain us kay mahram say nikah karwa dia??? LOL

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Re: Is FIL considered Mehrem? [a split from :Covering head with dupatta ]

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Would you please post that ayat that tells us who is mahram and who is not

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Why dont you?

Instead of continuously repeating that we are wrong, why dont you bring the proof yourself that proves that your FIL is not your mahram

I have already posted information that is more than sufficient to prove that FIL is in fact mahram. I dont care if you accept it or not. But if you insist on insisting that it is wrong (despite all the proof) then why dont you once and for all bring your proof to prove what you are saying

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:smack:

Where in Islam does it say that if you rape someone you are supposed to marry them (instead of getting the punishment for this horrible crime and sin)

If the maulvi ruled for that, then obviously he does not know what he is talking about. Just because he calls himself a “maulvi” doesnt mean that he knows what Islam is about

I have posted 3 fatwas from very knowledgable scholars stating that FIL is indeed mahram. Thanks but I’ll take their opinion over your maulvis anyday!

Still waiting for you to bring your proof. And no this “ruling” from your “maulvi” doesnt count as valid proof

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And as if more proof is needed to prove that FIL is indeed mahram:

From Surah Noor, verse 31:

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and **not display their beauty except to* their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss. *

Still waiting for you to bring your proof to validate your claim that FIL is not mahram

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The Arabic word mahram is defined as a person with whom marriage is permanently forbidden. There are three general categories:

  1. Blood relative mahram
  2. In-law mahram (MIL, FIL, stepfather-in-law, stepmother-in-law)
  3. Fostering mahram

These are people who are permanently forbidden for you to marry, even after the death/divorce of a spouse.

The fatwa issued in India was completing and totally misguided and haraam, as several scholars have written about previously.

Please sister be very careful claiming to have knowledge of something that is not correct.

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Thanks Midi that's what I wanted now I will listen to that verse and talk then I'll post here.

Many thanks to you.