Is FIL considered Mehrem? [a split from :Covering head with dupatta ]

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FILs are mehram :slight_smile:

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Re: Covering head with dupatta

^ Really? I didnt know that!

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Are you sure?

Amnay Samnay: TLK & NIK
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Yes of course the father-in-law is mahrem! Even if you get divorced or your husband dies, your FIL is still your mahrem
BILs are not mahrem

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"I heard a man was saying to his friend yaar itnay lambay balon main kitni sexy lugti hai is say meri shadi karwa day"

That's what we are order in quran.

That's what we are order in quran.

No FIL is not mahram. You are so very wrong.

No FIL is not mahram.

FATHER IN LAW IS NA MAHARAM.

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Re: Covering head with dupatta

Usually I ignore these kinds of posts but since you’re so persistent may be it’s better to tell you: 1) follow your own advice and ONLY worry about your own self 2) I said it before and will say it again :cheer: FILs are mahram, FILs are mahram 3) Every single poster here does not have to agree with you.

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True, FILs are mahram.

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For G8Heera:

Uh no YOU are so very wrong. Father-in-law IS mahram

Yes he is!

FATHER IN LAW IS MAHRAM!!!

Seems like you are the one inventing your own “new Islam” buddy :snooty:

From Surah Nisa, verse 23:

Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father’s sisters, Mother’s sisters; brother’s daughters, sister’s daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives’ mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful

Prohibited to you for marriage = your mahrams!!!
Your wives’ mothers = your mother-in-law!!! (also includes grandmother-in-laws)
Wives of your sons = your daughter-in-laws!!! (also includes granddaughter-in-laws)

^ Obviously the same goes for both genders (father-in-laws, son-in-laws)

So yes, father-in-law is mahram to daughter-in-law and mother-in-law is mahram to son-in-law. They are the same as your own father & mother

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The father-in-law is your mahram - this is in every school of thought, and spelled out clearly in the Quran. There is no room for your opinion on this issue.

Al-Jumuah Magazine Issue 5

Any woman with whom a man has a relationship (of blood or fosterage) that precludes marriage, is considered a Mahram to him.

Mahram women include his mother, grandmother, daughter, granddaughter, sister, aunt, grandaunt, niece, grandniece, his father's wife, his wife's daughter, his mother-in-law, his foster mother (the one who nursed him), foster sisters, and any foster relatives that are similar to the above mentioned blood relatives as the Prophet (SAW) said, "What is forbidden by reason of kindship is forbidden by reason of suckling." (Al-Bukhari)

These are considered Maharim because Allah (SWT) mentioned them in the Holy Qur'an: "And marry not women whom your fathers married, except what has already passed; indeed it was shameful and most hateful, and an evil way. Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster mother who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives' mothers, your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have go in - but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), - the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed; verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (An-Nisa 4:22-23)

All the man's female relatives mentioned in these two verses are considered his Maharim, because it is unlawful (haram) for him to marry them, except the wife's sister mentioned last, who is not a Mahram because he can marry her if he divorces her sister, or if she dies. Reciprocally, if a woman is a Mahram to a man, such as her brother, her father, her uncle, etc. then he is a Mahram to her. All other relatives are considered non-Maharim and they fall under the category of strangers to her, except one's wife or husband who is also called Mahram.

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Re: Covering head with dupatta

Again you guys are so very wrong. Father in law and mother in law is not mahram.

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Every man except for ur Father and husband is Mahram

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Sorry to say in say nikah karna mana hai per maharam naheen ho jaatay.

Where in quran or hadith it says that father in law and mother in law are mahram.

You can hence prove that they are mahram because they can't have nikah.

Nikah karna to kisi ki biwi say bhi kisi mard ka mana hai to is tarha koi ghair aurat kisi ghair mard kay liaay mahram naheen ho jati jub tuk wo kisi aur ki biwi na ho.
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Sorry but you totally do not know what you are talking about!
Even if your husband dies or you get divorced, his father (your FIL) is STILL your mahram.
I dont know why you are asking where does it say in the Quran, when I already SHOWED you where does it say in the Quran (4:23) and like Amana said, every school of thought agrees with this opinion. Instead of repeating over and over your own (wrong) opinion that FIL are not mahram why dont you bring some evidence to back up your claim --oh but wait you cant, because there is none (because you are wrong :) )

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Only the girls who obey Islam will agree with me.

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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ok sure whatever :)

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My dears,
Yes, this is getting off topic, but I think the confusion is that some posters are confused about the definition of mahram. A mahram is:

Mahram: an unmarriageable kin---a male relative you are **not **allowed to marry.

So as seen above, mahram men include brothers, sons, fathers, father-in-laws, nephews, and others in the same line--this is made clear in the Qur'an.

A father-in-law is mahram---even if you divorced your husband he would be forbidden to you as a possible marriage partner.

Wikipedia actually has a pretty decent entry on this.

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Say what?!?!?!

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Re: Is FIL considered Mehrem? [a split from :Covering head with dupatta ]

TO REITERATE: FATHER IN LAWS ARE MAHARAM!!!!! No dupatta or hijab is necessary in front of him.

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Q: Who are the mahrams in front of whom a woman can uncover?
what people can a muslimah take her hijab off from?

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Praise be to Allaah.

It is permissible for a woman to take off her hijaab in front of her mahrams.

A woman’s mahram is a person whom she is never permitted to marry because of their close blood relationship (such as her father, grandfather, great-grandfather, etc., and her son, grandson, great-grandson, etc., her paternal and maternal uncles, her brother, brother’s son and sister’s son), or because because of radaa’ah or breastfeeding (such as the brother and husband of the woman who breastfed her), or because they are related by marriage (such as the mother’s husband, the husband’s father, grandfather, etc., and the husband’s son, grandson, etc.). More details on this subject are given below:

Mahrams by ties of blood

These are the ones mentioned in Soorat al-Noor, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons…” [al-Noor 24:31].
The mufassireen said: the woman’s male mahrams by ties of blood, as stated clearly in this aayah or inferred by it are as follows:

1- the woman’s forefathers, no matter how far back the line of ascent goes through her father and her mother, such as her father’s forefathers and her mother’s forefathers. As for her husband’s forefathers, they are her mahrams by marriage, as we shall see below.

2- her sons, which includes her children’s children, no matter how the line of descent goes and whether they are descended from males or females, such as her sons’ sons and her daughters’ sons. As for her “husband’s sons” mentioned in the aayah, these are the husband’s sons from other wives, and these are her mahrams by marriage, not by blood, as we shall see below.

3- her brothers, whether they are her brothers through both the mother and father, or through the father only or the mother only.

4- the children of her siblings, whether they are descended through the males or females, such as the sons of her sister’s daughters.

5- paternal uncles and maternal uncles. They are mahrams by blood even though they are not mentioned in the aayah, because they are like parents and are regarded by people as having the same status as parents, and a paternal uncle may be called a father. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya‘qoob (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, “What will you worship after me?” They said, “We shall worship your Ilaah (God — Allaah) the Ilaah (God) of your fathers, Ibraaheem (Abraham), Ismaa’eel (Ishmael), Ishaaq (Isaac)…” [al-Baqarah 2:133]. Ismaa’eel was the paternal uncle of the sons of Ya’qoob.
(Tafseer al-Raazi, 23/206; Tafseer al-Qurtubi, 12/232, 233; Tafseer al-Aaloosi, 18/143; Fath al-Bayaan fi Maqaasid al-Qur’aan by Siddeeq Hasan Khaan, 6/352)

Mahrams by radaa’ah (breastfeeding)

A woman may have mahrams through radaa’ah. It says in Tafseer al-Aloosi:

“The relationship of mahram which permits a woman to show her adornments may be through radaa’ah as well as through blood ties, so it is permissible for a woman to show her adornments to those who are her fathers or sons through radaa’ah.” (Tafseer al-Aaloosi. 18/143) The relationship of mahram by radaa’ah is like the relationship of mahram by blood – it means that marriage is forever forbidden by virtue of that relationship of mahram. This was the view stated by Imaam al-Jassaas when he commented on this aayah. He said (may Allaah have mercy on him): “When Allaah mentioned the fathers and that their marriage to these women is forbidden forever, this indicates that the same prohibition applies in other relationships of mahram, such as the mother of the woman and those who are mahrams by radaa’ah, etc.” (Ahkaam al-Qur’aan by al-Jassaas, 3/317).

The same things are made haraam by radaa’ah as by ties of blood.

It also says in the Sunnah: “The same things are made haraam by radaa’ah as by ties of blood.” This means that the people who are mahram to a woman because of blood ties are also mahram because of radaa’ah. It was reported in Saheeh Muslim that ‘Aa’ishah Umm al-Mu’mineen (may Allaah be pleased with her) said that Aflah the brother of Abu Qu’ays came and asked permission to see her. He was her uncle through radaa’ah. This was after hijaab had been revealed, so she refused to give him permission. When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came, she told him about what she had done and he told her to give him permission. (Saheeh al-Bukhaari bi Sharh al-‘Asqallaani, 9/150). This hadeeth was also narrated by Imaam Muslim, where the wording is: from ‘Urwah from ‘Aa’ishah, who told him that her uncle by radaa’ah, who was called Aflah, asked permission to see her and she did not let him. She told the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and he said to her, “Do not observe hijaab in front of him, because the same relationships of mahram are created by radaa’ah as by blood ties.” (Saheeh Muslim bi Sharh al-Nawawi, 10/22)

A woman’s mahrams through radaa’ah are the same as her mahrams through blood ties

In accordance with the Qur’aan and Sunnah, the fuqahaa’ have stated that a woman’s mahrams through radaa’ah are the same as her mahrams through blood ties. It is permissible for her to display her adornments before her mahrams by radaa’ah just as it is permissible for her to display her adornments before her mahrams by blood ties. It is permissible for her mahrams by radaa’ah to see whatever of her body it is permissible for her mahrams by blood ties to see.

Mahrams by marriage

A woman’s mahrams by marriage are those whom it is forever forbidden to marry, such as the father’s wife, the son’s wife or the wife’s mother. (Sharh al-Muntahaa, 3/7).

The mahram by marriage of the father’s wife is his son from another wife, for the wife of the son it is his father, and for the mother of the wife it is the husband. Allaah says in Soorat al-Noor (interpretation of the meaning):

“… and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons…” [al-Noor 24:31]. Their husband’s fathers and their husband’s sons are mahrams of the woman by marriage. Allaah mentioned them along with their (the women’s own) fathers and sons, and made them all the same in the sense that women may display their adornments in front of them. (Al-Mughni, 6/555)

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Islam Question and Answer - Who are the mahrams in front of whom a woman can uncover?

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What you did here same like kuffar who use to do that to Muhammad SAWW and these day to muslims too.

Kay kaheen ki baat kaheen pay jor' di. Mujhay is say koi farq naheen par'ta.

Yahan main nain yay bhi daikha hai apni kahi huwi baat say saaf mukar bhi jatay hain. Yay sub aap logon ka apna fail hai so aap ko khud is ka ajar milaay ga Insha Allah.

I said that about naam niaad ka duppatta yani parday aur Islam kay munh pay parday kay naam paay tamacha.

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This is very wrong. Please go back and read---midnight eye's post!!!

I will actually post it again because i really think its worth it!

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**A woman’s mahrams by marriage are those whom it is forever forbidden to marry, such as the father’s wife, the son’s wife or the wife’s mother. (Sharh al-Muntahaa, 3/7).

**The mahram by marriage of the father’s wife is his son from another wife, for the wife of the son it is his father, and for the mother of the wife it is the husband. Allaah says in Soorat al-Noor (interpretation of the meaning):

“… and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons…” [al-Noor 24:31].

Their husband’s fathers and their husband’s sons are mahrams of the woman by marriage. Allaah mentioned them along with their (the women’s own) fathers and sons, and made them all the same in the sense that women may display their adornments in front of them. (Al-Mughni, 6/555)

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Re: Is FIL considered Mehrem? [a split from :Covering head with dupatta ]

I forgot to say I don't believe in any school of thought. They are just to divide muslim.

There was not a single school of thought in presence of Muhammad Sallallaho Alaihi Wasallim.

Some school of thought even say sood is jaiz in case. But Allah didn't mention in case about sood in quran.

I know ppl here are so very very liberal except 2 or 3 persons and who they are I know.

I know will get opposition a lot because I'm not liberal.

Who use see through dupatta and chase handsome man on the roads and sleep with guys without marriage or live with guys in same home will not like my mentallity.

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Re: Is FIL considered Mehrem? [a split from :Covering head with dupatta ]

Oh dear Lord, did you just compare the way I responded to your statements in the way the nonbelievers used to respond to Prophet Muhammad pbuh?? :smack:

Sighs :chai:

You just keep writing all these fluffy statements without ever justifying your position. You cant just come and make up statements about Islam without backing them up. You dont have to agree with what we are saying (that FIL are mahram), but if you are saying that we are wrong and you are right, then why not at least bring some evidence to validate your claims. Thus far you have brought nothing and yet you still keep arguing as if though you have a leg to stand on

We have to be very careful when we talk about Islam. You dont know, someone may read your words and take them as an authority on Islam and act upon your words. So dont you think you will be (we all will be) asked about what did we say and do in the name of Islam and what impression did we leave to others about Islam. So if you are going to make a statement about what is allowed in Islam and what is no allowed in Islam, then at least bring clear proof to validate what you are saying