Is fear...

[psyah]

Re: Is fear…

@Gora_Kala

No, I am not comparing myself with Shakespeare, just to let you know, he “invented” or “coined” thousands of words. Language, my friend, is not divine to its entirety, it evolves and that is exactly why I use “self-created” metaphor. More so being a poet (also, and now blushing) plain words starts dying if I don’t add symbols. I, therefore, humbly request to please allow me to use words with the freedom of choice……Thanks.

With that said, I don’t mean that every word or metaphor that has evolved is an epic.

I agree a candidate for the root cause may not be the root cause in all situations, yet must have manifested a lot to be designated as one. I can understand the symbolic connection in your example to the question that I asked but you may also know that there is always a point to start with. A discourse, be it political, intellectual or academic always finds its way unless the intention is to make it happen.
I agree fear should not be “root cause” for every immorality, neither did I say that yet it is one of the reasons that I wanted to discuss.

I liked “misplaced fear and imbalance wisdom” though I can argue that wisdom cannot be imbalanced, if it is then it is not wisdom because wisdom is what balances the imbalance, yet a self proclamation does not make one wise.

Peace Gora Kala

When I asked why … I meant as in “what was your reasoning”? Not as in … “why, you can’t write this” I was asking what made you connect the the term “fear” with “god of devils” ?

Regarding poetry … it seems you jumped grammar class and went straight to rhetoric … LOL

Secondly yes you are right about wisdom imbalanced - I actually meant to say “intellect imbalanced” creating a state which is not wise.

[Gora_Kala]

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Ok, that is why language alone is not always sufficient to convey the message the way messenger intended to.

I used fear in a way because it is predominantly associated with the perception of loss and loss is never shared but inflicted upon others (To me fear of Allah is associated with hope rather than loss).

Cosmetic beauty of language finds its true home outside the boundaries of old school grammar, rhetoric is the force that drives the oration and the audience alike (I am generalizing without qualifying it) .

I agree, intellectual imbalance may exist but other than the naked truth,which can not be denied, it is mostly a contextual perspective rather than anything else.

[psyah]

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@Gora_Kala

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Ok, that is why language alone is not always sufficient to convey the message the way messenger intended to.

I used fear in a way because it is predominantly associated with the perception of loss and loss is never shared but inflicted upon others (To me fear of Allah is associated with hope rather than loss).

Cosmetic beauty of language finds its true home outside the boundaries of old school grammar, rhetoric is the force that drives the oration and the audience alike (I am generalizing without qualifying it) .

I agree, intellectual imbalance may exist but other than the naked truth,which can not be denied, it is mostly a contextual perspective rather than anything else.

The place for rhetoric is when ambiguity is not being compromised - it is more important for me to be understood and communicate my idea than sound profound. I have not fully understood what you have written above however … I feel fear is not a loss at all.

Rather it is what happens to us “in order to prevent a loss” … sometimes “there is no loss to be prevented” and at other times “the risk is real” … but we can only fathom this by intellectually evaluating the situation. Some people are afraid of the dark, but with careful consideration they can reason with that fear … However, fear is good when the threat is real … because fear is the culmination of our senses going on high alert, we become quicker, stronger and more numb to pain when we feal afraid … however the side affect of that is that we become kind of paranoid as well … if we use our heads to control that aspect then we are in good stead.

This is why I said that “the question pre-supposes that fear is bad” - assuming that you consider “loss” to be “bad” - which is also semantically not bad either … When an aging boy loses his puppy fat and starts to look more manly for example he considers it a good thing.

[Gora_Kala]

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Compromised ambiguity makes a statement “unambiguous “and nothing is profound without being clear if not perfect.

I think you know very well what “perception of loss” is, it can be justified or it can be unjustified. Fear can be real or psychological.

The fear of darkness is a loss of the perception of security. The fear of darkness among kids is more or less same as fear of loss of job in adults, the loss of security and comfort.

What I have understood so far is that we are talking same thing with a different emphasis.

You want to talk about specifics (mostly, but use generalization where it suites your argument), I am more into generalization mostly.

You are taking fear as phenomenon; I am talking about state of mind

You are trying to bring a real scenario into it, I am trying to stay at perception.

You want to bring religion into the discussion; I am trying to avoid that.

You are trying to handle fear positively; I am talking when it is mishandled.

You are talking about common people; I am trying emphasis on the people with position and power in this day and age.

I am talking loss ( of position and power) that has no comparison; you are measuring loss against the gain.

Brother, we are miles away from each other though we might be on the same road.

When you say “I feel fear is not bad at all” you are saying same thing that I said when I asked “is fear god of devils”

Have a nice evening, I am out now…….

[psyah]

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Yes I meant to say … Clarity being compromised … = ambiguity.

However, I said sound profound, not be profound.