Is covering the head really FARD? Or just an Interpratation? Convince me

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Thanks for understanding what Im trying to say. First of all let me tell you about the verse in surah ahzab, if taken in context it shows that there were hypocrites who used to do 'Buhtaan' (make flase claims) against the Muslims. The reason was that there was no exact difference between sex slaves and muslims, so Allah first cleared them up that the muslims are innocent and next He gave the solution. That is: O Prophet order your wives and daughters and women of the believers to wrap/near around/over themselves their Jilbab, that is best that they should be recognized and not be annoyed. First we all agree that this verse was a specific to the time of the Prophet as it starts with 'O Prophet' and not 'Say to the beleiving women or whatevr'. Next we need to interpret this verse in the light of another verse, the only verse I can find simmilar to it is in Surah Anfaal where Allah says 'Against them (The disbeleivers) prepare your strength to the utmost of your power, including horses of war, and cast fear in to the hearts of Allah's enemies and your enemies', because this verse is also specifically revealed to to the Prophet and it has a purpose beihind it. Look at these phrases:

  1. **'So that they may be Recognized and Not Annoyed' *2. **'And to Strike fear in to the hearts of enimies'

***So these two verse have a reason, the reason for the verse of the Jilbab was to differentiate oneself from bad women. And the verse of the horses was to cast fear in to the hearts of enimies.

One has two options:

  1. To say that the verse of Jilbab indicates that the Jilbab is fard for all people of all times - but then you would HAVE to admit that use of Horses in war is also fard for all people of all times
  2. To say that the verse of Horses actually means that you are supposed to do things that would make your enemies fear you and does not exactly mean that using horses is fard - but then you are also going to have to say that the verse of Jilbab also means that we have to do things that would differentiate us from sex slaves and wear clothes that would make us look respectable and the use of Jilbab is not exactly fard

You get what Im saying? And if you are wondering that do I have a teacher? then my teacher is Allah. but if you want sources then Muhammad Asad who translated and commented on the Quran also agrees with me, as he said:[FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman][size=2]
The specific, time-bound formulation of the above verse (evident in the reference to the wivesand daughters of the Prophet), as well as the deliberate vagueness of the recommendation thatwomen"should draw upon themselves some of their outer garments (min jalabibihinna)" when in public,makes it clear that this verse was not meant to be an injunction (hukm) in the general, timelesssense of this term but, rather, a moral guideline to be observed against the ever-changingbackground of time and social enviorment

So one can see that the Jilbab itself is not fard for all times, but looking like a respectable women is what is fard. Just like using horses is not fard for all times, but preparing your strength and striking fear in to the hearts of enimies is what Allah wants. So please stop quoting Surah Ahzab, if you get what Im saying. If not, then you and I are on different pages.

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Yes I didn't read it. I think that's why I got it confused. Is it available?

Can I get a copy of your work? I'd love to read it so that I would better understand what you are trying to say.

I will not go for any surah or hadith. I would go here just based on what my mind accepts because I believe most of us follow our mind and do not care to look into the matter from the religious point.

The common sense indicates that clothing and means of traveling (in war or peace) is entirely a different thing. Clothes were used for the same purpose from the start of time till the world ends. So that is something that can be made to follow a pattern for eternity. Wearing silk and gold were declared haram for men and there is no debate on it till now. All Muslims acknowledge it. So why is it a matter of debate over the hijab? If hijab in any sense gets to be worn upon choice of culture then I guess men can wear silk and gold too.

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Peace werewolf

Your question is sound ... the truth is that we are a combination of 'aql and naql ... that is "reasoning" and "tradition" ... so when we use siwaak is the Sunnah the actual stick or is it the brushing to clean the teeth? Some will argue one or the other, but I have always maintained that both are a Sunnah. I use the siwaak (maswak) as a Sunnah, but I also use the modern brush and paste because the teeth become whiter and more protected, less bristles fall out and they are easier to come by.

The real question is to what extent do we emulate literally, and to what extent do we embody the spirit of the message, and how to answer the question whether one can be achieved without the other or not.

Hijab is no different - Khimar is a means to outwardly cater for hijab, but is it the only means? Can hijab be observed without khimar? Do we make assessments based on relativism or absolutism? i.e. relatively modest = hijab, or absolutely dressed and behaved in this way = hijab?

As for silk and gold - today there is no debate - we should not feel the need to aggrevate that ... so we leave it alone ... however with the onset of post-modernism and the fitnah that is created with the western ideals taking Muslims away from their Deen, the coming of feminism that makes the balance of Islam seem somehow backward, together creates a puzzle for modern day scholars - they need to either depart encouragement to the Muslim women to be firm or they need to accommodate them when times are hard ... another look at the source material regarding hijab reveals some aspects that can rightfully be eased ... at least as a temporary measure to make it easy for Muslims to live their lives.

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  1. When I was comparing the verses I was comparing their structure:

Both verse were revealed in and for a specific environment, the Jilbab was when hypocrites were falsely accusing the Muslims, the horse one for war time
Both verses were specifically for Prophet's time
Both verses have an objective and a mean to accomplish that objective, Jilbab for differentiating oneself from bad women, horses to cast fear in the hearts of enemies

The objective behind the verse of Jilbab was that a woman should look like a respectable woman and NOT a bad woman, and the Jilbab was the best mean at their and in some areas of this world still is to accomplish the task. This however does not mean the Jilbab is fard as I told you, in my country, in my city, in my town a Jilbab is a sign of a bad woman. If you go off wearing a Jilbab, and men assume you are a woman who is interested in *** then are you accomplishing the task laid out by Allah or going against it?

  1. Clothes arent ONLY used for ONE purpose, clothes are used for showing off, for looking s**y, as a status symbol, you know, poor people wear this and rich people wear that, for starting a new fashion, you know, every woman is wearing flappers and then out of the blue a woman steps out wearing a choori daar pajama and causing the whole world to follow her, this happens a lot here in Pak, or at least according to my observations, and to cover oneself. Just like that animals have different uses as well, to travel, to do farming jobs, to cast fear in to the hearts of enemies. The opposing team comes to visit you and they see around 500 horses all lined up and they will be like 'oye mar gaye'. Thus saying that clothes are used for one perpose is umm...sorry..but not correct (No offence)

  2. The silk and gold hadith have a total different meaning, their wisdom was that 'Silk and Gold are for people of heaven' or something along those lines, since this is totally depended on the hereafter and has NOTHING to do with this world. We must follow it and not interpret it according to our era because we CANT interpret it. Unlike the verses of the Jilbab and Horses.

  3. "Sunnah" has been misinterpreted as well. Sunnah means something NEW by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, may Allah raise him to that special station, I think it was maqam e mahmood). e.g. drinking is not Sunnah, but drinking in three breaths and while sitting is a Sunnah. Eating is not Sunnah, but starting from what is near to you is Sunnah, and eating less is Sunnah. Miswak is not Sunnah (cuz I think the concept of miswak was already established) but using Miswak after eating, before wudu, after waking up etc. is a Sunnah. I might be wrong on this one, but saying that LITERALLY everything he did as Sunnah doesnt make sense, I mean next you will tell me wearing clothes is also a Sunnah? No, but starting from the right side is Sunnah. Just like that, a beard isnt a Sunnah, but a beard without a mustache is a Sunnah. Like some people have short beards and also mustaches, they arent doing the Sunnah AT ALL unless they have a nice groomed beard without a mustache, then it is a Sunnah. As for your question, the main Sunnah was to clean the teeth and the Miswak was the only and best way to do it so Prophet Muhammad did it, even then everybody (I think) used to use a Miswak but using it before wudu and specific times done only by the Prophet were and are Sunnah. If you love the Prophet then there's nothing wrong in using the Miswak of course.

  4. As far as the Khimar is concered, the thing is, that verse is a universal verse. We have to see what is the concept of Khimar and WHY? did Allah use it. The khimar is understood as the piece of cloth worn over your basic shirt. Like a headscarf of the Arabs, a Dobatta of South Asians, a Scarf of western clothing. It is possible to cover your bosom without the khimar, but the best way today to do that is by the khimar, that second layer of cloth over your shirt. And always will be, as this is a universal verse. Suppose a woman goes off wearing a hoodie, its made of very think materials, yet it will never be able to PERFECTELY cover the bosom. The same way if you go off wearing a shirt, then a sweater and wear a coat over it, still your bosom's shape will be visible unless you get a scarf over it. You get my point? The reason for this interpretation is that unlike the verse of the horses and jilbab, this verse is a universal verse. This is why Allah has left it open to interpretation. The main objective here is to cover the bosom with a khimar. Not only the use of khimar, and not only the covering of the bosom. Of course in more chilly areas where people wear those very very thick jackets which look oike they have air filled in them, then you dont need a khimar as that fat jacket serves the purpose as it has foam, air and lots of layers of cloth. The point is to mainly cover the bosom but in cases where your normal shirt wouldnt perfectely do it you must use a khimar. Besides, after a deep study of the verse, it says 'Wal Yadribna Bikhumurihina Alaa Juyubihinna'. Yadribna, is a very interesting word to study. It literally means 'Strike', but we need to see how Allah has used this word in other verses. The root of this word is 'Dha Ra Ba', in Urdu, 'Zaad, ray, bay'. Allah has used the same word in Surah Nisa where Allah says when you find disobeidiance on your wives side, then first tell them to stop, then part your beds, and then beat them. The word Allah uses here for 'Beat' is 'Adribuuhonna' which has the same root has 'Yadribna'. Next in Surah Muzammil Allah says '..... Therefore recite of the Quran so much as is feasible. He knows that some of you are sick, and others journeying in the land, seeking the bounty of God, and others fighting in the way of God...' Where Allah says 'Journeying' Allah has used the word 'Yadribuuna' same root as 'Yadribna'. There are many other examples as well. But the general meaning is 'Conncect' 'Over' 'Strike' as when you hit someone, your hand 'Connects' with the one being hit's body and your hand gets 'Over' his body. When you walk over the earth your feet 'Connect' with the earth, they go 'Over' the ground. Thus from Quran's own language, the meaning of 'Yadribnha' actually means to 'Connect', or 'Pull Over'. So Allah is saying that you should Connect/Draw/Pull Over/ with your 'Khimar' over/on your 'Juyubihinna'. So far I have just analyzed 'Yadribna', next we need to focus on 'Khimar'. The word Allah has used is 'Bikhumurihinna' which can be broken down as 'Bi' 'Khumuri' 'Hinna', Khumur is the plural of Khimar, Hinna means 'Their', but why did Allah use 'Bi'? Bi means 'With', for example Allah says do not associate parters with Allah in several verses and Allah uses the term 'Birabihim' wich means 'With your Lord'. So Allah says cover your bosoms *with **your Khimar. This further strengthens my point that it does not exactly mean that the head needs to be covered. Cause if Allah used the term 'MinKhumurhinna' then it would have been translated as 'From their Khimar' which would have Also made sense, if Allah wanted that part of the Khimar stays while part of it covers the Bosom. But Allah said 'With' which would mean Cover you bosom with as in whole of your khimar. Note that in the verse of the Jilbab, Allah used the term 'MinJalabibhinna' which means 'From their Jilbabs' that meant, that whatever their Jilbabs already covered, should be kept covered and it should be extended to cover even more. There is a big difference between Min and Bi, that is 'From' and 'With' respectively. If I was talking with you in person, I would have given alot more detail but my hands get tired quickly so I've shortened my *speech lol. All good is from Allah and all bad is my own mistakes and through satan, the cursed. Forgive my spelling mistakes.

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Lets put it this way, in rulings which are subject to change of enviorment and were revealed for the enviorment of the Prophet, we take the spirit of the message and interpret it according to the ever changing society. In rulings which are generally for all times and are not subject to the ever changing society, and/or are matters of religion and not worldly affairs, such as Salah Hajj etc. We do them the way the Prophet did them and do not interpret them according to our selves because we can’t interpret them in the first place. And finally verses which are generally orders for all times and are not religious obligations but worldly matters, and have the ‘Objective by Mean’ Structure as the verse of the Khimar as I explained in the previous post, need to be obeyed as a whole, in other words, the mean is also fard and so is the
objective. But the mean does not necessarily has to be exactly the way the mean of the Prophet, but rather the mean’s concept needs to be understood. Examples:

  1. Verse of the Jilbab:

Context: Specifically for the Prophet
Objective: Be Recognized as Decent Women
Mean: Jilbab

Conclusion: For the time of the Prophet and in this time as well in many (But not all) countries a Jilbab was/is fard because it was/is the best and only way to be recognized and not be annoyed. But here in Pakistan or at least in my town a Jilbab will actually go against the commandment of Allah rather than going with it, thus Jilbab is not fard but whatever here in Pakistan will give a women a respectable look is fard. As long as it covers what Allah has ordered for her to cover in Surah Nur, which has been explained by me in my book.

  1. Verse(S) of Prayer:

Context: For all people, a religious obligation

Objective: To be successful in this world but mostly in the Hereafter

Mean: The Salah itself

Conclusion: Since this is an order for all times, and this is a matter of Deen this must be done exactly the way it was done by the Prophet, peace be upon him. This is one of those ways to be successful in the hereafter which is not comparable to anything else. Also this is not subject to society as this has nothing to do with society. Thus it must be and can only be done the way the Prophet did it. In other words it’s fard and it’s fard the way it was done by 7 Century Arabia.

  1. Verse of Beating Wives

Context: General verse for all times

Objective: To make Wife obedient

Means: Beat her

Conclusion: This is a general verse but not a religious obligation. It stands in the middle, we must see what the Prophet did but at the same time interpret it as well. The Prophet said that don’t strike their faces and don’t wound them and use a Miswak or a rolled up paper. Now the Prophet ordered the use of Miswak but that doesn’t mean ONLY a Miswak, one can use a pen, pencil, toothbrush, bamboo stick etc. And don’t forget the Wisdom behind it, that is to make your wife obedient if she continues to disobey even after splitting beds. So if you grab a toothbrush and just slowly start to ‘tuck tuck tuck’ her back, she would probably laugh then be scared so rather see the wisdom and if you take it from that perspective, rather than slowly touching her you can make an angry face and wave it in the air as that would cause more fear in her than just ‘pecking’ her.

You get by point bro? We can’t take everything literally but at the same time not take everything metaphorically either. Worldly matters and religious matters are two different things. And worldly matters specifically for 7th century arabia and worldly matters for all times are two different things as well. Oh and Salam to you](“tel:8806603)”)

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Finally after analyzing Yadrbna and Khimar, lets analyze Juyubihinna. Many people translate it as (Faces, Hair, Bodies, Bosoms) but they are plain ol' wrong. There is no doubt that Juyubhinna is originated from the word Jayb which means pocket, but genrally, something which is closed from all sides but has an opening. Like in Surah Naml Allah orders Moses (Peace be upon him) to put his hand at his Jaybik and it will come out glowing. Jyubihinna can be broken down has Juyub Hinna where Hinna means 'Their' and Juyub is the plural of Jayb. Lets study more on what is exactly a Jayb. Both words which are used in Surah Naml and Surah Nur, Juyub and Jayb respectively both are orginated from the root 'Jeem Ya Ba'. So both of them Should have a simmilar meaning. In Surah Naml Allah orders Moses to put his hand in his Jaybik, which many translators and Ibn Kathir have translated as 'Opening of your garment'. And its interpretted to mean that Allah here is talking about his sleeve opening, his underarm. So now we can see that I was right when I said that Juyub actually means anything with an opening. In Surah Nur, Allah is talking about the collar opening of a women's dress. But we can translate it as Bosom. So after analyzing all words, we can see that we are supposed to connect/draw/pull over our Khimars over our collar openings. In other words, women are supposed to block all possible ways that would cause their bosom to be visible.