Is Christianity the only way?

[Ibrahim]

Ibrahim earlier: * Isaiah 46: 9. Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. 10. I make known ** the end from the beginning,** from ancient times, ** what is still to come.** I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please. 11. From the east I summon a bird of prey; from a far-off land, ** a man to fulfill my purpose. ** What I have said, that will I bring about; what I have planned, that will I do. 12. Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted, you who are far from righteousness. *

Old man: The man from the east is Cyrus, the war-like king of Persia, that God would use to overthrow Babylon who oppressed Israel. By reading from chapter 44 to 47 one can clearly see the issue in context. Chapter 44v28 identifies the person who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of Jerusalem, “Let it be rebuilt,” and ogf the temple, “Let its foundations be laid.’” In chapter 45v13 we read I will raise up him (Cyrus) in my righteousness: I will make all his ways straight (meaning his plans will bear fruit). He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free, but not for a price or reward, says the Lord Almighty.

Ibrahim says: Old man , thank you for your perceptions, but let me remind you the key words on that passage I quoted and let me remind you that scriptures are not stories or best sellers where you will find the author , writing things in an order that we are used to reading. As such prophesies can appear in any passage within a chapter which is talking about different issues.
W focus your attention on.

1. God is talking about the end, not in-between but the end because he has revealed it from the beginning

2. The references here and most important of all is the Fulfillment of God’s ** purpose,** which again is about the end, ** where a MAN, not a Christ, but a man . who will full fill God’s purpose**

3. If you claim this was Cyrus the Christ than you have denied Christ Iesus, , if you say he ( a man) was Christ you have denied your own belief that he is God, son of God, so either way you lose.

Let me tell you who is Cyrus

45: 1. "This is what the LORD says to his ** anointed, to Cyrus,** whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:

45: 13. ** I will raise up Cyrus in my righteousness: I will make all his ways straight. He will rebuild my city and set my exiles free,** but not for a price or reward, says the LORD Almighty."

But 46:9 is actually cross referenced to
Deuteronomy 32:7 Remember the days of old; consider the generations long past. Ask your father and he will tell you, your elders, and they will explain to you.

Ibrahim says: hence it was with regards to what will be the end and not with regards to Cyrus the Christ. , which was not the end of prophesy or the world.

Since Jerusalem nor the temple lasedt as it should have, according to this prophesy there was NO fulfillment . In fact when Christ said he will send another comforter, it was that comforter who will fulfill not Cyrus nor Christ.

This prophesy did come to pass as written in Ezra chapter 1v1 In the first year of Cyrus, king of Persia, in order to fulfil the word of the Lord spoken by Jeremiah . Jer.25v8-14.

Ibrahim says : **Exactly this is with regards Cyrus the Christ, who was prophesied by Jeremiah and not the prophesy given by Isaiah in 46:9.

Kindly read.

2 Chronicles 36:22 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the LORD ** spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah ** might be accomplished, the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying,

this is cross referenced to :-

Isaiah 44:28 who says of Cyrus, `** He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of Jerusalem, “Let it be rebuilt,” and of the temple, “Let its foundations be laid.” '**

Ibrahim says: and this was fulfilled at the time of Ezra

Ezra 6: 14. So the elders of the Jews continued to build and prosper under the preaching of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah, a descendant of Iddo. ** They finished building the temple according to the command of the God of Israel and the decrees of Cyrus, Darius and Artaxerxes, kings of Persia. **

15. ** The temple was completed ** on the third day of the month Adar, in the sixth year of the reign of** King Darius.**

Ezra 1: 1. ** In the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, in order to fulfill the word of the LORD spoken by Jeremiah,** the LORD moved the heart of Cyrus king of Persia to make a proclamation throughout his realm and to put it in writing:

BTW In the year 1971, ** Iran celebrated the 2,500th anniversary of the founding of the monarchy by Cyrus.**

BTW: Isaiah was writing about Israel in exile in Babylon (present day Iraq) when he made the prophecy which obviously made Persia (present day Iran) the country to the east!

Ibrahim says which may be for you, but that is not what the Bible says, since Cyrus the Christ , was already mentioned in Isaiah 44:28 and which Jeremiah expanded on in 25:8. But nor doubt cyrus became great ** but Never accomplished building the temple or accomplished the end of purpose as mentioned in 46:9

Ibrahim wrote: * Kindly turn to Deuteronomy, chapter 33, verse 2, Moses prophesied some events:

“And he said. The Lord came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; He shined forth from Mount Paran, and he came with ten thousand saints. From his right hand went a fiery Law for them.” *

old man: This verse was written by Moses to illustrate the greatness of God Almighty and is not a propphesy as Moses wrote in the past tense: “came from Sinai”, “rose up from Seir”, and “bshined forth from Mount paran”.

Ibrahim says : Old man none of the books of Moses were written by Moses because Moses wrote in the Bible. he knew where he was buried, ** which is absurd, so all you read were written by others not Moses. **

Kindly read:-

5. And Moses the servant of the LORD ** died there in Moab, as the LORD had said. **

6. ** He buried him in Moab,** in the valley opposite Beth Peor, but to this day no one knows where his grave is.

7. Moses was a hundred and twenty years old when he died, yet his eyes were not weak nor his strength gone.

Ibrahim says : thus you seem to be having erroneous views, unless of course you believe Moses remembered to write this before he died .

Second kindly read:-

Deuteronomy 33

1. ** This is the blessing that Moses the man of God pronounced on the Israelites before his death.**

Ibrahim says which means it was with regards to what will come to pass in the future .
Try harder old man, you might be able to swallow the ten thousand saints too

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BTW: No Muslim will accept that the Prophet Muhammed is God Almighty, and clearly Moses wrote The Lord…shined forth from Mount Paran. Obviously Ibrahim can let his imagination go…..

Ibrahim says: which is not an Issue, because what you are reading is an English translation a word which has been corrupted. Second you are twisting old man, because as I wrote earlier each of those appearances is which regards to establishing laws/guidance for mankind.

This is a FACT, but for Christians they are capable of denying anything, it seems.

• Habakkuk 3:3-7: “God came from Teman, and the Holy One from Mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens and the Earth was full of his praise. And his brightness was as bright as the light. He had horns coming out of his hands; and there was the hiding of his power. Before him went pestilence and burning coals went forth at his feet. He stood and measured the Earth. He beheld and drove asunder the nations; the everlasting mountains were scattered, the perpetual hills did bow: His ways were everlasting.” *

Old man : Again we see that the prophet wrote in the past tense.

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Ibrahim says: So tell us who wrote Habakkuk?

BTW, can you tell us, if any other religions ways have been everlasting as that of what Muslims do?

The prophet refers to God that lead his people, the Israelites, out of Egypt through Teman and Paran. Teman and Paran took in the whole of the south of Judah, including Sinai. The prophet Habakuk is saying a prayer to God reflecting on the deliverance done to Israel and God’s future deliverance of Israel and the judgement of their enemies.

Ibrahim says kindly read in Hebrew and se why you have been deceived by erroneous translations

– Romanized Hebrew
Habakkuk 3:3 ** ‘Elowha** miteeymaan yaabow’ ** wqaadowsh** meehar-paa’raan celaah kicaah shaamayim howdow uuthilaatow maal’aah haa’aarets.

Ibrahim says : the words is Elowha, which is pronounced as Alowha = Allah, not Christ not Cyrus not God or any other but Allah.
Refer to Strong 6918
ROMANIZED- qadowsh
PHONETIC-kaw-doshe’

or qadosh {kaw-doshe’}; from 6942; ** sacred** (ceremonially or morally); (as noun) God (by eminence), an angel, a saint, a sanctuary: --** holy (One), saint.**

Ibrahim says: So again you fail , old man

BTW: Only God Almighty can be called “The Holy One”.

Ibrahim says : which means even your ‘Holy Bible: and your popes and saints are also false, don’t you think so? You said it not me!

• Isaiah 9: 6 For unto us a child is born , unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, the everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. *

Old man: This verse clearly refer to Jesus Christ. What we do have here is a child being born, being called Almighty God, Councellor, and everlasting Father stating again the Tri-une God (Father , Son, and Holy Ghost).

Ibrahim says that would be absurd, since Christ NEVER had any government under him, and he was never called wonderful counselor ( which when translated to Arabic will be Muhammad) and nei5ther was he prince of peace ( Islam) and as I said earlier Mighty God and everlasting Father, cannot be born and is not a human being , but an addition in this verse due to the corruption of the bible. .

In the next verse, that Ibrahim preferably do not quote, we find that this person will reign on the David’s throne meaning he will be of the lineage of David.

Ibrahim says : Old man what lineage due you think all the Prophets were from? Read the Gospel and look up the chronology of Abraham.

We read in Luke.2v11 Today in the town of David a Saviour has been born to you; he is Christ the Lord. Just two chapters earlier, Isaiah wrote: Therefor the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

Ibrahim says: ** exactly! two chapters earlier it was with regards to a virgin birth and he will be called Immanuel ** but here it is with regards to normal child who will be called wonderful counselor.

BTW: Certainly the Prophet Muhammed can not be called “mighty God”! Due to wars done by the Prophet Muhammed, he also can’t be called “Prince of Peace”.

Ibrahim says : you seem STUCK, on the word God, which has been translated from so many different words as appearing in the Hebrew manuscripts ** and for sure the word God was NEVER used by the Prophets, ever,** so don’t blame me for your misconceptions due to the Bible being mistranslated in English.

Second kindly read

Matthew 10: 34. Jesus said: "Do not suppose that I have come to bring ** peace ** to the earth.** I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.**

Thus Christ denies that he is prince of peace but Mohamed (pbuh) was the Prince of Islam ( Peace) . Thus Isaiah 9:6 is about Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) and not about Christ. (pbuh) Sorry.

• Isaiah 28v 9. Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

10. ** For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. ** *

Old man: He writes: v1 Woe to that wealth, the pride of Ephraim’s drunkards.

Ibrahim says: Old man do you ever wonder who are Ephraim’s drunkards?

Why Ephraim is being mentioned here in Isaiah ? Let me tell you, because this refers to the state of the pagans (currently hindus) and Arabs, who have erred and have become idol worshippers and drunkards in the House that Prophet Ibrahim (pbuh) built in Mecca .

Hence the Prophet who will be sent to them , will guide them as written in Isaiah 28:10, which is how the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) guided the Arabs.

Now read

Isaiah 28: 5. ** In that day** the LORD Almighty will be a glorious crown, a beautiful wreath ** for the remnant of his people. **

6. ** He will be a spirit of justice to him who sits in judgment,** a source of strength to those who turn back the battle at the gate.

Ibrahim says : thus this is with regards to the Prophet Mohamed (pbuh) and those saved in Arabia and not about the Israelites.

BTW: The Arabic language wasn’t strange to the people of Israel!

Ibrahim says; Hello, another and strange are two different things, so please use your head, not blind faith! But that was not the tongue of the Israelites, get it? It was meant for the Arabs and now the Jews had to follow that language ( another tongue) and not what was given to them.

*Matthew 21:43-46: “Therefore I say unto you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth fruits thereof. And whosoever falls on this stone shall be broken, but on whomsoever it falls, it will grind him to powder.” *

Old man : The Kingdom of God would be taken from the scribes and Pharisees represented in the parable as the wicket farmers, and given to a nation, i.e. any people who willl bring forth the fruits of salvation, opening the gospel to the Gentiles.

Ibrahim says: Don’t be silly, the kingdom of God will be given to another nation ( meaning a nation that will submit to God) , not the Israelites anymore, since they had erred and tried to kill the Christ. Not the gentiles since they had not been circumcised nor submitted to God but some followed Paul thinking they are following Christ erroneously .

• Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I will raise them up a prophet among their brethren, like unto thee , and I will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass that whosoever shall not hearken unto the words that he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.” *

Old man: The disciple Peter (who was taught personnaly by Jesus Christ), stated in Acts.3v13-26 that this Prophet that was referred to was Jesus Christ. He said: ”For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up a prophet like me from among your own people ** (please note – not Ismaelites but Israelites);** you must listen to everything he tells you. Anyone who does not listen to him will be completely cut off from among his people.’ “Indeed, all the prophets from Samuel on, as many as has spoken, have foretold these days. And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers.”

Ibrahim says: sorry, another silly point, since Christ was NEVER like Moses ** and what was written in Deuteronomy is what God said to Moses not what Moses said to others as claimed in acts, that is why you have been misled.

BTW ** so when it suits you Christ is a prophet, when it suits you Christ is a the son of God and when it suits you Christ is God, is it not? **

Please note that Peter said “these days” (present tense) and “you are” (present tense).

Ibrahim says: Go and read what was foretold to Moses (pbuh) by God, not what Peter said as recorded by an anonymous author and not a part of the Gospel.

• Acts 7:37. This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of ** your brethren, like unto me ;** him shall ye hear. 38. This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: *

old man: Let’s look at what Stephen continue to say before jumping to an Ibrahimic conclusion: Acts.7v51-53 ”You stiff-necked people, wwith uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit! Was there ever a prophet your fathers did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him”

Ibrahim says : Old man, THINK! this is not with regards to verse Duet 18:18, but the general way the Jew had always behaved, they were a racist people who never seized to persecute anything that was not to their liking and they tried to kill Christ

BTW since you are so fond of acts, why did you not accept the fact that in acts the apostles claims they hanged Christ on a tree, whereas the Gospels says they nailed him on a cross. Which is which?

Stephen clearly identified Jesus Christ as the one he earlier spoke about.

Ibrahim say sorry read duet 18:18 and compare with acts 7:37 and acts 3:13 and note the difference. If indeed you want to be honest with yourself.

Just to show how selective Ibrahim quotes, let’s also read John 14v16 and 17: I will ask the Father, and he will give you** another Counsellor ** to be with you for ever – ** the Spirit of Truth.** The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you – clearly NOT the Prophet Muhammed.

Ibrahim says: that would be your error, since Christ spoke in parables and you have yet to realize that another counselor cannot be Christ and cannot be spirit but another human being

Yes none will know him, because he will be sent 600 years later and yes the Qur’an will be with us forever which came with the spirit if truth, as already quoted by me earlier.

Nowhere does the Prophet Muhammed fulfill any of the characteristics of the Holy Spirit. Let me illustrate some points:

Ibrahim says : Don’t be naïve, where did the Holy spirit come into this verse, the Spirit of Truth and the Holy Spirit are two different spirits. Your problem is your confusion in not being able to identify who is the Holy spirit. The Holy spirit is the title of angel Gabriel ,which Christians have misconstrued as being part of God (trinity )

There is only one “The Messiah” refered to and expected by Jews. That Messiah is Jesus Christ according to Christianity. The Jews still await the Messiah.

Ibrahim says which means you don’t know the bible too well and you have just followed blindly

So read.

Isaiah 44:28. who says of Cyrus, ** `He is my shepherd ** and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of Jerusalem, “Let it be rebuilt,” and of the temple, “Let its foundations be laid.” ’

Isaiah 45 : 1. "This is what the LORD says to his ** anointed, ** to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:

Strong 4899

ROMANIZED-mashiyach
PHONETIC-maw-shee’-akh

from 4886; anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically, ** the Messiah: --anointed, Messiah.**

Ibrahim says hence , I am afraid, you have yet to understand what you are reading.

Hope you will do better next time.

Regards
Ibrahim

** great thinking attracts great results. Mediocre thinking attracts mediocre results **

[simplepen]

Ibrahim says: which means you are not using the great gift, God gave you and unable to understand that Mathew, Mark, Luke and John were not the disciples of Christ but those who recorded what they heard after Christ which at times are contradictory in nature.

So sorry Ibrahim, for indeed it is YOU who does NOT Speak The TRUTH. Is it Ignorance, or simply intentional?

Matthew was a Jewish tax Collector who was called by Jesus to become His disciple. He abandoned his corrupt way of Life, which was indeed financially profitable, simply to Follow JESUS.

The Writer of Mark, who’s Name was John Mark, was not on of the Twelve disciples, but he served along side of Paul on his first missionary Journey.

Luke, who was a doctor, a Greek, and Gentile Christian, is the Only Known Gentile author in The New Testament. Luke was a close friend and Companion of Paul. Luke also wrote the Book of Acts, which is the Beginning of Christianity, and Both The Gospel of LUKE, and the Book of Acts are meant to be read together,

John was a Fisherman, chosen as the Third Disciple by Jesus to be One of The Twelve. He not Only wrote The Gospel of John, but also 1st John, 2nd John, 3rd John, and The Book of Revelation.

Therefore What is Present, are Two Gospels written by Disciples who Walked, Talked, and LIVED with Jesus Christ day and night throughout HIS Ministry upon this earth.

One of whom, JOHN, wrote four other pieces of the New Testament, The last Book, Being The Book of Revelation, and in fact is being fulfilled in our Present day and Age, as we need only Look upon The World Stage.

You have Two Companions of The Apostle Paul, who also recorded in Verse, the Teachings of JESUS, as well as HIS MISSION upon this EARTH for The Creator. One of which also recorded in Writing the early HISTORY of The Christian Faith.

Ibrahim says: So Old man, I know you need to belief what you need to belief, but some honesty is needed when we want to deal in the TRUTH.

I Agree Ibrahim, so why does NOT Ibrahim speak in TRUTH?

Ibrahim says: So kindly get your facts straight, so far as the Qur’an is concerned

As You should as well Ibrahim, since you consider yourself a man of wisdom, yet it is only wisdom of man.

The Old Man says: A misrepresenting of the facts by stating that Christ Jesus would be the way to Salvation while Jesus was on earth .

**Ibrahim says: Old man are you denying what Christ said,
Kindly tell us why this statement made by Christ is false and yours is true?? ..

John 9:5 Jesus said: As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
Or
In John 14:15-16, Jesus says:
"If you love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray to the Father and He shall give you another Comforter."**

The Complete Sentence is:
And I will ask the father, and He will give you another Comforter, who shall NEVER Leave you.

This Comforter is The HOLY SPIRIT poured out upon all believers at Pentecost shortly after Jesus Asended to the Father in Heaven (Acts 2). The HOLY SPIRIT is The Very presence of GOD HIMSELF within us and all believers, helping us to live as GOD wants of us, building Christ’s Church upon this earth. By FAITH, we can appropriate The Spirit’s power each day we breath Life.

In John 16:7, we have Jesus saying :
"Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come to you. However, if I depart, I will send him to you."

8 And when he comes,he will convince the world of it’s sin, and of GOD’s Rightousness, and of coming Judgement. 9** The world’s SIN, is there unbelief in me.** 10 Rightousness is available because I go to The Father, and you will see me no more. 11 Judgement will come because the prince of this world has already been judged.

Again Ibraham, Jesus is speaking of The HOLY SPIRIT, The SPIRIT of TRUTH.

In John 16:12-14, Jesus says:
"I have yet many things to tell you, but you cannot bear them now. Howbeit, when the Spirit of Truth is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear shall he speak. And he will show you things to come; and he shall glorify me."

15 All that the Father Has is MINE; this is what I mean when I say that the Spirit will Reveal to you whatever He receives from me.

So Sorry Ibrahim, For it is YOU who fails to HEAR what The WORD of GOD, The WORDS of JESUS say.
And as I have told you sir, Do not simply pick and choose a verse, when it takes reading the entire paragraph in complete Context, to Have Understanding of The COMPLETE TRUTH.

Or did you leave out the verses I have added to what you quoted, simply because Those are the verses Corrupted, but not the ones you shared?

PLEASE. Give me a Break already, for You are a very Foolish man, althought many may think you are Wise, and I have no doubt YOU Believe this to Be TRUE. Oh What a RUDE awakening you shall Experience on The Day Yet to Come for Each of us upon this Earth… The Day of Judgement.

I feel so Sad for you, I am NOT even going to comment on the rest of Your Confusion., for it is CLEAR to me, who you are Commited to. The Prophet Mohammad, and NOT to GOD.

Enjoy The Life you Live upon this earth my Friend, for when Judgement Day comes, you shall NOT Continue in LIFE, but shall Find The MERCY of The Creator in DEATH.

My Hope was to Help, but you are too Blind to SEE.

simply a servant,
of Jesus Christ The LORD.

Lordspen <><

[This message has been edited by simplepen (edited June 09, 2002).]

[Ibrahim]

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I have to agree with the old man, in saying that there is no scripture stating that the bible predicted a so called LAST one as muhammed.
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Ibrahim says: greetings of peace to one and all

Dear W&W

which means you have yet to understand what I posted and also you have yet to know what other scriptures ( other than the Bible) talks about Prophet Muhammad. (pbuh) before his coming.

BTW you agree or disagree as you like, but that does not make the words go away in the scriptures.

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In the bible, it speaks of Jesus Christ performing miricles, healings, and that he was not a prophet but God himself in the flesh.
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Ibrahim says: which means you come from a Christian faith because the gospel says no such thing. I mean nowhere in the Gospel does Christ say he is God in the flesh or God in the spirit. Or any other God apart form the Almighty Creator named Allah .

In fact it is written he is prophet in the Gospels. .

BTW the word God is an English word originating from a German word and was NEVER used by Christ or by any of the Prophets, so If you are sincere kindly go and find out what Aramaic speaking people (the language of Christ) use, instead of God.

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Also that he died and was risen again in three days, tells me that he was a savior to all mankind.
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Ibrahim says; First find out if the counting of three days is accurate after which ask yourself who raised him and when did he die and go to hell as the bible says, he did?

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Now I believe both books are historical evidence for both people.
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Ibrahim says NO! there were both revelations from God, but the Gospel got altered by man and the Qur’an is INTACT as revealed.

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Therefore believing that both lived but only one died for the people, and this is where things get a little hairy. I have no doubt that muhammed was a prophet, but I also think that Jesus was a savior.
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Ibrahim says: which means you have denied God, who claims He alone is the savior at all times in the Bible.

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I think that man has misconstrued both books. By taking into account what he chooses to believe.
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Ibrahim says: man can only misconstrue and keep on misconstruing, when they are alterations, corruptions, omissions, additions as is the case of the Bible, whereas the Qur’an can be misunderstood, since in it will have contents which are meant for later generations as well as contents which are allegorical and only man of knowledge will understand this better as God will guide them to understand.

Even than , the Qur’an does not have the problems the bible has, which was the reason why it got abrogated in the first place.

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I guess the part I really have a difficult time with is the fact that Jesus was predicited throughout the OT,
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Ibrahim says can you tell us where it have been predicted throughout OT, kindly quote full verses.

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as were many other prophecies that have came to pass 100% without fail,
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Ibrahim says: prophesies as were given by God will come to pass which is why the Bible itself records the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and itself also conveys the revelation of the Qur’an.

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and the one prophecy that I can say sticks out in my mind and forever has is the one about Israel being a nation. Unless it were not true, this could not have happened, therefore, I must keep an open mind about this bible.
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Ibrahim says: which is naïve since If God wanted Israel to be a nation as yur claim was the wish of God, they do not need the help of US, and its allies to survive after killing and destroying the lives of some 700,000 Palestinian people, when it was established out of trickery and force. , and its daily inhumane atrocities which even an atheist will not be able to accept are the works of God.

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Ibriham what are your thoughts on the book of revelations, and who do you think this false prophet is? and for the Old man, I would like your opinions on this as well, ok?
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Ibrahim says: For your info, the entire book of revelations is THROWN out by the Christians who use the Peshitta ( the original Aramaic speaking people whom, Christ was one ) since no such book exist amongst them.

Thus what it says is not accepted by Christians even let alone by others.

Second

The notion that Christ is God is denied in that Book and the fact that the Qur’an will be revealed is revealed in that book.

In addition it clearly tells us that God’s name is ** Alle** pronounced ** Allah,** and not Jesus Christ , so will you accept this first? Before I tell you more?

Regards
Ibrahim

** when a child says everyone is allowed to , it is usually based on a survey of one! **

[Ibrahim]

Ibrahim says: greetings of peace to one and all

Dear simplepen you are an utter waste of my time, I prefer old man, since he is more sensible than you and will at least try to respond on the issue, before quitting, when there is nothing to be said instead of singing to avoid the issues.

So let me tell you how Christianity works, I mean it really works for Christians, as Fadar Pierre found out

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** Boudreaux once spent days looking for his new hat.** Finally, he decide dat if he go to church on Sunday an sit at da back jurin da service, ** he could sneak out an grab a hat frum da rack at da front door. **

So, on da follin Sunday, Boudreaux went to church an sat at da back. ** Da sermon was bout da Ten Commandments. He sat through da whole sermon an instead of sneaking out he wait til da preachin was over an went to talk to da priest. **

"Fadar Pierre, " Boudreaux say, "I came here today to steal a hat to replace da one I lost. ** But your sermon on da ten Commandments make me change my mind, yea." **

Fadar Pierre say, "Bless you my son. Was it wen I start to preach dou shall not steal, dat changed you heart?"

Boudreaux say, ** "Main non, it was da one on adultry. Wen you start to preach on dat, I remember where I left my hat." **
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Hope that helps you overcome your difficulties.

Regards
Ibrahim

** If you want peace work for justice **

[simplepen]

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Originally posted by Ibrahim:
**Ibrahim says: greetings of peace to one and all

Dear simplepen you are an utter waste of my time, I prefer old man, since he is more sensible than you and will at least try to respond on the issue, before quitting, when there is nothing to be said instead of singing to avoid the issues.

So let me tell you how Christianity works, I mean it really works for Christians, as Fadar Pierre found out

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** Boudreaux once spent days looking for his new hat.** Finally, he decide dat if he go to church on Sunday an sit at da back jurin da service, ** he could sneak out an grab a hat frum da rack at da front door. **

So, on da follin Sunday, Boudreaux went to church an sat at da back. ** Da sermon was bout da Ten Commandments. He sat through da whole sermon an instead of sneaking out he wait til da preachin was over an went to talk to da priest. **

"Fadar Pierre, " Boudreaux say, "I came here today to steal a hat to replace da one I lost. ** But your sermon on da ten Commandments make me change my mind, yea." **

Fadar Pierre say, "Bless you my son. Was it wen I start to preach dou shall not steal, dat changed you heart?"

Boudreaux say, ** "Main non, it was da one on adultry. Wen you start to preach on dat, I remember where I left my hat." **
[/quote]

Hope that helps you overcome your difficulties.

Regards
Ibrahim

** If you want peace work for justice ** **
[/QUOTE]

It seems to me, you simple do NOT have answers for The Message I share.

I Speak of The TRUTH as it IS. I do NOT need to debate with you about The letter of GOD's WORD, for I KNOW HIS TRUTH.

You are LOST, and shall indeed Be Put to DEATH by GOD, by HIS MERCY and GRACE.

I Feel so SAD for you, for on That DAY Yet to COME, YOU shall Indeed SEE THE TRUTH, and You Shall Remember This DAY, as The WORDS The LORD has Lead me to Write to You.

You shall Cry, and Beg The Father to Forgive you, and it shall Be too Late for Your Soul.

May The LORD keep Your suffering Quick, for The Longer You Live on That Day, The Worse it shall be for YOU.

Unless you Turn to The LORD with an Open Heart for The TRUTH, and Not the lies of Satan, for He is The one who has Deceived you.

You could Be such a servant of GOD, but instead you have choosen to be a servant of Satan, simply by Trusting a man over GOD.

You do NOT anwser me Directly as You attack the OLD Man, for The HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES my Hand, and You Refuse to Listen to The Message you call a song, sent to you by GOD.

You poor soul. If you only Knew, but The TRUTH is, you shall come to KNOW one day. I Pray it is before You die upon this earth, for without Jesus, You shall NOT be Given a Spiritual Birth Leading to LIFE with The Creator Forever.

Lordspen <><

[enchanted]

and they call us (muslims) intolerant…hehe.

. Ibrahim u did a great Job but i don’t think they will believe you because they are sticking to the fact that Allah’s son Jesus is the only one who can show the path to Allah. Well i don’t disagree with it because in Islam ..well in Quran we are told that the religion of all the prophets was Islam. But the thing that confuse me is ** can a God die a mortal death** according to christians Jesus was a god and he died…

secondly if Quran was taught to Prophet muhammad (p.b.u.h) by satan…isn’t it starnge that when u read Quran u are always asking for Allah to keep the satanic thoughts away??

As ahmedies who wouldn’t answer my questions said that i don’t have the sight to see the truth, i guess u ppl are implying the same for muslims. and it is a useless discussion. But still i’ll give u a link go through it ** thouroughly ** before making any decisions. Good luck

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

http://www.sharif.org.uk/science.htm

i request. ** do go through it ** it won’t do u any harm, both muslims and christians but will broaden your horizons.

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by enchanted (edited June 10, 2002).]

[wonderingandwaiting]

THIS BOTHERS ME! PLEASE EXPLAIN

"Men take authority over women... As for those who are disobedient, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them." (Surah 4:34)

THIS BOTHERS ME EVEN MORE. Is this the God of the Quran?

"The Day of Resurrection will not arrive until the Moslems make war against the Jews and kill them, and until a Jew hiding behind a rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: 'Oh Moslem, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'" (Sahih Bukhari 004.52.176)

[kandern]

Love and Peace of the Creator to everybody

Hope you don't mind a few simple observations.
Taking the premise into consideration, that after all, in islam, as well in christianity(as far as I know),the "Walk" talks louder, than the "Talk". Love and Peace and kindness as foundation for acting with and towards each other.
I have to say, that ibrahim....he who throws dirt, is loosing ground.... In putting other people down and trying to discredit other beliefs is not what I know about islam, and if this is the way, as you did it...thank you but no..Can't be the Truth.
lordspen, very kind and considered, well done.
The Creator and Holder of Truth is smiling on you.
enchanted...We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to Allah (in Islam)."
Just for the record:
Philip. 2:5-11
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus, WHO, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man. He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and GIVEN HIM THE NAME,WHICH IS ABOVE EVERY NAME,THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, OF THOSE IN HEAVEN, AND OF THOSE ON EARTH, AND OF THOSE UNDER THE EARTH.
AND THAT EVERY TONGUE SHOULD CONFESS,THAT
JESUS CHRIST IS LORD TO THE GLORY OF THE FATHER.

waitandwandering, thats the answer for your question as well.
He who has ears, let him hear...

Gods Blessings everybody
a servant of the creator

[Ibrahim]

[quote]
Originally posted by simplepen:
You do NOT anwser me Directly as You attack the OLD Man,
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: greetings of peace to one and all

Dear simplepen, sorry had to thrash your rambling, I told you earlier, I do not like to waste my time and you wasted my time before, when you refused to answer my questions and started to ramble and tried to sing your way out of your follies.

** Now, I will give you a choice, you can either get back to that thread and answer my initial questions and stick with the topic or you can try and proof to us Jesus is God theory ( start a new thread for it) **
Now do something! don’t CRY, ramble or rave or sing , when you know you are basically lying about God speaking through you.

[quote]
but for The** HOLY SPIRIT GUIDES my Hand,** and You Refuse to Listen to The Message you call a song, ** sent to you by GOD.**
[/quote]

Ibrahim says; see, you are need to be locked up, since you are no different from the lunatic, in Siberia who claims he is Jesus, son of God. BTW, If your god is in Siberia, why would the Holy spirit be with you? Now you got a problem mate, so get help.

[quote]
for without Jesus, You shall NOT be Given a Spiritual Birth Leading to LIFE with The Creator Forever.
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: simplepen dear, don’t tell me, God is talking through you, right?

Now read!

Numbers 23:19. God is not a man, ** that he should lie, nor a son of man,** that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

Ibrahim says: since you are uttering lies when you say holy spirit is guiding you and god is speaking through you , you are definitely following the shiatan and should be punished for blasphemy

** Do you want me to proof that you are following the shaitan? ** Since God will not lie and only the shiatan will lie in order to deceive others.

Before you answer this, remember I deal with straight talk direct to the poit, it will blunt , so, NO rambling, just be direct to the point and be prepared to address all questions, failing which you are not worthy for this forum or my response.

Regards
Ibrahim

** you are not a fool because you have done something foolish – only if the folly of it escapes you. **

[wonderingandwaiting]

Will someone please reply to my above post, IS THIS THE GOD OF THE QURAN? If so this is not the God of the bible and this is WRONG! Ibriham you stated that the Jews killed 700,000 palestinians, what about the suicide bombers, or do they just kill for Jihad, or what, seems that the muslims need to be institutionalized for believing that the trees talk to them. Why is it that you cannot see both sides from a palestinian point of view and an Jewish point of view? Why is it always the Jewish ppl's fault, the palestinians never do anything wrong, well did you know that Arafat has ties to the Nazis that killed millions of Jews? hmmmmm bet you did not know that did you? You do not seem very wise to me, because you bash ppls opinions, and that is not wise, instead of allowing a person to come here and offer a different point of view other than yours, you do not like that do you, you see the problem is that in Pakistan and all of the other Arab countries, you are brainwashed into believing in one thing or they cut your head off, dont make me show the pictures, I have them. But in the USA we have the choice, and we are able to choose that which we believe, is it that you are afraid? Are you fearful because it is so inbread into your brain? I have seen how the children go to school in the middle east, I see how they are taught, is this of God? Is he that angry at the Jews at one point, but yet promises them this land this tiny land surrounded by gazillions of arabs and they are all in an uproar about this tiny country? What does that say to you? How do you think Isreal has made it this far? Not by the hand of God surely not, that would make the Quran a lie huh? I came here trying to get different views on this, but you seem to only have one view, because that is how you are taught, you do not have the freedom to choose, otherwise you will loose your head wont you, or if you live elsewhere, they will come after you. I think you should keep an open mind and allow other opinions to be made without attacking the person, attack the subject please.

[Ibrahim]

[quote]
Originally posted by enchanted:
sticking to the fact that ** Allah's son Jesus** is the only one who can show the path to Allah.
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: greetings of peace to one and all

Dear enchanted , ** the purpose of this forum is to separate truth from untruth,** I do appreciate your efforts in this regards but let not your own hands be a cause to spreading untruth.

Meaning when you say, Allah had a son called Jesus (which I am sure you did not mean it that way) you will be misleading others.

Firstly Allah which is being translated as God in the Bible will not have children( son or daughters) , all things we see are His creations, hence everything that is Good is appreciated like sons and daughters by Allah (swt) but they are not His children, as the way the Christians have been deluding themselves based on mistranslations of revealed scriptures.

Second when you say there was Jesus as spelled with a letter “j” , it becomes another lie that we are blindly attesting to. There was NEVER any person called Jesus, ever, some 2000 years ago in the middle east.

These are inventions just like ** every word that appears in the Bible with a letter J”” is a lie. **

Anyone who accepts this lie, is spreading falsehood. Meaning there is no John, no Jacob , no Jerusalem , no Jehovah …all of them are lies invented by the Christians who changed the names and scriptures to teach/preach their falsehood.

As I said earlier, the forum is meant for identifying the TRUTH, so let us be true and not accept or spread falsehood.

Regards
Ibrahim

** No steam or gas drives anything until it is confined. No life ever grows until it is focused, dedicated and disciplined **

[Ibrahim]

Ibrahim says: greetings of peace to one and all

Dear kandern, welcome, I was wondering when will the rest of the gang be pitching in, and you shouldn’t have waited so long. It is a Christian duty to lie for blind faith in christ.

[quote]
Philip. 2:5-11
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus, WHO, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: which is utter nonsense written by Paul because your own bible says

kindly take your Bible and read..........

Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for ** I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, ** visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Or

Exodus 34:14 ** For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:**

Or

Deuteronomy 4:24 ** For the LORD thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God.**

or

Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

or

Deuteronomy 6:15 ** (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.**

Or

Joshua 24:19 And Joshua said unto the people, ** Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.**

Or

Ezekiel 39:25 Therefore** thus saith the Lord GOD;** Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, ** and will be jealous for my holy name;**

Or

Nahum 1:2 God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.

Ibrahim says: thus when Paul, made the above claim, that Christ is equal to God, it was the words of a False Prophet and not what God had been revealing from ancient times.

** And don’t tell me I am denigrating your belief, this is a religious forum for identifying the truth and denying the falsehood by those who have knowledge.
Hope that helps

Regards
Ibrahim

** one stone can alter the whole sea. Everything matters and all things are connected **

[wonderingandwaiting]

The Koran declares that women are given rights similar to men with respect to divorce except for the qualification that "men have a status above women" (2:228). Polygamy is permitted in Islam (4:3) and wife beating is permitted as a form of discipline (4:35). However, the real discrepancy between men and women occurs whenever details are given concerning heaven. Heaven is repeatedly described from a male perspective where the reward of heaven includes marriage to many virgins (2:82; 38:50-52; 44:50ff. 52:20; 55:52ff.; 78:33ff.; note women are mentioned as partaking in heaven in 48:3ff.).

[Ibrahim]

[quote]
Will someone please reply to my above post, IS THIS THE GOD OF THE QURAN?
[/quote]

Ibrahim says; Greetings of Peace to one and all

Dear W&W,

Your questions shows ignorance and it is too early for you to raise such questions since you have admitted that you do not know what is written in the Qur’an but since you quote from it, without knowledge , it means your purpose is not to learn or compare but to try and shift the topic.

[quote]
If so this is not the God of the bible and this is WRONG!
[/quote]

Ibrahim says which means you don’t know what is written in the bible either , ** do you want me to give many verses in the Bible which will make your allegation look like a gnat?? **

[quote]
Ibriham you stated that the Jews killed 700,000 palestinians, what about the suicide bombers, or do they just kill for Jihad, or what, seems that the muslims need to be institutionalized for believing that the trees talk to them.
[/quote]

Ibrahim says : Firstly I did not state jews killed 700,000 palestinians, you did, due to your inability to understand what was written, ...Now you are heading away from the point I am making and trying to justify the actions of the Jews based on your ignorance.

[quote]
Why is it that you cannot see both sides from a palestinian point of view and an Jewish point of view?
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: ** when you will allow me (without trying to kill me) to occupy your house and throw you out or lock you up in one of your own rooms and suck you dry as per my will, than I will agree with you in the mean time get help.**

[quote]
I think you should keep an open mind and allow other opinions to be made without attacking the person, attack the subject please.
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: hello, what do you think, I am talking about?? You or the subject??
Please get help, and when you have come to your senses I asked you some questions, answer them first before asking more questions.

Unless, you have yet to learn how forums works and BTW this is a religious forum no room for lies or slanders.

Hope that helps

Regards
Ibrahim

** The Creator, does not change what is in a people, until they changes what is in themselves **

[Sentinel]

wonderingandwaiting,

If you have queries related to issues outside of the topic, please open another thread where they can be addressed. In the meantime allow me to remind you the subject at hand: *Is Christianity the only way? *.

Sentinel.

[wonderingandwaiting]

No room for lies or slander huh? You slander me by calling me ignorant and that I need help. Sir I tell you, you are the one that needs the help, for you do not listen to others. I speak from my heart, and I am not here to debate with you or any other, I am here to find the TRUTH! How can you say that I slander you when you turn around and slander me? I am a woman, how about that, are ya gonna beat me sir, oh precious man forgive me for speaking to you in such a way, please dont beat me, please!!!! GOD FORGIVE YOU PEOPLE, FOR HELL IS WHAT AWAITS YOU! You cant even respond to my last post, you say I quote verses from the "holy book" but yet I do not understand them, I understand them perfectly, I understand that your religion is the work of the devil, and muhammed is the false prophet and when all is said and done Jesus will come back to earth to set forth judment on all manking because he is the only one who is WORTHY of this. Watch and beware Ibriham for you time on earth is nearly over, and You need only turn your heart to Jesus to overcome the wrath that will come upon you. Satan has your heart and until you tell him to BE GONE, he will continue to allow you to spread your false lies, if anyone is reading this take heed to the warnings and BTW I went to this link about the prophecies of muhammed and I saw three, yes three, I can give you solid evidence of hundreds in the bible if you like that have already been fullfilled as well as those to come. Go ahead and ask for them, this will give me the chance to show you the TRUTH and possibly touch the lives of others.

[wonderingandwaiting]

Mr. Moderator, seems as though you do not want people to hear the truth, if you are so open minded and stand firm behind this truth of Islam, you would not feel threatened by what I say now would you. If you will read my question I asked if muslims disliked Jews and then Ibriham came in with the paletinian conflict, which took the subkect away from its original content, now I know you folks dont have freedom of speech over there, and now I understand why you are so quick to come in and stop me, but yet neglect to stop Ibriham from attacking others and posting lies. Shame on you people shame shame shame!

[wonderingandwaiting]

Im outta here, this is not the religion for me, because you do not embrace others opinions if one questions your beliefs they are on auto attack from Mr. Ibriham. THANK YOU LORD JESUS FOR SAVING ME FROM THE PITS OF HELL!

[Ibrahim]

[quote]
No room for lies or slander huh? You slander me by calling me ignorant and that I need help.
[/quote]

Ibrahim says : greetings of peace to one and all

Dear W&W,
** Did you not admit that you are ignorant of the Qur’an??** so how will I be wrong in saying that your are ignorant , when you post verses without knowing what they are referring to , since you lack the very basic knowledge about scriptures and Islam. Now do you not need help, as I recall that was what you asked me to do for you, which is the reason why I started this thread based on what you said?

[quote]
Sir I tell you, you are the one that needs the help, for you do not listen to others.
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: are you telling me I should listen to lies and accept them without rejection? Please, my friend, I listen to everyone but I do not support lies at any time, be it from myself or be it from my own brothers or sisters or be it from any other religionists.

[quote]
I speak from my heart, and I am not here to debate with you or any other, I am here to find the TRUTH!
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: Good, now that is why I am giving you the truth, which you have not reviewed but seem to divert your attention on other matters. Learning is like climbing a ladder, a step be step process, so first learn the Bible, which is already with you and then learn the Qur’an after which you decide.

It is not done be trying to throw mud or digging up dirt on the other without knowledge. On my part I know both, so I am able to give you guidance on both of them.

[quote]
How can you say that I slander you when you turn around and slander me?
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: brother/sister, you did not slander me nor I slander you, but you have been trying to slander Islam by first talking about Jihad as if you wanted to learn, then trying to support the Jews and now trying to claim the Qur’an is not fair to women.

[quote]
I am a woman, how about that, are ya gonna beat me sir, oh precious man forgive me for speaking to you in such a way, please dont beat me, please!!!!
[/quote]

Ibrahim says; Now why would that make a difference to me? You asked questions and you received answers, did anybody stop you from asking or did anybody ignore you?

On the other hand, when I asked you questions, you are ignoring it! Why the double standards? And don’t be silly, everyone who talked to you had welcomed you to this forum and even me, who knew the reason why you posted at the back of my mind.

[quote]
GOD FORGIVE YOU PEOPLE, FOR HELL IS WHAT AWAITS YOU!
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: don’t worry liars will find that out for sure. And sadly your beliefs are based on lies.

[quote]
You cant even respond to my last post, you say I quote verses from the "holy book" but yet I do not understand them, I understand them perfectly, I understand that your religion is the work of the devil, and muhammed is the false prophet and when all is said and done Jesus will come back to earth to set forth judment on all manking because he is the only one who is WORTHY of this.
[/quote]

Ibrahim says : see how God exposed you by your own words, ** you have proofed yourself a liar**, since by the very fact you chose a handle “wondering and waiting” and tried to claim you wanted to know more about Islam and have yet to read the Qur’an but in your heart you already have the above boundary markers and HATE for Islam.

Are you denying that you tried to decive , even after God, exposed you by your own words?

[quote]
Watch and beware Ibriham for you time on earth is nearly over, and You need only turn your heart to Jesus to overcome the wrath that will come upon you.
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: when you say “Jesus” you are propagating lies, since the letter “j” does not exist in Hebrew, Latin or Greek, so only shaitan/satan would have led people to believe in Jesus.

Now his true Name was Eesa or you can spell it Isa, Esa or Iesus as is the case in Greek manuscripts but NEVER Jesus.

So get help, the Bible has been fabricated and altered, so find out the TRUTH, before you die.

[quote]
Satan has your heart and until you tell him to BE GONE, he will continue to allow you to spread your false lies, if anyone is reading this take heed to the warnings and BTW I went to this link about the prophecies of muhammed and I saw three, yes three, I can give you solid evidence of hundreds in the bible if you like that have already been fullfilled as well as those to come.
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: why don’t you quote them after you have answerd my earlier questions.

** BTW who denied that God did not reveal the Torah or the Zabur or the Injeel ?**

So the issue was are they INTACT or are they corrupted??

[quote]
Go ahead and ask for them, this will give me the chance to show you the TRUTH and possibly touch the lives of others.
[/quote]

Ibrahim says : But FIRST you must accept the fact that ,

1) ** there is No Jesus but Eesa son of Mariam

2) And there is No God but only Allah who had no son or daughter

will you have the capacity to accept this TRUTH, if not try to deny it, after which feel free to argue about the prophecies. Since knowing who is God ( meaning his correct name as used by the Prophets in the Bible) and what is Christ name is more important than prophecies which have already materialized.

Hope that helps

Regards
Ibrahim

** Don’t waste time learning the tricks of the trade. Instead, learn the trade. **

[Ibrahim]

[quote]
Originally posted by wonderingandwaiting:
Im outta here,
[/quote]

Ibrahim says : greetings of peace to one and all

Dear W&W, which means you will not answer questions but make accusations.

[quote]
this is not the religion for me, because you do not embrace others opinions if one questions your beliefs they are on auto attack from Mr. Ibriham.
[/quote]

Ibrahim says: religions are not based on opinions but on scriptures!

I asked you, do you want quotes from the Bible that will make your allegations, like a gnat?? Instead of trying to find out , you chose to run, that is a shame.

[quote]
THANK YOU LORD JESUS FOR SAVING ME FROM THE PITS OF HELL!
[/quote]

Ibrahim says problem is, there is NO Jesus, so that would be your own imagination and not the fact.

Hope that helps

Regards
Ibrahim

** Don’t waste time learning the tricks of the trade. Instead, learn the trade. **