smile, allhamdulillah, it is quite funny to see the change of tone in your responses after the statements of the ijazza scholars were presented to you.
yes because that falls under necessity. I did mention it, maybe not dircelty but certainly indirectly, please refer to page 1.
that is only one of the opinions of scholars and the statements of early scholars do not mention the reason: they flatly said that it is not permissible except some of the shafi’is who regard it as makrooh. khayr, no one denies the difference of opinion among the scholars and I clearly mentioned it; however, the jamhour’s view is that it is not permissible regardless of whether you are missing an obligation or not
yes, allhamdulillah - whoever disagrees need to check his imaan.
see, here you are contradicting yourself - taking the balanced position or less strict position. How does drawing an image comes under the heading of using smileys? First, none of use drew these and secondly, it is half drawn - missing its entire body. And we just agreed upon the fact that half completed images (missing limbs) do not come under prohibited category. Let us not be extreme and be balanced!
bro, I am glad that you have chosen a safe side - the Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) has warned us that grey area would eventually make one to fall into haraam. and like the saying goes: it is better be safe then be sorry later.
smile, allhamdulillah, it is quite funny to see the change of tone in your responses after the statements of the ijazza scholars were presented to you.
I haven't changed my tone...I've already read this before many a times. Though this is the most strong or rather strict opinion unlike others scholars like Yusuf Al-Qardawi etc.
yes because that falls under necessity. I did mention it, maybe not dircelty but certainly indirectly, please refer to page 1.
Can't find it.
that is only one of the opinions of scholars and the statements of early scholars do not mention the reason: they flatly said that it is not permissible except some of the shafi'is who regard it as makrooh. khayr, no one denies the difference of opinion among the scholars and I clearly mentioned it; however, the jamhour's view is that it is not permissible regardless of whether you are missing an obligation or not
yes, allhamdulillah - whoever disagrees need to check his imaan.
So you don't play cricket or football nor you play any internet games nor you watch TV and use internet.
see, here you are contradicting yourself - taking the balanced position or less strict position. How does drawing an image comes under the heading of using smileys? First, none of use drew these and secondly, it is half drawn - missing its entire body. And we just agreed upon the fact that half completed images (missing limbs) do not come under prohibited category. Let us not be extreme and be balanced!
Actually it is either complete drawing of body or complete drawing of face..............but don't you think it's better to remove that image beneath your name?
bro, I am glad that you have chosen a safe side - the Messenger of Allah (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) has warned us that grey area would eventually make one to fall into haraam. and like the saying goes: it is better be safe then be sorry later.
and Allah knows best
Yeah drawing is haram but thinking about Kareena and opening threads about her is halal.
maybe but where are the “fullan is not a scholar” fatawas? or that is only applied to saudi scholars due to ta’ssub and partisanship? Yes, let us change Islam because it is so strict! Wearing hijab is strict so let look for opinions which says otherwise. Praying salah is hard so let look for opinions which says otherwise, etc. etc. etc. This is not an attitude of a Muslim! We take whatever Allah has revealed for us!
talked about some necessity cases - maybe not education, but my comments were general
allhamdulillah, I do not watch TV. However, do you have flat out statements from the traditional scholars saying that doing all this is haraam regardless of whether you are missing an obligation or not? Whereas there are such statements from the Salaf and view of the jamhour regarding chess. You could take the minority view that is permissible but not permissible if it makes you miss an obligation. Allahu A’lam
In addition, why are you acting so push-over - this is not how Muslims give da’wah to other Muslims? Whether I watch TV or not is my own affair. But if I deny that watching movies is not haraam then that is a different story. There is a big difference between out-rightly denying a ruling and falling short and committing a sin. We remind each other to not fall short of our duties in a good manner. We also remind each other to follow the haqq and not reject or deny Allah’s rulings.
the ulama have said a picture missing limb(s) is not a complete picture; hence, it does not come under prohibited category. An image is not complete without its body. Hence, smilyes do not fall under that and I have not come across a statment from a scholar saying that missing limb(s) pictures are makrooh and in that case I would have agreed with you that it is better to be safe then sorry later. Therefore, your view on this is extreme. Allahu A’lam
subhaanAllah, again sister, this is not an attitude of a believer while trying to remind each other of our duties. What are you trying to prove by posting such a comment? Is not a good thing that he accepted an Islamic ruling; hence, made a step toward haqq, allhamdulillah. Should you not be happy? Or do you feel like being put down because you did not really accept the ruling because it was strict? There is nothing wrong with being corrected after making a mistake - we are not the kings of this world that we have to feel so arrogant and have such an attitude. To me such attidue is all cultural: “Fullan is not doing a hence why is he telling others to do B or why does he accept B which could be less important”. Really, we are not sincere for each other and may Allah Ta’ala increase us in ikhlaas, ameen
The Prophet (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) said that he has not come except to prefect our characters. He (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam) also said that Allah will hide the flaws (on the day of judgment) of those who hide flaws of other believers. What do you think is better for us?
Secondly, I am sure he does not believe that such thing is halal nor he issues fatawas to say that it is halal. Then why get on his nervous and pick out his flaws instead of reminding him to not to do this and make dua’a for him? Which one do you think is better and will earn us reward?
may Allah Ta’ala guide us all and keep us on haqq, ameen
^first, I did not say that you are not a believer. Please stop accusing me and attacking me with something which I never said. and yeh maybe I am hareem too and keep arguing with myself using another nick...rubbish
lol. this is an interesting debate. i think hareem there is a difference of opinion here amongst scholars. be reasonable yaar even if you disagree with the ruling banda appears to be bringing reasonable sources to make it apparent that its not his personal perception.
Hareem01 is simply defending me she is my wife. tum-badtameez has brought in a very specific topic that is generally phrased but probably prompted by something I have done. My intents were based on education in the sense of making analogy and reference to imaginary creatures to represent certain traits in people as a way to give morals and philosophical teachings. I gave little context and did expect this response. My personal desire is to avoid the face as well, but then these sorts of pictures reduce impact. I think there is enough room to say something like those pitcure could be avoided but may be permissible in a specific context.
Furthermore I do not believe tum-badtameez is a new Guppy at all.
lol. this is an interesting debate. i think hareem there is a difference of opinion here amongst scholars. be reasonable yaar even if you disagree with the ruling banda appears to be bringing reasonable sources to make it apparent that its not his personal perception.
this person comes in every thread about haram and halal where i post and start declaring things haram and halal in a very harsh way.
Drawing is not haram even according to Shaykh Nuh Keller and other traditional scholars** completely** but AKB makes it wanna look that it's haram according to all the scholars completely.
There are other opinions of scholars like Shaykh Ahmed Kutty and Yusuf Al-Qardawi and I find their opinion very balanced and practical. But because they have rather less strict fatwa AKB doesn't like mentioning it.
From Islamonline:
First, we would like to state that there is nothing wrong in drawing as long as the images do not depict nudity or any other form of indecency. Also, the picture or image should not be revered or glorified. The detested pictures and images are only those which are worshiped and venerated. Within these restrictions drawing humans, animals, nature scenes, and so on is permitted. What is prohibited is making a statue or a sculpture of a living being that has shade (depth or is three dimensional).
I'm not defending psyah....I'm only trying to present my understanding which is not so different from AKB's but I want to avoid the harsh method AKB uses by declaring it outright haram.
Hareem01 is simply defending me she is my wife. tum-badtameez has brought in a very specific topic that is generally phrased but probably prompted by something I have done. My intents were based on education in the sense of making analogy and reference to imaginary creatures to represent certain traits in people as a way to give morals and philosophical teachings. I gave little context and did expect this response. My personal desire is to avoid the face as well, but then these sorts of pictures reduce impact. I think there is enough room to say something like those pitcure could be avoided but may be permissible in a specific context.
Furthermore I do not believe tum-badtameez is a new Guppy at all.
What do u mean by tum-badtameez not being a new gappy at all. Though i also have a doubt but well U are the mod aren't u. Can't u like check for it's validity? Match his IP to AKB's e.t.c... !
^lol, yeh match it with my IP because I got nothing else to do. So I come on forums with multiple IDs and first ask questions and then answer myself, lol. like really, where is the common sense here! and good job doubting your fellow brother in Islam and being suspicious about him. really...
do not have the time to reply to sister hareem
@pysch
bro, no one is denying that pictures are allowed under certain situations but no one said that they are allowed under all situations
^lol, yeh match it with my IP because I got nothing else to do. So I come on forums with multiple IDs and first ask questions and then answer myself, lol. like really, where is the common sense here! and good job doubting your fellow brother in Islam and being suspicious about him. really...
do not have the time to reply to sister hareem
@pysch
bro, no one is denying that pictures are allowed under certain situations but no one said that they are allowed under all situations
So if there are like a billion fellow bro's in Islam, i should just let 'em escape my imagination. Nice.
Well, doubts are only doubts, so we not need to be cynic about them do we. So relax :)
I don't feel obligated to enter the discussion as You are doing a fine job already. So... cheers :)
^brother, my comment was general and not specifically directed you. Why would we not give benefit of doubt to our fellow believers. Does Allah not say in the Qur'an that do not be suspicious of other believers? Such statement would only hold any value if they make sense or have some evidence. Did sister hareem have any single shred of proof to claim that maybe I'm the same person! Did she even for a second ponder upon the statement of Allah before making such a blunder!? But off course, this happens because I am "extremist najdi wahabi" and same attitude and principle is applied to the people of knowledge. Why did she not apply same "fatwa" on these "traditional" scholars? Why the sudden seal on tongue? The issue is not that the people of sunnah care about what kuffaar, heretics and deviants says about us, because we do not fall into this trap of pleasing people, allhamdulillah. The reason why we bring this argument is to point the nifaaq in their attitude and arguments.
so what? the people of sunnah are harsh and when harshness is required and we are gentle when gentleness is required. allhamdulillah, we are free from the extremism which the people of bid’ah hold onto. Unlike them, we are balanced. Why only those rulings which are not easy on your nafs are graded as harsh and strict and your tongue is silent about those which are easy on your nafs. So you do not accept a opinion because it is harsh and not because whether it is valid or not. If we were to apply this logic then we will be left with no deen! By no mean, I am asking you to weigh the text or become mujtahid as this is not the job of laypeople. However, we also need to make sure that we do not follow the incorrect and odd opinions of scholars.
Unlike you, I do not post my personal oneliner fataws. I have posted the nasus and the understanding of the scholars and the reason is simple - to answer the poster’s question. If you do not like it then no one is asking you to like it or follow it. If you have made taqleed of minor or weak opinion then you cannot be blameworthy for it because we are laypeople; however, you cannot go around and pose the other view or even as far as rejecting the ruling of Allah altogether!
1 - What value these scholars incorrect opinions have against the clear Nass and the ijmaa’ of the early Sunni giant scholars? Unlike you, I mention the difference of opinions among scholars - given that it is valid or the dispute started among the early scholars. I clearly mentioned it in the case of playing chess and have done it in the past. Why should I promote or hold onto these contemporary scholars’ odd incorrect opinions!? Why appeal to these contemporary scholars to begin with?
The general ruling regarding drawing image is clear like sun; however, the scholars may have differed on some minor details.
2 - Sister, please fear Allah and beware that you will be questioned for what you say. Either you have lied against Shaykh Nuh Keller or Shaykh Faraz Rabbani lied against him because according to Faraz Rabbani:
The position taken by most scholars of the Subcontinent, and many great Arab scholars is that photographs fall under the rubric of taswir (picture-making) of living creatures and humans, which has been** explicitly forbidden in over 20 hadiths. This is the position of my main teachers, including Sheikh Nuh Keller.** This is certainly the more cautious position, as a reading of the hadiths on the issue, which are extremely stern, would indicate.
this is not what has been stated, again do not use straw man please. You are not drawing his ear because of your will but rather because he has lost his ear and that definitely not comes under the heading the scholars have talked about.
it is not strawman - it is called example and evidence. Further you seem to be changing your stance now and instead of the original "never draw an image" now going into the intention of drawing or not drawing parts of it. Are you following what the Quran said or making things up as you go?
rulings are rulings and maybe if you could show me logical reasoning in your every single secular law then you have a leg to stand and argue against Islam. Until you cannot and I have told you before that please clean your home garbage first before posting such comments about Islam. The earless example follows common sense nicely - if an image is not complete then it is not really an image of whole animated being and that is something which is not warned about it in the hadith.
this is laughable and foolish. How is drawing an earless man not drawing an image? Does the man become inanimate due to missing one ear? Or are you saying whoever made up that hadith didn't know the difference?
And why should I not comment about Islam if you can? atleast I don't make up stuff like you seem to
there are situations where certain Islamic rulings are exempted - extreme situations (life and death), necessity, and such. Using TV to spread/defend/teach Islam does not come under the prohibition and this is what the contemporary scholars have agreed upon.
and Allah knows best
oh! so now you are saying it is ok to draw images based on necessity! please provide reference to what you base this on; since your interpretations so far have been self contradictiry and ridiculous please quote what you base this on.
And while you are at it, see if you can deal with the consequence of what you stated - If somebody draws the picture of Allah in a picture-story and shows it to children as part of spreading islam, I assume you are fine with that?
will we ever get out of this halal/haram thing? like seriously people.. incomplete pictures are like glass without water.. ( i know wrong comparison ) but c'mon.. drawing pictures which resembles nobody or a profession which requires one to draw pictures or take pictures, how would that ever be haram? are we sure , we know the meaning of halal/haram to its fullest ?
It’s not about the strict opinion of scholars you post, it’s about the way you convey your message with pride and boasting about yourself. Brother fear Allah.
No it’s not. If it was so clear than there won’t be any arguments and different opinions among the scholars.
I don’t understand what’s your point? Again you have given only a para that you liked from Shaykh Faraz Rabbani’s opinion…please read the next para too that says:
Others, though, differed and considered photographs to be different from the prohibited taswir. This is the position of some major scholars, too. As such, one cannot condemn those who take pictures. (However, if the appropriate opportunity presents itself, one may give them nasiha (sincere advice) towards that which is best.)
You think you are being unbiased but you’re not. You choose to give the most strict opinion as the final words of the Scholars.
yeah… i wonder who gets all the ideas for these retarded fatwas…