so we know sketching a real person is haram but is doodling all other stuff haram aswell .by stuff i mean is doodling a monster or a character which doesnt exist in the real world?
so we know sketching a real person is haram but is doodling all other stuff haram aswell .by stuff i mean is doodling a monster or a character which doesnt exist in the real world?
It's fine as long as you don't start worshipping it...lolz
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as-salamu 'alaykum
drawing pictures of animated beings is fine as long as face is not completely drawn. For example, missing mouth, or eyes, or nose or ear. The incomplete images do not come under the forbidden category.
I do not think that it matters whether something exists or not, the ruling is general regarding animated beings
Allahu A'lam
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huh? am I misunderstanding this? you mean drawing somebody without a hand (eg war veteran) is ok but if the same person comes back unharmed, then it is a sin?
I know there were riots for drawing the prohphet a couple of years agu but that was because the guy drew him in a deragatory manner I thought (he had a bomb on the picture)
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^please read carefully what I said: drawing pictures of animated beings is fine as long as face is not completely drawn.
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but im an artist that paints portraites.....
IM HARAM .............HELP.................HELP..........
:SMACK:
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This cartoons without face thing makes no sense. You either draw a picture or you don't.
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A man we know is so strict that he keeps a permanent marker in his pocket all the time and whenever he sees a face he ruins it with the marker. He put marker all over his daughter’s doll’s face and other toys. Seriously, I’m not joking.
Another very strict woman who was teacher at an islamic after school…brought a lion’s picture without its head and it made children very confused, they thought it was a bear and some kids were asking where’s its head?
She told them strictly that it’s haram to draw a face.
I obviously couldn’t take it and told the whole story to the organizers who then gave her a nice lecture.
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how can drawing or taking pictures be haram?? we r not claiming to be Allah (nauzobillah) or anythin lik that... we hav no intention of being the Creator... so why is drawing or taking pictures haram???
the ruling is found in the statement of Allah’s Messenger (sal-allahu alayhi wa sallam):
It is not permissible to draw and make images of animate beings, whether they are engraved, on paper, on cloth or anything else, because of the report narrated by al-Bukhaari (2105) and Muslim (2107) from ‘Aa’ishah the Mother of the Believers (may Allaah be pleased with her), that she bought a cushion on which there were images. When the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) saw it, he stood at the door and did not enter. She said: I recognized displeasure in his face. I said: O Messenger of Allaah, I repent to Allaah and His Messenger, what have I done wrong? The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “What is this pillow?” She said: I bought it for you to sit on and recline on. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The makers of these images will be punished and it will be said to them, ‘Bring to life that which you have created.’” Then he said: “The house in which there are images is not entered by the angels.”
And Muslim (2110) narrated that Sa’eed ibn Abi’l-Hasan said: A man came to Ibn ‘Abbaas and said: I am a man who makes these images; advise me about that. He said to him: Come close to me. So he came closer to him. He said: Come closer to me. So he came closer to him, until he put his hand on his head and said: I will tell you what I heard from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Every image maker will be in Hell, and for every image that he made, a soul will be created which will punish him in Hell.” He said: If you must do that, then make (images of) trees and inanimate things.
Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in Sharh Saheeh Muslim: Our companions and other scholars said: Making images of animals is emphatically haraam and is a major sin, because this stern warning which is mentioned in the ahaadeeth is issued concerning it. That applies whether he makes it to be used in ways that are not respectful or otherwise. Making it is haraam in all cases, because it is competing with the creation of Allaah. That applies whether the image is in a garment or a carpet or a dirham or a dinar or a penny or a vessel or a wall or anything else. As for making images of trees, camel saddles and other things in which there are no images of animals, that is not haraam.
Islam Question and Answer - Is it permissible for children to draw pictures of animate beings?
@hareem
Please let sincere people learn about their deen.
I have advised you before that do not speak without knowledge or issue your personal fatawas. You are a layperson like rest of us but you go around mocking the understanding of the scholars and saying “fullan is haraam or fullan is halal”. Do you have any evidence for what you say? What I said before is what I learned from trustworthy traditional scholars, who DEFINITELY know what they are talking about and do no speak from their desires.
What you have stated above is utter rubbish (calling such Muslims extremists). This whole idea of extremists/fundamentalists/strict Muslims is a oxymoron. By definition, a Muslim is one who submits to the Will of Allah, meaning the Commands and rulings of Allah. To say one can be a Muslim but let not be so extremists by submitting oneself to every Command of Allah, is an oxymoron and contradiction. What do you want us to do, give up certain rulings of religion so that you are pleased and say “oh look we Muslims are not strict or extreme” or “masa’Allah look fullan is not so strict”. I hardly have any words to describe this blunder and rubbish idea and specially when it comes from Muslims.
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^Look the way you talk...
Where did you get the idea of making face without eyes or ears?
Btw That person's little daughter cried and complained about her father's harshness but you won't understand it......Alhamdulilah I can.
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how r we gonna catch criminals without fotos n sketches in certain cases??? is that allowed??
Muhummad was commanded in the strongest words from issuing any religious teachings besides the Quran (Quran 69:38-47). He was even enjoined from explaining the Quran (75:15-19) or the revelations would have been stopped. God is the only teacher of the Quran (55:1-2), not the scholars (9:31). The Quran also informs us that it is the best Hadith (39:23 & 45:6) and HE made the Quran easy to learn (54:17, 22, 32, 40, 51).
So,** one guy** said to another guy who heard another guy with no name saying that he heard the prophet say something **to him **approximately 200 years after the death of the Prophet....And you believe this to be to true?!?! It is hearsay false attributed to Muhammad against his will.
Perhaps you are unaware that Quran prophesied the fabrication of Hadith and Sunna by the Prophets enemies. Yes! It is right in the Quran: [6:112] We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other fancy words, in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their fabrications.
[6:113] This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such fabrications, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions.*
[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete,* in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.
[6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. T*hey follow only conjecture*; they only guess. As you can see from Quran, GOD permitted the creation of fabricated hadiths & Sunnah in order to expose those who do not REALLY believe in the Hereafter. When you think about it, it makes perfect sense. If people do not believe in the hereafter, they do not think they will be held accountable for the actions in this life. So, why would they go against the societal norms and obey the Quran only as decreed in Quran.
Yet another example of hearsay (rumours) transmitted approx. 200 years after the prophet died. Since, you do not trust the Quran over your 'other' sources of guidance, here is a hadith for you. The Prophet said, "Do not write down anything from me except the Quran." [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 171, and Sahih Muslim]
This Hadith states that the Prophet maintained his ANTI-HADITH stand until death. [Ahmed, Vol. 1, Page 192]
Here are some more verses from QUran condemning 'other' sources of religious guidance: o Which Hadith, other than God and His revelations, do they uphold? [Quran 45:6] o The Quran is not a fabricated Hadith; ...it details everything. [12:111] o Some people uphold vain Hadith to divert others from the path of God. [31:6] o The only Sunna to follow shall be God's Sunna. [17:77, 33:62, 48:23, 6:114] I am not mocking the understanding of your scholars. I am simply rebutting your claims with what the Quran says. Who are we to trust? Man-made fabricated hearsay that was condemned by the prophet, or GOD's revelations? We are NOT to set up our religious scholars as lords who are infallible and blindly listen to their 'opinions'. [QURAN 9:31] They have set up their religious leaders and scholars as lords, instead of GOD. Others deified the Messiah, son of Mary. They were all commanded to worship only one god. There is no god except He. Be He glorified, high above having any partners. [6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. T*hey follow only conjecture*; they only guess. You are correct when you say that submitting to the will of GOD, is obeying HIS commands and rulings ONLY. Those commands are found in the QURAN only.
Peace
Flawed attempt to refute AkB's arguments.
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^Yes, seems like some other agenda here, and not just discussion...
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everyone is not a ISlamic scholar and I don't suppose Islam was made only for scholars.
I will ask in "lay person's" (as someone referred to the people) languagage.
A soldier goes to war and loses his ear - it is cut of by sharpnel. Another in the same war was luckier and did not lose any organs When the two come back home, according to the "scholarly" view / diktat expressed above, it will be a sin to draw the guy with the ears but it's ok to drae the guy without the ears!!!
doesn't sound like it is well founded at all.
This whole no-image thing seems to be one big misunderstand centuries ago that millions and millions of muslims follow religiously (no pun intended). As a matter of faith it is their prerogative but trying to found a logical reasoning or interpretation for it seems futile (due to things like the the earless example above)
even if it was well founded 1400 years ago, it doesn't anymore in these days of ePrinting, graphic computers, cameras and televisions.
Why is it ok for islamic scholars to be photographed and shown on tv? can anyone name ONE islamic scholar that hasn't be photographed this century? even if you can, does that mean EVERY islamic scholar that has been photographed is a sinner?
What you have stated above is utter rubbish (calling such Muslims extremists). This whole idea of extremists/fundamentalists/strict Muslims is a oxymoron. By definition, a Muslim is one who submits to the Will of Allah, meaning the Commands and rulings of Allah. To say one can be a Muslim but let not be so extremists by submitting oneself to every Command of Allah, is an oxymoron and contradiction. What do you want us to do, give up certain rulings of religion so that you are pleased and say "oh look we Muslims are not strict or extreme" or "masa'Allah look fullan is not so strict". I hardly have any words to describe this blunder and rubbish idea and specially when it comes from Muslims.
Well said. :)
according to the hadeeth you posted creating images/drawings of living beings (human and animals) is haram but drawing non living thing is fine .
My question still confuses me ,will the imaginary characters be considered halal.Like lets say i adore making monsters but monsters dont exist.So would they be allowed to make?
And i donot agree with your frist reply which says we can draw incomplete face.What difference would it make if we draw the same eye/nose which God has created?
1) the Quran says not to uphold any 'other' source of religious guidance besides the Quran
2) Muhammad was commanded NOT to issue any other teachings or GOD would have stopped the revelations (Quran) to him, and
3) Muhammad order muslims NOT to write down anything from him except Quran.
Yes. That is what I am saying. Quran condemns ANY OTHER source of religious guidance other than the Quran. Hadiths & sunna are clearly fabrications falsely attributed to Muhammad as they came approx. 200 years after the death of the prophet. Hadiths & Sunnah are the Islamic equivalent of the Jewish Talmud. The muslims made the same mistake as the Jews.
**THERE's definitely something wrong with you, and it roots deeper than your imagination. Please have yourself checked first.
Thank you.**
what is wrong with how I talk? Did I insult you, mock you? What do you want me to do when people say things which has no basis in Islam and then attribute it to Islam - sit back and have a cup of cofee and say everything is just fine? allhamdulillah, I have geerah for my deen and so should you! Not trying to be arrogant because everything comes from Allah and He bestows us wisdom, knowledge, guides us to haqq.
If you think this is harsh then you should refelct upon your statements and magntitude of those statements. I am not forcing you to adopt certain views but I do ask Allah that may He guide you to haqq, ameen. I have only advised you to not say things without knowledge and that is all and by no mean I am claiming that I am perfect. Whatever you do is your fair. But be ready for harsh cricitsm if you distort Islamic teachings or issue your personal fatawas. We are obliged to ask people of knowledge, so let us refer to them.
and I ask you and Allah to forgive me for unneccasry comments and unfair harshness.
because that is not a complete picture, is it? The hadith is talking about complete picture because that is immatating the creation of Allah. This is how the scholars have understood it:
1 - The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The image is the head; if the head is cut off, there is no image.” Narrated by al-Ismaa’eeli in his Mu’jam from the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Abbaas and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah no. 1921 and in Saheeh al-Jaami’ no. 3864.
The majority of fuqaha’ are of the view that if something is cut off from an image without which it could no longer live, then it is not a haraam image. For a detailed discussion of this issue and the views of other madhhabs, see Ahkaam al-Tasweer fi’l-Fiqh al-Islami, pp. 224-240.
Source: Islam Question and Answer - Ruling on drawing smiley faces when chatting on the internet
2 - Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: With regard to dolls made of cloth, where the image does not have clear features, even though it has limbs, a head and neck, but there are no eyes or nose, there is nothing wrong with that, because this is not imitating the creation of Allaah. Source: ]Islam Question and Answer](Is Drawing Faces Prohibited? - Islam Question & Answer)
3 - Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ibraaheem said: But if the image is originally incomplete, such as a head-and-shoulders picture, etc., and there is removed from the picture that without which is could not live, then it may be understood from the comments of many of the fuqahaa’ that this is permissible, especially if there is a need for such partial pictures. Source: Islam Question and Answer - Ruling on making partial image in cases of necessity
subhaanAllah, how did you reach this conclusion? Do you know my in and out? when did I say that fathers can be harsh to their children in this matter? khayr, I care less about what you say about me. But I won’t tolerate people distorting Islam when they got no basis for it.
Muslims are suppose to be balanced and not extreme when applying the rulings nor extreme by rejecting them and calling the followers strict/extreme. What do people think Islam is: a bed of roses?
waAllahu A’lam (and Allah knows best)
@submitmj
take your discussion on rejecting ahadith somewhere else - start a new thread and we will discuss there insha'Allah.
bro, I do not have answer to your specific questions because I do not know. I have explained and brought evidence to support the general ruling with the understanding of the scholars. I will get back to you later, insha'Allah - I will direct your questions to my shaykh and you will have to wait for an answer.
how r we gonna catch criminals without fotos n sketches in certain cases??? is that allowed??
this is an extreme and necessity case - allhamdulillah, Islam takes care of necessity and extreme cases. In such cases, drawing is allowed and Allah knows best!
A soldier goes to war and loses his ear - it is cut of by sharpnel. Another in the same war was luckier and did not lose any organs When the two come back home, according to the "scholarly" view / diktat expressed above, it will be a sin to draw the guy with the ears but it's ok to drae the guy without the ears!!!
this is not what has been stated, again do not use straw man please. You are not drawing his ear because of your will but rather because he has lost his ear and that definitely not comes under the heading the scholars have talked about.
This whole no-image thing seems to be one big misunderstand centuries ago that millions and millions of muslims follow religiously (no pun intended). As a matter of faith it is their prerogative but trying to found a logical reasoning or interpretation for it seems futile (due to things like the the earless example above)
rulings are rulings and maybe if you could show me logical reasoning in your every single secular law then you have a leg to stand and argue against Islam. Until you cannot and I have told you before that please clean your home garbage first before posting such comments about Islam. The earless example follows common sense nicely - if an image is not complete then it is not really an image of whole animated being and that is something which is not warned about it in the hadith.
Why is it ok for islamic scholars to be photographed and shown on tv? can anyone name ONE islamic scholar that hasn't be photographed this century? even if you can, does that mean EVERY islamic scholar that has been photographed is a sinner?
there are situations where certain Islamic rulings are exempted - extreme situations (life and death), necessity, and such. Using TV to spread/defend/teach Islam does not come under the prohibition and this is what the contemporary scholars have agreed upon.
and Allah knows best