Is a South Asian Union like the European Union Possible?

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Yes you cant understand what you have shut your mind for. Please have some coffer or get some reality check before commenting further and thinking yourself as big boss.

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I guess that too lol :D

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Aaho,

All of us are free to choose what we believe in. I have "shut my mind" to the idea of pink elephants, flying fairies, djinns, etc. If others choose to believe them, all the power to them.

As for reality check, any undergrad student of Political Science can tell you the basic tenet of Realism: Human beings are selfish individuals, and so are States. In other words when State negotiate with each other then: Jiski laathi useeki bhains ( the stronger one dictates) .

This is an unfortunate fact of life.

South Asian Union (which includes Pakistan) can only emerge if various "issues" between India-Pakistan are resolved. But, unfortunately in the present scenario, India has the laathi ( power) . So she will prefer to resolve these issues in her favour. This is, understandably, unacceptable to most Pakistanis. Thus, the issues may remain unresolved and the idea South Asian Union will remain a non-starter.

All this doesn't preclude the idea of a South Asian Union in which Pakistan doesn't participate, as we are increasingly seeing that the Elite in other South Asian countries are realizing they will benefit most if they have good relations with India ( the hegemon or Big Boss if you prefer) . Anyways most Pakistanis will prefer to join Arab Union because of cultural , religious affinities and they are much richer as opposed to the rampant poverty of India.

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Let us vote…

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/444428-is-a-south-asian-union-like-the-european-union-possible.html

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Well I think you do understand my language well now HAHA :D because I can see something burning on coal now.

Actually you are flying too high than the reality. Why China Extend more relation to Pakistan than Indian even knowing that Indians call Pakistan as failed state? You still need a reality check rather than having some dictation over here :D

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Okay aaho mian , you win !

Happy ?

Allah Hafiz !

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there’s already a website devoted to this topic :smiley: i never knew

a bangladeshi by the name of saulat kamran runs it, the site has this annoying “a whole new world” music in the background that can’t be turned off

http://www.southasianunion.net/dr-yunus.php

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We may be deferent cultures, religions, languages etc. but we are all human and descendent or genealogy of first man on earth-- Prophet Adam (pbuh). We all have to come closer and make ourselves ambitious to lay down the foundation of the Union . Proposed 44 countries are mentioned below:

                                                       Saudi  Arabia, Yemen, Oman, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait,  Iraq, Jordan Lebanon, Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Cyprus, Iran,  Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan,  Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Nepal, Bhutan Bangladesh Sri Lanka,  Maldives, Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam Malaysia Singapore  Indonesia, , Brunei, China, Mongolia, North Korea, South Korea, Japan  and Philippine.
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*Proposal for future South Asian Union (SAU) *
1. The mass people of this region want to abolish visa system for them selves in order to enjoy traveling facility freely and free trade among the regional countries like EU states.....The Afghan president his Excellency Mr. Hamid Karzai and his Government allready joined into SAARC.
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                   3. All states will keep there own national flags as state flag and one common union flag, like that of EU. 



                   4. We can  establish joint military command council for the defense of the whole  region like EU. That means we can unite in a union to ensure human life  security along with a strong economy like European Union.

all that's from the site.....i was only thinking of pak,ind, bangla. he's taking it a bit toooooo far with some of his rules :D

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NO, its not necessary for someone to play Junior Role. This is the mindset thats not letting things progress In South Asia and for sake of argument if we assume that we DO need a junior Role here

1) Is India ready to sacrifice as a "big brother". Big brother tag comes with a price. Is India ready to pay the price? NO

2) Is India ready to be junior partner to China? Will that not be a direct assault on the "honour and dignity" of Indian Elite

Manisha, what has SL, bhutan and Nepal has done to get out of South Asia?

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This is the mindset thats not letting things progress In South Asia
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I am afraid you are wrong. India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Maldives, Bhutan are progressing fine. Nepal is unfortunately stuck because of political instability not because of "mindset".

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1) Is India ready to sacrifice as a "big brother". Big brother tag comes with a price. Is India ready to pay the price? NO
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You mean like the Amreekans are paying to Pakistan. I am afraid no ! We are a poor country .

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2) Is India ready to be junior partner to China? Will that not be a direct assault on the "honour and dignity" of Indian Elite
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You make some fallacious assumptions :
1. India is not seeking a Sino-Indian Economic Union. So there is no question of being a juniour parter to them.
2. But if we were, it would be a direct assault, not on the Elite, rather on the wishes of the Indian Citizens who elect Indian government. India is, in the words of many guppies, Democrazy . So she does crazy things :)

Even when she was a beggar nation, India never played the role of a Junior partner, except for a small period to Russia because of the circumstances surrounding the '71 war ( But even then no Russian bases on Indian soil !)

So you will ask : why India refuses to be junior partner of more powerful states and expects Pakistan to be? Are Indians egoist ? Selfish? Arrogant?

Despite being a beggar nation with 100 insurgencies, rampant corruption, yearly Muslim genocides, etc wily Indian banias have convinced the world ( except Pakistan!) that it is in their interests to do business with her. So last month Cameroon came, next month Ombaba is coming.

But Pakistan only expects things to be given :
Give us Sir Creek!
Give us Siachen!
Give us Kashmir!

Convince us it is in India's interest to be a equal parter of Pakistan. The only thing that I see is loss. Hence the idea of SAU is a non starter.

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Although our reasons might be different but I totally agree.

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Convince us it is in Pakistan's interest to be an EQUAL partner of Pakistan... with the mindsets of yours.. it is a non-starter... you can go ahead and glorify yourself from the statements coming out of Cameron and Obama... who are still not EX but the masters...

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Where did I glorify India :( ?

I think if you read my post above you will see that I called India a beggar nation. 100 insurgencies.Maoists. Caste violence. Religious genocides. Dark. Ugly. Short.

If the rest of the world dumb enough to believe that they can deal with us as equals, then how is it our fault ? :(

Pakistan will continue to follow the martial tradition of last 63 years and India her beggar tradition. Divergent trajectories. No Reconciliation. No SAU!

Case closed .

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well yea, whatever is considered south asia, that southasiaunion site even has middle eastern and southeast asian countries listed, 44 countries is a bit too much to handle

i’d say china + the couple south asian countries is enough.

but there’s still that childish rivalry between ind and pak that will never ever end!!! always putting each other down :rolleyes: :stuck_out_tongue: (i hate these new smileys)

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India is in reality a union of states without two world wars (two world war = Gandhi), if south asian union happens it would be historic and back to the reality which is, 'we are all from the same root', may be it might happen after all the Pakistani Generals who were affected by formation of Bangladesh just dye off.

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I would rather want a world wide union of all Islamic states, that is much more beneficial to Pakistan.
Just imagine you can go to or trade openly with Turkey, or Malaysia or ....

That kind of open trade was what made the Golden Islamic age. Thats what we want. No need to make a union with Indian.
Pakistan is a failed state any way like make indians believe, so why do they want this ?

May be Indian can first stop killing Kashmiris, and stop strangling Pakistan with all the dams its building on the rivers flowing to Pakistan.

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Unions can only happen if all partners are on equal footing, and since India doesn't treat Pakistan equally. How the F can you expect this to happen.

I still remember the days after India had conducted nuclear experiments they were all acting crazy, oh we will destroy Pakistan etc etc...
and when Pakistan conducted the experiments, all the indians were like: we should talk.

How can we be in unity with such hypocrites.

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Krisent said :

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if south asian union happens it would be historic and back to the reality which is, 'we are all from the same root',
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You mean "Akhand Bharat". Most Pakistanis will be appalled by your implication. They will say that they are of Middle-Eastern/Central Asian stock whilst Indians are not.

Jhoom said:

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I would rather want a world wide union of all Islamic states, that is much more beneficial to Pakistan.
Just imagine you can go to or trade openly with Turkey, or Malaysia or ....

That kind of open trade was what made the Golden Islamic age. Thats what we want. No need to make a union with Indian.
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Amen

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Pakistan is a not a failed state any way like make indians believe, so why do they want this ?
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Only some soft headed People of Indian Origin who do have no appreciation for the history of the subcontinent and do not feel the pain of of Mumbai want this. I apologize on their behalf. Most Indians are in agreement with you.

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May be Indian can first stop killing Kashmiris, and stop strangling Pakistan with all the dams its building on the rivers flowing to Pakistan.
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Thank you for helping me to add one more adjective to Indians: sexually depraved individuals who enjoy sadism and snuff.

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It is not possible. I know you are being romantic, but such a scenario will be Indian government's security nightmare.
Unresolvable issues like Kashmir can be resolved by far less efforts. aazmaaish shart he.