Is a scantily dressed woman a "meat" responsible for her own rape?

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Two wrongs don't make a right. The analogy used by the Imam was simplisitc to an absurd degree. What the Imam is essentially saying is that can we fault the rapist for acting on his urges? The fact is, rape is not tied to sexually appealing women.

Look at who gets raped in Pakistan... it's typically your pious house wife who leads a humble life...even prostitues are spared this crime.

The fact is, rape is a Man's problem...

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Rape is a rampent problem in the middle east, whereby house maids are considerd fair game. In Pakistan, to suggest rape isn't a problem is just silly. You're probably simply unaware, or are too good (and nieve) a person to see the reality. Again, if you thing the Mossey's who frequent urban homes to do a bit of house cleaning aren't sexually molested once and a while...you're living in a fantasy land. Let's not fall into the trap that just because we haven't witnissed it, it implies it didn't happen. That's just not how things work.

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who are these butch lesbians you are referring to?

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the imam never said that it was not the fault of the rapist…
he just meant that dressing bad provokes such actions and hence modest dresses shud be encouraged…

i’ve said it in another thread, and i repeat here, a rapist wud rape anyone no matter how she is dressed, but revealing dresses can stir up the lust in a person who wud not otherwise do such a thing…

but just to disregard this statement that loose dressing can be a cause of rape, the west (who really want to give no excuse for a woman to cover up) came up with this stupid theory of “rape is about power and there is no lust involved” and our “goras r always right” supporters follow it blindly…
unless they dont put down this very wrong theory, there is no way they can understand what the imam meant…

and those who think that rape rate is higher in the east than in the west, they need to wake up and stop believing biased western media…

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Its not a stupid theory. Its a theory and pretty much accepted fact, after much research.

People don't just quack this stuff out. They really research it, debate it, and finally it comes to a conclusion. The idea that rape is a crime of power and not lust has come about after many many years of debate. Rewind some decades ago, and most Americans thought just like you did.

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^ its all about lust, except for the rare cases in which its about revenge, the rest is all about lust....

its like a thief who'll steal even if he can get it by asking, but stealing is the only thing that excites him....

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I’m surprised most of the guys in Life1 aren’t rapists by now, then. :rolleyes:

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maybe forced sex is not the way they wish to satiate their lust....
maybe they have some other fetish....

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Rape is more reported in West because difference in interpretation of rape and no fear of stigma in the minds of victim.

It is definitely a crime of aggression and overpowering not lust. if some one can think of doing rape for lust, i give him full marks for being even lower than animals. how can somebody even think of enjoying the rape, even if your partner shows lack of involvement in this act, you get switched off, how on earth some body can enjoy this act for sex & lust. he only enjoys it as oppression, overpowering & domination.

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You are right Fan.

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oh my gosh!! clearly you are sexually repressed and pissed at women for whatever reason, perhaps b/c they ignore or maybe your mother did not love you enough. However what you are saying is very clearly personal to you! But research has indicated rape to be a crime of aggression NOT passion. Women who wear hijab niqab and cover thier bodies in a burqa...get raped. an american women who walk around in a skimpy tiny little bikini dress through the same village will not get raped...it is b/c its much easier to control the passive woman. the irony is women in burqa are presumed to be passive so more likely to get raped. where as women who are showing more skin may be less likely to get raped b/ they may seem assertive. either way, its a crime of aggression, it is a man's problem as someone said. it does not have to do with a women.

Though ofcourse i advise all women, no matter how they dress to not go into quite sketchy areas at night, and try and stay away from situations where things like this can happen.

As for date rape. it is really not that easy to prosecute a man for rape. its really difficult to put a man ehind jail just b/c of a women's lone testimony. its really not as easy as well the women said it so thats it and now the guy is in jail. there is always more needed in terms of evidence. and usually if the guy is a ******* to begin with - its easier to get the evidence the more of a jerk the man is. in any event, slim chance your friend ended up in jail just b/c this girl said he raped her....u need a lot more then that b4 u can put someone away that way.

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its actually very difficult for most women to talk about such things, most women dont just walk around calling everything rape, and additionally its very difficult to prove rape even if the women is saying it

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one item that has nor ben brought up in this thread is acquantance rape, I would not call it date rape because in countries like Pakistan were dating is still on the downlow, there is rape by people within the family, or by servants, or of servants etc etc. If anyone is familar with an organization called W.A.R in Karachi (stands for women against rape) you can get some astounding stats. Of course much of it gets brushed under the rug...izzat ka maamla...girl is admonished for doing something to bring it upon herself, and the perp walks free and free to target other girls/boys in the family in future.

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farwah is correct, date rape type fo thing is not just set on the girls word, there are medical test done to test for forced intercourse to date rape drugs and what nots.

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well Rape as a final act is definitely aggression, overpowering and domination.

Acquaintance rapes as mentioned by my friend above mostly start with lust, The person usually tries the normal friendship tactics, if the girl becomes a partner, well and good otherwise the ego of the person is hurt on rejection and than he goes on to revenge and domination phase. at that time he does not care about sex or pleasure, rather it becomes an ego problem. it is seldom that the rape is the first act of drama.

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rape is all about the man having power over the women. for a rapist it dont matter wether the women is dressed, half dressed or naked. lust does not even come into rape its all about the power for men...........but then again there are women who take advantage of men who are not fully concious of wats happening

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It is extreemly stupid and incredibly lame to speak against men commiting rape and in favor of women getting raped without looking at the "factors", "temptations" and "stimuli" precipitating rape and similar crimes.

I support the Imam COMPLETLY for his claim that dressing bad provokes such actions and hence modest dresses shud be encouraged....

In addition, I completely agree with armughals point of view and detest all the "one eyed" western view of rape propagated here.

There is no legality of rape be it "forced" or " with consent"........ end of story.

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Bull...

Are you a rapist male? Enough with your silly feminist psychological ramblings…

That might be the case in certain incidents but it certainly wouldn’t be all the time, rapists are horny bstrds and when women tease them they get a bit over excited but when they resist their moves maybe anger comes into play as well.

My friend got jail sentence because a drunk girl at a club took him back home whilst he was pretty pissed himself, had consensual sex with him, left him to sleep on the couch, went to bed, came down next morning to find him sleeping in her house so she rang police and got him done when ishe was just as responsible.. It's bloody SICK, a lot of the time these women are sluts and gagging for it and just as responsible as men but who gets done? Poor bloke, makes you sick!!
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your friend was just as responsible as the girl here, for going home with a drunk women, dont use this as an excuse to belittle rape victims.

As for the maulvi, whilst it wasnt the best example to use, he does have a point. Heres something to ponder. most experts have suggested that rapists in the west, often go for a certain type of women, women that they can easily attack and make a quick get away from.

One factor that often comes up as their weak point, is their clothing. Not so much because it attracts, but because minimal clothing are easier to remove than say, several layers.

Other things also factored, anyone carrying something such as an umbrella or a bag, that could be used as a potential weapon was also a detterent incase they used it aganist the rapist. even strong eye contact could put them off for fear of being identified.

Now not carrying an umbrella or a weapon such as a spray might make you more vulnerable to attacks, but thats about it. It does not make you responsible. Theres a difference between the two, and so long as folks blame the vulnerable person, it is likely they are projecting the culprits own responsibilty onto the victim. a key mindset for an abuser.

heres another example that you've prolly heard of, a house that has a window open, will definately attract a thief more so then a house that has full cctv security system right? but should the thief get in and burgle the house, sure the owner was naive or careless to leave the window open, but thats about it. they are not responsible in the eyes of law!

the thief and only the thief will be held responsible. Now dont blast me for comparing women to houses, but the similar example definately applies. whatever the reason, no doubt half clothed women are more vulnerable, but that doesnt mean they are responsible for the unwanted action of someone else. Nor does it mean that fully clad women are not vulnerable either, perhaps not to the same extent, but they definately can be a target depending on how determined the attacker is.

In countries like pak however, getting away with it is usually not a problem, which is why even burka clad women are easy targets. Hence the problem here, is not the clothing so much as the one track mind set of the rapist and the consequences of the law, should they get caught.

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ma mooli, nice houses in nice neighbourhoods get broken into more than shanty huts also by your token just because someomne builds a nice house ina nice area he is somehow responsible if some burgular breaks in?

now of the animals who this idiot imam was making excuses for, have you read the whole story? they would have found targets, if not these girls someone else..its not like oh there are no women in tantops and shorts here so lets give up on the idea.

They would have gone for someone else..maybe. but they would have gone for someone...

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mr fraudia, i know it was a tad long, but did you read all of my reply?

firstly, the example of nice houses and shanty houses does not give, for one, because that would be talking about nice clothing, and horrible clothing. something that doesnt come up in the eyes of a rapist.

the only extent i agree with the imams point, is the scantily dressed are more vulnerable. the responsibility with women i dont agree with.

also the example of cats and meat was sickening to say the least but what i dont get is this, he asked his audience if meat is left outside and a cat eats it, whose fault is it, the cats or the meats? and audience replies, ‘the meats’. Like wha? :confused:

and then to justify it, he said he was taking about prostitues, well in that case the men pay for it, they are obviously still responsible.