Is a scantily dressed woman a "meat" responsible for her own rape?

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The Mufti of Australia said:

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-10-27T033519Z_01_SYD300677_RTRUKOC_0_US-RELIGION-AUSTRALIA-ISLAM.xml&WTmodLoc=IntNewsHome_C2_worldNews-7
“If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it … whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem,” Hilaly said, according to a newspaper translation.

And he is unapologitic:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20655998-5001021,00.html

The nation’s senior Muslim cleric yesterday addressed 2000 devout followers at Lakemba mosque, where earlier this month, during a fiery Ramadan sermon, he blamed women for inciting rape.

Despite worldwide condemnation, Sheik Elhilaly said the public outcry was "a storm in a cup’'.

Leaving the mosque 30 minutes later amid a heavy police presence and surrounded by chanting devotees, the mufti broke his silence on calls for him to resign.

"After they clean the world of the White House first,‘’ he responded.

His anti-Western tirade was followed by repeated shouts of "Allah akhbar’’ from his followers.

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what an idiot.
we need better imams
not these two bit nutjobs

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right on Mr. Fraudia!!

first of all i will never encourage a fully clothed or hald naked women to walk around in the dark alleys ever. i dont care if they are in a burkha or in a bikini....its dangerous be careful, so i think its nonsense that we preach that its okay to walk around dangerous streets for a women who is in hijab/ niqab, which is not true ...covered women equaly liely to get raped, some even more so b/c they maybe viewed as passive.

Secondly...Rape is a crime of agrression, not passion! its about he guys need to control someone and its not b/c the guy could not control his sexual urges!!! it is not about sex, its about power! lets be clear on that!

thirdly its such bs that we make rape into a crime of honor!!! the women gets raped and it becoems about he men somehow! thats nonsense!!!!

i say to all women, report report report the crime, if you are not in a western society where u can go to the police then email. write to a western feminist rights organization! they are just waiting to come into third world, specially muslim countries to lecture about women's rights, soo...report!!! and please dont tell me about washing dirty laundry infront of others, i think rape is a big enough deal that..if men in third world coutnries dont learn and if the criminal justice system is not made better to take care of such issues well then the negative attention is totally well deserved by any and all muslim coutnreis that are guilty

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It's not their fault but it certainly doesn't help them...that is why women should dress modestly and that is why rapists shud die.

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well i agree to farwah completely, Rape is not passion but aggression, it is not adultery but oppression.

I will like to tell that bloody imam that what an analogy he has drawn. Men are cats, free to roam around looking for uncovered meat and women to stay in refrigerators. So if a cat has destroyed the meat by biting it, throw it away in the dustbin and hit the cat with something which may or may not strike it. Cat is free to attack somewhere else but the meat is gone for good. which century he is from?

Its time that Muslims openly come out to shut these idiots once and for all. These people once given chance will create Taliban style government. They are making people afraid of Islam & Muslims themselves afraid of islams. His job is only to advise people with relevant excerpts from the Quran & Sunnah and not to pass verdicts

Have you ever.....
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Nothing justifies rape, the guy who rapes is responsible for his crime all the same whatever the girl was wearing and he deserves to be punished.

Now I know I’m going to piss some brainless feminists off with this next bit but I don’t care what they think because I think they’re gay, women who dress provocatively are provoking men to rape them, like I said that doesn’t mean the rapist is any less responsible (get that into your thick heads okay) but the women is also responsible to a certain extent if she dresses indecently and thereby gets the rapist 'all horny' or goes to dangerous places at dangerous times without being accompanied by a male who can take care of her.

It is stupid to blame just the woman like the Cleric seems to have done and it is equally stupid to clear the woman who dresses indecently and gets herself in to dangerous situations.

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Bull...

Are you a rapist male? Enough with your silly feminist psychological ramblings…

That might be the case in certain incidents but it certainly wouldn’t be all the time, rapists are horny bstrds and when women tease them they get a bit over excited but when they resist their moves maybe anger comes into play as well.

My friend got jail sentence because a drunk girl at a club took him back home whilst he was pretty pissed himself, had consensual sex with him, left him to sleep on the couch, went to bed, came down next morning to find him sleeping in her house so she rang police and got him done when ishe was just as responsible.. It's bloody SICK, a lot of the time these women are sluts and gagging for it and just as responsible as men but who gets done? Poor bloke, makes you sick!!

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Rape is a criminal mentality that does not require cover or not covering of body parts. No matter how one is careful, a rapist does not care where the prey lives, wears and believes in. Rapist is only looking for an opportunity.

It is not like we live in a veil covered world. Most of the people see scantly clad women everyday on TV, streets and other places; they do not go and rape women.

The day people start making distinctions on the main point. They will start seeing things beyond their inner prejudice and actually help make their society a better place to live in.

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the date rape type of thing is a little difficult to prove or disprove as it becomes a case of he said she said, regardless thats why being drunk is haram, or high etc. when you make idiotic decisions under the influence, or are with someone who is so wasted that she can not remember what she did, you are just asking for trouble.

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Sick, there are also women instead of admitting that they had consensual sex, some say that they were raped.

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Smurf, the example you pulled there is not an example of rape. Its an example of a false accusation for rape. That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about the actual motivation behind the crime of rape. Everyone in their sane mind who studies the topic and works with rapists and rape victims will support the fact that rapes are crimes of aggression, not of passion.

Even Islam classified it as a theft crime, rather than as a sexual crime. Because the man has taken something from the woman without her permission. Hence the punishment for rape is never on the female that was raped.

I myself had to counsel a rapist once before, and upon questioning him, I also felt that sexual urges were not the main factor. The main factor was the need to vent out aggression and the need to control/manipulate someone to feel better about themselves. The guy I counseled was angry that he couldn't find a female to consort with, and so he felt that it was his right to impose himself on any female, whenever he wanted whether she liked it or not. And he claimed that he enjoyed seeing their pain. That's not the same thing as wanting to conduct an intimate act with someone because they've turned you on.

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Rightly pointed out by PyariCgudia. but the debate has turned towards the definition of rape. we also need to see that does Islam forces a women to dres modestly or advise her only leaving the matter at her discretion. i mean to say is that is state allowed to make women wear modest dress & unish for not doing so as Taliban did or it is completly volunatry like Namaaz, you do and you are benefited in the afterlife, you do not do and you are punsihed in the afterlife. No questions asked here in this world.

PyariCgudia can you give me the reference for what you had stated,"classification of rape in Islam" as i understood rape to be crime of oppresion or fitnah. If it is a theft than what is its punsihment in Islam, like physical theft is cutting hand, this theft will mean cutting .......

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We've beat the Hudoud Ordinance to death in other threads, and according to religious text, rape is classified as a theft. I am not sure if it is also classified as a crime of brutality. I don't even know if there is such a classification.

The rape punishment according to sunnah is either death or flogging. I forget which.

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Well, this is not what Halily thinks. He calls a woman without hijab to be an “uncovered meat”, and he also is unapologetic about it.

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Well than he is an idiot.

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hy not simply admit that dressing bad just fules that "aggression" more....
and cud possibly even be the source of the aggressive mentality....

but feminists will always defend women and will never accept that the woman is doing anything wrong....

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armughal, your theory would only be supported if you had evidence that the majority of women who get raped are scandelously dressed. Rapes happen in so-called muslim countries where women cover up intensely. And don't talk about statistics in Pakistan at least. The Hudood Ordinance does a good job of preventing women from even reporting their rapes, so the stats are in Pakistan are way lower than what is reality.

I have lived in Miami before, and I can tell you that being a place in the US where you'll find the MOST scandelously clad women - you are safer walking the streets at night than you are walking out to the corner of your block in Pakistan at night (in khi). And in karachi, women dress VERY modestly.

How do you explain that?

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Don't you sheep ever wonder why rape rates in muslim countries are non-existant relative to the mad and sickening rape rates in the evil countries of the decadent west? I will tell you why.

In a muslim country a women is given respect by society and isn't valued by the size of her chest. A muslim society treats women with respect; they don't need to walk around naked to be valued. They are jugded on their piety and therefore wear clothes that cover their body. This results in men not being tempted by the womens immodesty and the non-existent rape rates.

In western countries women are treated like whores, strippers, the paradigm of a non-muslim woman. They are valued by how williing they are to open their legs to everyman on the street. They wear clothes that reveal and tempt men, therefore it is not surprising women get raped. Its very simple.

Edit: The uncovered meat analogy was excellent, but unfortunately somme butch lesbians have interpreted it with their own biased sterotype that a pious man views a women as a piece of meat. Here is another analogy.

What is more likely to be stolen, a diamond in a safe or a diamond kept out in the open. Now contrast this with a women wearing burka and a non-muslim women hanging garments from her sin producers. Who is more likely to be raped?

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She is not valued by her chest size?? You need to check out the rishta scene in Pakistan. Its heavily about figures and prettiness and looks. Very little about personality.

Rape stats are lower in western countries than eastern countries. Not because of religion, or dress, but because of safety and good law enforcement. Its common knowledge that its unsafe for women to walk around alone in many eastern countries, esp. women. A big reason why people flee from these countries for immigration.

A woman in burqa is not less likely/more likely to be raped. Even under the most extreme Islamic measures, women get raped. If it was about dress, the stats WOULD be dramatically lower, and they're not.

I can't believe how people are seriously thinking on this topic, and that they would actually think that rape is due to a man's uncontrollable lust. If so, then you discredit your own gender and make members of your own gender seem more like pigs than ever I could even if I spent 10 years on GS repeatedly calling men pigs.

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the problem with the idiot statement is not the bit that women who dress scantily tempt rapists, that may/may not be true depending on the rapist and the psychotherapist involved, but the part where he compares the rapist to a cat.

you cannot blame a cat for eating unprotected meat. you CAN blame a human being for stealing unprotected meat. it is not innate in a man's nature to rape any woman who didnt cover herself up completely, and so attempting to minimize that is stupid and insulting to men.