Iraq civilian toll passes 6,000

LONDON (Reuters) - New information from remote locations of Iraq has pushed up the civilian death toll from the U.S.-led war by 500 in the last month to at least 6,000, an Anglo-American research group says.

The Iraq Body Count’s (IBC) latest figures, based on media reports and more than a dozen counting projects from independent investigators in and outside Iraq, put the minimum number of civilians dead at 6,055 and the maximum at 7,706.

“Both the U.S. & the U.K. said they were taking every effort to minimise civilian casualties and talked a lot about smart, precision weapons,” IBC researcher John Sloboda told Reuters.

“From that, one could have expected a clean war with very few casualties, but I don’t call 5,000 to 7,000 very few. It is clear the coalition claims were political claptrap.”

The latest IBC toll has risen by about 500 after information arrived from areas that had not been reached before by outsiders. The group says its statistics are the most comprehensive collation of civilian deaths available.

“If you look at a map of Iraq, there are still a lot of places, that you would imagine allied troops have gone through, where there have been no reports of killings yet, simply because no journalist or researcher has gone there,” said Sloboda, a psychology professor from Britain’s Keele University.

The IBC, run by British and American academics and peace activists, has chastised London and Washington for not setting up an official investigation into civilian deaths.

“Then there are the deaths by malnutrition and dehydration as a consequence of the war which we haven’t even started talking about,” Sloboda added.

The United States and Britain have repeatedly stressed their tactics were designed to keep civilian casualties to a minimum.

But they are declining to give estimates.

“We made every effort to reduce civilian casualties by a careful targeting policy,” a spokesman for Britain’s Ministry of Defence said.

Iraq civilian toll passes 6,000

Both the U.S. & the U.K. said they were taking every effort to minimise civilian casualties and talked a lot about smart, precision weapons," More lies as usual from the mass murdering US and UK forces :frusty2:

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If you believed them. You are a perfect candidate for the Mr. World award for folly.

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If you believed them. You are a perfect candidate for the Mr. Word award for folly.
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i dont believe them for sure

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well actually with those comments i was being sarcastic :wave:

6000 Iraqi civilans killed - is that not more than twice the number killed (or missing) as a result of the terrorist attacks on the WTC?

I guess it would be better to put Saddam back in power right? More people would die but it wouldn't be as humiliating because it would be at the hands of a fellow Muslim, is that the thinking here?

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I guess it would be better to put Saddam back in power right?

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I guess you think it is better to kill twice as many innocent people as those that died at the WTC to achieve your aims?

No Malik not at all. Is that why the Muslims don't act against their dictatorships, against Saddam, because it doesn't come free?

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No Malik not at all.
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Then why does America end up killing twice as many innocent civilians as those that died at the WTC? Does it surely not equate to the fact that America has committed twice the amount of terrorism as those that perpetrated the attacks on the WTC?

Is America going to avenge the WTC attacks by killing thousands and thousands of more innocent civilians around the world, and then just dismiss these killings as "collateral damage"?

U.S. didn't go into Iraq to avenge those killed in the WTC.

Take no action is your policy Malik, correct?

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U.S. didn't go into Iraq to avenge those killed in the WTC.

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But ended up killing twice as many innocent people in Iraq as the WTC attacks.

Iraqi Civilians weren't targeted.

Let's put this into perspective.

Malik, you should realize that an American life is the most precious thing on earth. The remaining humans are less precious since they don't live in America, in the American way. When the terrorists killed many American's, the US president put the blame on Osama and his gang. But the larger christian American community put the blame on Islam in general. Hence every Muslim now has to pay for what the terrorists did.

It's just the way things are. When you are the super-power, every thing else is beneath you. Just look at how deaths are reported. American dead are fathers, mothers, sons and daughters who were brave people and worked in jobs like fire-fighting, police, business executives, engineers, architects, etc. They are remebered as individuals and monuments are built in their names and their families compensated. Extensive press coverage about their lives and their loved ones are beamed to the rest of the world and we are told what a great loss this is. No doubt.

On the other hand, Iraqi civilians are mere collatoral damage. These idiots just got in the way of the missiles and prevented them from hitting their real targets. Hence the whole lot is just a number, like the number of cattle slaughtered every day in a meat packing plant. We are never told that these people had names or were fathers, husbands, wives, mothers, etc. That is what a Muslim is worth in this war on terror.

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But the larger christian American community put the blame on Islam in general. Hence every Muslim now has to pay for what the terrorists did.

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Did you conduct a poll ? You accuse people stereotyping Muslims and then you go ahead and stereotype "the larger Christian American community.”

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UDT, please....as if the US acted under some poll conducted in Eye-Raq.

The excuse given by the honorable Don Rumsfield in different meeting, again and again was that "9-11 changed the US perception of security at home and in ME". So that perception was "vented out", and Iraq was at the receiving end. The innocent civilians killed in Iraq and Afghanistan has all to do with the 9-11 and the 2800 innocent people killed in WTC. So what ever is said and done, at the end of the day every one knows that what ever is going on is an act of selective revenge. Had it been done for justice, we would have been looking for prince Abdullah in the mountains of Yemen.

Mini, I'm not sure what post of mine your responding to.

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So what ever is said and done, at the end of the day every one knows that what ever is going on is an act of selective revenge.

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That's News to me Mini, and if this is your mindset there's really no reason for me to respond to it.

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U.S. didn't go into Iraq to avenge those killed in the WTC.

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Yes, US went there to "PREVENT" terrorism so that no more 3000 US civlians die, but its okay if 6000+ Iraqis died in achieving (which is a lie in first place) and not to forget thousands of Afghanis they were the "COLLATERALs".

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Did you conduct a poll ? You accuse people stereotyping Muslims and then you go ahead and stereotype "the larger Christian American community.”
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No, I did not conduct a poll. Do you even live in the USA? I live in the DFW area, and sometimes listen to 570AM (The largest talk radio in this area). This radio station professes to be the conservative (christian) radio station of DFW. Based on the callers calling in, it is evident who they blame for 9/11. Don't take my word for it, if you are ever in Dallas, listen to this station. The likes of Ankarlo, Bill O'Reilly (the FOX guy), Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, etc. and their rhetoric will prove who they blame for 9/11.

Then you have Bush and Rumsfeld calling this a crusade (yes, that is what he called it originally) and a war between good and evil. If the terrorists are Muslims, then this applies all Muslims are evil. What do you say about this?

Then you have Pat Robertson and his evangelical followers (The 700 Club and others). They claim 70 million followers in the USA. Have you ever wathced their shows and listened to their sermons. Guess who they blame for 9/11. Heck they even stress that all Muslims should be ethnically cleansed from the holy lands? What do you say about this?

I feel safe to say the average conservative Amercian blames 9/11 on Islam in general. Maybe they don't blame people directly, but they believe that Islam is an evil religion that preaches hatred and killing of others.

I would believe otherwise when Bush and Rumsfeld publicly say that and denounse Pat Robertson and his likes and the 570AM radio stations as fostering hate in America. Until then, the conservative christian is at the same extreme as the taleban types were. Thank God these people don't have an absolute majority in the USA, otherwise things would be worse, much worse.