Iran's President says that Israel will soon be wiped out / misquoted (merged)

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Re: Iran’s President says that Israel will soon be wiped out / misquoted (merged)

@Ma Mooli

Interesting take from David Duke. I dont know much about his background, but i definately agree with his points in the interview. and considering he was actually there, his view is most likely to be credible, which is alot more than i can say for the folks reporting on the issue.

garmi: Duke was a former kkk, former being the key word. Hes actually quite smart for a bigot (as you like to percieve him). he portrayed the double standards of american media quite effectively and not only that, he initiated the much needed dialogue with tehran about issues relating to iran aswell as america, something the american gov cant still seem to get the grasp of…

A few facts that need to be clarified here:

There are also bigots who insult Islam who are quite smart. Why dont u defend them as well?

@Ma Mooli

1. The conference in Tehran was not held to deny the holocaust as the media’s and reporters put it, but to find out the facts surrounding it. According to ahmadinejaad’s statements, if the evidence was to say it happened as it did, then they were willing to accept it. This aim was akin to an academic research rather than to debunk the idea, aj has never denied nor accepted the holocaust, in any of his speech for this reason.

Since most of the people attending the holocaust are racists and holocaust deniers. What conclusion do you think they will reach?

@Ma Mooli

2. The holocaust is not likely to have been taught or discussed as an essential part in schools, coll and uni’s in iran, not to the same extent atleast, hence they have a totally different outlook on it, and cannot fathom the big hoo haa westeners tend to create over mentioning the holocaust.

Actually it was taught in Iran but after the 1979 revolution, most of the mention of the Jewish suffering was removed

@Ma Mooli

i mean its akin to some one innocently mentions something, the other person misunderstands and reacts hysterical; the first person is stunned at the reaction as they dont understand why anyone would react as such and would like to get to the botom of it… but the hysterical folks wont let it and keep behaving like some traumatised pshyco..thats how alot of folks are seeing aj comments and the wests reaction on the holocaust.

you mean like muslims reacting to the Prophet Muhammed’s Cartoons?

@Ma Mooli

The positive aspect of this is that should they do objective research (which is the intended aim) they will be able to think outside the box, as opposed to those folks who are emotionally entrenched into it since childhood, it is embedded in their school history books to such an extent that any questions over it is a no-no.

Objective Research? With people like David Duke on the research panel, how cannot it be not objective?:halo:

@Ma Mooli

3. If you think about it, from what academics say, 11 million people (now dont label me as a holocaust questioner, but some estimates say 26 million) were killed by hitler. Now only (its a big only) 6 million were jews, why do we not hear about the 5 million others who were killed?

The exact number of Europeans that died in World War II is 38 Million. Of which 27 Million were russians, 6 million Jews and 4 Million Germans and rest were other europeans.

The reason we don’t hear about other people being suffering like the Jews because due to Israel and it being surrounded by countries that want to destroy it like Iran the image of the holocast keep coming back into the people’s mind. 2nd, of the 7 Million Jews in Europe in 1939, 6 Million were killed by 1945. Or 85% of the entire Jewish population of Europe was wiped out. The remaining 1 million were mostly in England and Spain and the 250,000 Jews saved by Raoul Wallenberg, a Swedish Diplomat.

No other ethnic group had that casualty rate. Whether they be gypsy, roma, gay, mentally challenged, etc…

This was the systematic murder of an entire race of people from the continent of Europe.

If another Hitler comes to power in Europe and then starts up the gas chambers and kills 85% of all Muslims in Europe. 60 years later after that event and how would muslims react when this dramatic part of their history is questioned?

@Ma Mooli

when millions of muslims, christians, gypsies, poles, serbs, africans, homos and disabled folks were also murdered, the question is, why is it solely associated with jews? now dont label me as an anti semite or whatever, but isnt there something wholly disturbing about this? whose idea was it to focus on the jews and forget the rest..? and please spare me the systamatic crap. it makes no difference what so ever.

Read Above.

@Ma Mooli

i think some folks have been seriously brainwashed or disgustingly selective in their show of sympathy here.

Yup just like some muslims who only care about the Palestinians and no one else

@Ma Mooli

4. As for the issues of freedom of speech, a nation that imprisons, demonises, tortures, spies on, and harrasses innocent people… how do you claim to be any different from the mideastern countries you criticise for their lack of freedom?

Quite simply, I can practice my faith in relative comfort and ease. Some people may get tortred, spied on and harassed but that is a drop in the bucket compared to the middle eastern countries.

If you are sure, try being a Jew in the Middle East vs being a Jew in North America and see where he has more freedom.

If the West is so anti-freedom then y are millions of muslims lining up on US Embassies to try to get a visa and immigrate here?

@Ma Mooli

5)why if freedom of speech is so valued in the west, are people being demonised and arrested for debating on the holocaust. dukes and ahmadinejaad’s speech were taken out of context and manipulated it to villiify these folks. all it really done is prove dukes point, the media is totally lame and gagged when it come to israel and the holocaust.

Its just a few countries that have laws agaisnt denying the holocaust which are France, Germany and Austria. Denying the holocaust is not a crime in USA and other countries and thats why racist groups like KKK, Aryan Brotherhood can march openly and rail against blacks, muslims and jews.

The reason why france, austria and germany have laws against the holocaust is that they were enacted in 1947 to prevent Nazis from gaining power again.

Talk about taking things out of context, you just labelled the entire West as jailing everyone who denies the holocaust where as I have just told you only 3 or 4 countries have laws against such things and those were enacted in 1947 to prevent the bloodbath that occured during World War II

David Duke is a racist and nothing more. But Muslims supporting racists and Jew Haters like David Duke is nothing new. Muslims and Arabs also supported Hitler. So I guess these muslims who support David Duke are in good company.

As for Ahmedinijad, he is the Bush of the Middle East.

As for people who defend these people all it does is proves that given a chance Jews can again be send to the death chambers and this time unfortunately they will be running by brainwashed muslims who have been taught to hate jews since they grew up.