You are the one who is perpetuating them. Tell me, how has the house of saud killed hundreds of thousands of saudis like syria? Can you answer that simple question.
As for american intervention in syria, russia can’t do jack and would probably look the other way like it did in serbia when the serbian slavs are the closet one can get to the ethnic russians. It benefits israel that hezbollah has decided to throw its hat in the ring, is bleeding somewhat but more importantly, it is damaging its rep on the arab street and alqaeda is bleeding as well and busy in syria to concentrate elsewhere. Bush went for less in syria and so did Obama in libya, but there is a reason Obama has to dither so much on syria and no, it is not the “syrian air defences”.
It is not just Iran that is the main actor. It is also Israel, America, Suadis, and Russia. So why mention Iran alone in case of Syria?
And why would you call Iranian mullahs intolerant? Even if they support Syria, it is not because of sectarian reasons but because of political reasons (Israel).
Saudi dictators, on the other hand, supported Bahraini dictators purely on the basis of sectarian hatred.
You also say that Assad is a butcher. Well, look at the other side and tell me if they are NOT butchers as well. Actually, they are worse. Assad did not inflict any kind of massacre until the time that rebels were supported by sectarian dictators from KSA and Qatar. Even then, whatever he did was for political reasons. Qaeda rebels, on the other hand, have promised massacre of people for the sake of their religion.
So tell me again why are hoping for victory of those cannibals, and rejoicing at the prospect of killing of innocent people just because of their beliefs?
When you take off sectarian goggles and start look at all those killed as humans regardless of who they are, we can talk. I support the majority dont care which sect they belong to. Dont want to derail the thread but the mullahs of Iran are no angel, remember what they did to their own people last time around when rigged election led to protest on the streets of Tehran. All the fitna in Syria is due to one mans desire to continue his illegal rule and unfortunately people are supporting him only due to his sect. Shame really. Both sides have committed excesses and it is deplorable but lets not get away from the fact that if this butcher had bowed to the will of people in the early stages when the protests were peaceful all this would not have happened. Another thing, all this chest thumping that US lost on the chemical issue is just that, guess who benefit the most by Syria losing the chemical weapons - Israel, therefore US objective achieved.
It is not just Iran that is the main actor. It is also Israel, America, Suadis, and Russia. So why mention Iran alone in case of Syria?
And why would you call Iranian mullahs intolerant? Even if they support Syria, it is not because of sectarian reasons but because of political reasons (Israel).
Saudi dictators, on the other hand, supported Bahraini dictators purely on the basis of sectarian hatred.
You also say that Assad is a butcher. Well, look at the other side and tell me if they are NOT butchers as well. Actually, they are worse. Assad did not inflict any kind of massacre until the time that rebels were supported by sectarian dictators from KSA and Qatar. Even then, whatever he did was for political reasons. Qaeda rebels, on the other hand, have promised massacre of people for the sake of their religion.
So tell me again why are hoping for victory of those cannibals, and rejoicing at the prospect of killing of innocent people just because of their beliefs?
Assad family has a history (homs in the eighties) which even an israeli general smirked that Hafez Assad killed more arabs in ten days than we did in all our wars. Lets not try to sugar coat and make Assad some poor helpless victim here. Mubarak could have butchered people as well in 2011 but he chose or was told to choose to resign.
It is not just Iran that is the main actor. It is also Israel, America, Suadis, and Russia. So why mention Iran alone in case of Syria?
And why would you call Iranian mullahs intolerant? Even if they support Syria, it is not because of sectarian reasons but because of political reasons (Israel).
Saudi dictators, on the other hand, supported Bahraini dictators purely on the basis of sectarian hatred.
You also say that Assad is a butcher. Well, look at the other side and tell me if they are NOT butchers as well. Actually, they are worse. Assad did not inflict any kind of massacre until the time that rebels were supported by sectarian dictators from KSA and Qatar. Even then, whatever he did was for political reasons. Qaeda rebels, on the other hand, have promised massacre of people for the sake of their religion.
So tell me again why are hoping for victory of those cannibals, and rejoicing at the prospect of killing of innocent people just because of their beliefs?
I think that this thread is useless as far discussing things constructively but perhaps, it is good to see who has what kind of sectarian goggles on when it comes to world events.
You are the one who is perpetuating them. Tell me, how has the house of saud killed hundreds of thousands of saudis like syria? Can you answer that simple question.
When did I say they have killed hundreds of thousands? I did not. I used YOUR example of the Syrian regime killing protesters and said the Saudis have done the same.
Im not trying to argue with you doppelganger I really am not. I'm simply trying to ascertain the events which lead to this terrible war. It will be great if you can help me with that but no bother if you don't know.
It is not just Iran that is the main actor. It is also Israel, America, Suadis, and Russia. So why mention Iran alone in case of Syria?
And why would you call Iranian mullahs intolerant? Even if they support Syria, it is not because of sectarian reasons but because of political reasons (Israel).
Saudi dictators, on the other hand, supported Bahraini dictators purely on the basis of sectarian hatred.
You also say that Assad is a butcher. Well, look at the other side and tell me if they are NOT butchers as well. Actually, they are worse. Assad did not inflict any kind of massacre until the time that rebels were supported by sectarian dictators from KSA and Qatar. Even then, whatever he did was for political reasons. Qaeda rebels, on the other hand, have promised massacre of people for the sake of their religion.
So tell me again why are hoping for victory of those cannibals, and rejoicing at the prospect of killing of innocent people just because of their beliefs?
America is taking so much interest there. Had there been no Russia, it would have already invaded Syria.
The reason is not to safeguard American interests but those of Israel. Otherwise America has no issues with Syria at all.
The US wasn't stopped by Russia, it was the British Parliament voting against British participation, the eunuchs of the Arab League not endorsing punitive action, the lack of international allies and most of all, the American + Congress being opposed to another costly war after Afghanistan and Iraq, which stopped the US from attacking. If Russia was so powerful then why couldn't it stop the bombing of Serbia or the invasion of Iraq?
Assad has played his hand deftly...I'll give him credit for that. As for Israel. as much as it wants to hurt the Iranians, it also hesitant to see a Sunni extremist/Al Qaida type government take power in Syria. Bashar Assad may act like a lion of Damascus against his own people, but he knows his limits against the Isrealis. Provoke Israel and the Assad regime is done.
It is not just Iran that is the main actor. It is also Israel, America, Suadis, and Russia. So why mention Iran alone in case of Syria?
And why would you call Iranian mullahs intolerant? Even if they support Syria, it is not because of sectarian reasons but because of political reasons (Israel).
Saudi dictators, on the other hand, supported Bahraini dictators purely on the basis of sectarian hatred.
I agree that Israel, America, Saudis, Russia are actors in Syria, however let's be clear here: Iran is not supporting Syria for political reasons pertaining to Israel nor is this a sectarian issue (Alawites are Shi'a? Really?), but rather it is Iran's aspirations for regional hegemony that is driving this support for Syria. Syrian-Iranian cooperation exists not just in bilateral matters but also serves as a conduit to Hezbollah and until the recent Arab Spring, Hamas. Iran has used Syria to drive its political hegemonic ambitions in the Middle East and the Arab world in particular. Until the Shi'a dominated government Iraq (where Iranian support is on sectarian grounds), Syria had been the sole Arab ally through the Iran-Iraq War.
All of this talk does not take away from the fact that Iran is a regional power (with or without proxies) and has more capabilities (economic, political, and defense) than all of the Arab nations in the region. There is a reason why Israel is afraid.
I really don't think it is wise to perpetuate stereotypes, be they Muslim or Sikhs but my brother you have your own moral compass to guide you. You haven't really answered my question, you cited an innocent protestor being killed but that is the same in other Arab countries so no difference there. So why aren't foreign fighters making their way to wage war against the house of Saud or the Bahrainis is it simply because they are Sunnis and not Alawite ir Shia?
It's probably because Bahrain is less strategic ... I agree that many jihadists do not consider it worth their while to support Shi'a who are being oppressed ... Because it would mean they would have to bite the hand that feeds them ... Saudi is one of the places the jihadists are funded from ... You are not going to fight your own donor for the violations they commit ...
Personally speaking I would not take funding from Saudi as it is hypocritical to stop some places from oppression and not others ... The one thing Muslims ought to be is consistent. And only when we raise ourselves to that standard again will be admired and respected.
It's probably because Bahrain is less strategic ... I agree that many jihadists do not consider it worth their while to support Shi'a who are being oppressed ... Because it would mean they would have to bite the hand that feeds them ... Saudi is one of the places the jihadists are funded from ... You are not going to fight your own donor for the violations they commit ...
Personally speaking I would not take funding from Saudi as it is hypocritical to stop some places from oppression and not others ... The one thing Muslims ought to be is consistent. And only when we raise ourselves to that standard again will be admired and respected.
So why are the Saudis funding this war is it simply because of secatarian reasons like most people here are suggesting?
The Bahraini situation is NOT relevant to the discussion about Syria. There is no moral equivalency between a country's leadership that has killed more than 100,000 people (Syria) versus a country that has seen significant protests(Bahrain). There were protests in Iran, before they were quashed.
The Assad used chemical weapons against his own civilian population -- he should tried and executed for war crimes.
The Bahraini situation is NOT relevant to the discussion about Syria. There is no moral equivalency between a country's leadership that has killed more than 100,000 people (Syria) versus a country that has seen significant protests(Bahrain). There were protests in Iran, before they were quashed.
The Assad used chemical weapons against his own civilian population -- he should tried and executed for war crimes.
If there was any evidence of that then USA would be in syria right now!
this is the same scenario as Saddam has having weapons of mass destruction
If there was any evidence of that then USA would be in syria right now!
this is the same scenario as Saddam has having weapons of mass destruction
WAKE UP!
USA will only come when they will be sure that jabhatun nasra will be near victory. Then forces opposing khilafa will be changing faces and bashar will be replaced by USA.
All this proves that only Muslims who kill each other with utter brutality!
Or
Are stupid enough to allow ourselves to be pitched at each other's necks ...
it's all about power ... Wanting it and Keeping it ...
I disassociate myself from all this ... Life must be protected ... And very soon we will be asked to go along and help protect lives ... And divulging any power gained to the apt leaders thereafter, as it should be ...
Do you support the dictatorial regime of BAshar Assad?
yes or no so that we know your obvious and biased agenda!
i don't support the puppet government of USA in any country of middle east, or Pakistan & Afghanistan or in any Muslim country.
i have no agenda unlike those who don't like Assad, Iran and Lebanon because they are a certain sect of Islam
and before you try accuse me of my "obvious and biased" agenda for your information i'm not a Muslim
let me ask you few questions now...
Did you support USA when they invaded Iraq for so called WMD?
Would you prefer USA to leave puppets almost in every country in the world?
Would you prefer The Pipeline project to run through Israel?
You still haven't told us why a member of the "resistance" was torturing people on US's behest? Yeah, sure you are not "muslim". AT least the wahabbis would agree with that vehemently! :D
