Iranian flights blocked by Turkey & Saudis

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Iran does have its own agendas in the region. That is quite obvious. One of which is to gain influence in Iraq, for obvious reasons (i.e. economic benefits incase it wasn't that obvious to some of us).

Also, Iran has some very "hard-line" and "extremist" ideologies that are on par with the Saudi's and their Wahabi radicalism. This I can agree with.

However, from my understanding of Iran (after the Iranian Revolution of '79), their goal has been not to create a sectarian divide in the country. In fact, the leader of the revolution, Ayatollah Khomeini himself said that there are only two kinds of Islams:

1) Islam-e-Muhammadi
2) Islam-e-Amerika'i

There are numerous Sunni's living in Qom, Iran, studying theology and Islamic Philosophy.

I have never heard of this policy (of not allowing Sunni's to build a place of worship)-- if it's true, then it's pretty sad and definetley not progressive for muslims and the whole basis of the revolution. For purpose of discussion however, could it not be said that (if in fact this is true) then their reasoning is more valid because they are limiting a sectarian divide within the country? Obviously I am in no position to speculate, but I am just throwing that thought out there as (more or less) devils advocate.

Lastly, I am not trying to defend Iran because I know that Iranians are some of the most racist and arrogant people, especially towards Pakistani's, but rather trying to understand all sides of the story.

Also, their policies are not nearly as harsh as Wahabi-governed countries like Saudi Arabia or Malaysia, where people are literally denied jobs and propserity because of their belief in Shi'ism.

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**We the muslims have millions of things to disagree with each others,but dont have any reason to be unite.

Saudi Arabia sends 50 million dollars to Lebanon.
Is any body know that how much they have invested in us economy?**

investment is different than charity...i thought tha was basic knowledge. heck who knows what percentage of the charity to lebanon was derived from the sources of investments that were made in USA.

**
Fraudz
Pir Sahib,
I think u have dual nationality,
Be aware,It may possible any day urs name can be pop up in the news too, like others pakistanies,**

What kind of retarded statement is this. dude if you are going to attempt to launch some sort of snide remark, atleast look for moqaa mehel. bad point marein gay..aa jatay hain kahan kahan say uth kar witty bannay ki koshish karnay :)

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You are not reading enough state controlled irani media has not reported, I would suggest that you just do a search on this forum and you will find threads that have links to studies about systematic suppression against non shiites, especially sunnis.

yeah it is not as bad as saudi Arabia, but then no one is. but it does not make them good by any stretch of imagination.

You have a ery balanced post so I would think that if you do some reading on it you may change your views.

Has anyone of you....
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the main (and very valid) concern of sunnies in Iran that i’ve read in unbiased sources is that they are not allowed to build a seperate mosque in Tehran for some very idiotic reason that I dont know. It was Khatami’s election agenda (to overturn that ruling) but he didnt get it implemented like much of his liberal programme.

there may have also been some spinoff violence at the time of the revolution along sectarian lines, but certainly at that time it was more nationalistic than sectarian.

Here is a source that we can suppose to have no reason to be biased in favour of Iran. I think it paints a sad picture, but notably not as bad as it can be in the Muslim world, and certainly a question of bad governance rather than bad policy for the most part.

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SAUDI AID vs IRANI PROPAGANDA

Saudi Arabia has one of the largest humanitarian aid budgets in the world. This assistance is delivered through a range of public and private mechanisms. While the government has always had a close relationship with Saudi charities, most have generally been free to pursue their own aid priorities.

Details: http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF…GM?OpenDocument

Hamas says gets Saudi promise on continued aid

Saudi Arabia is largely seen as the biggest financial backer of the Palestinian Authority. Saudi citizens and charitable foundations donate some $150 million each year to support social and economic projects in the Palestinian territories.

Details: http://www.reliefweb.int/rw/RWB.NSF…XY?OpenDocument

QUESTION
What those who can’t digest their dinner unless they curse Saudi Regime because of their Hatred for Salafi movement, have done for misery of Ummah?

Saudi Aid: http://www.saudinf.com/MAIN/l101.htm

Hamas says Saudi pledged $90 mln aid to Palestinians

25 April 2006

DOHA - Palestinian Foreign Minister Mahmoud Al Zahar said on Tuesday Saudi Arabia has pledged $90 million in emergency aid to the cash-strapped Palestinian Authority.

Details: http://www.khaleejtimes.com/display…st_April671.xml

ANOTHER QUESTION
Do these Wahabi haters know how much 1 million dollar is? (lol)

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Saudis giving to aid does not excuse their government & Royal Family from corruption, and backwardness.

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yes and their corruption or backwardness should not negate the goos work that they have done, whether it is aid to lebanon or to Pakistan after earthquake.

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Other Muslim governments could have supplied this aid too. All they had to do was decrease their education budget.

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Coming back to the topic after all the idiotic comments from Debater and company,

So are the planes going through a different route?

Lebanese people are really in need of humanitarian aid.

Have they tried going through Dubai or Syria?

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How can you call the Saudi regime corrupt and backward when your own regime is a beggar before the world?
Tell me how much aid your regime receives from the same Saudi government and other countries e.g Japan or USA?

You people always have your mouths open and fingers pointing at Saudis though they are 100 times better than all you Pakistanis, Turkish, Lebanese or Iranians.
At least they are just to their own citizens, they fulfil their basic needs not like you Pakis or Iranis who are oppressed by their cursed regimes.

*NOTE: No need to bring religion here! *

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No personal attacks.

I have never ever mentioned how not corrupt Pakistan is, so where do you get this silly assumption that I think Pakistan is 100 times better than other Muslim countries? or were you just stereotyping every Pakistani for what a few Pakistanis think?

*NOTE: No personal attacks! *

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If it wasn't for the corruption of the Saud family, S. Arabia would've been a major regional power. What have the Saud's done for Arabia? Your economy is based on oil, where oil exports generate over 70% of the revenues. The Sauds cannot even transform their economy. I won't compare its economy with Pakistan, because I know, without oil exports, KSA is peanuts.

So, what have the Sauds given to Arabia, in terms of education, science & technology, research & development. Well.. last I remember, Pakistani expats in KSA left KSA to come to Pakistan for studies. I remember those F-15's KSA bought. They couldn't even maintain the planes, so they hired foreigners to do the job. They didn't have enough skilled pilots to fly their high-tech aircraft (which they imported from the West), so they also imported skilled pilots from the West & Pakistan to fly their planes.

Now let us compare science & technology, and R&D of the Sauds with Pakistan's. Pakistan built nukes. Are the Saud's capable of building that? Pakistan started to become sulf-sufficient in military, building APC's, tanks, planes, spares, missiles on its own, with its own Pakistani workers. Pakistan's reliance on others decreased. What have the Saud's built on their own? Nothing! Saudi's rely on the West. They are backwards people with alot of oil money, so they don't care about self-sufficiency - they waste their money & buy stuff from around the world.

KSA bends over to Uncle Sam whenever KSA sees them. In turn, Uncle Sam provide billions of dollars of aid & military equipment to KSA's #1 enemy - Israel. KSA buys military equipment from Uncle Sam, and Uncle Sam then sells the same equipment of higher quality to KSA's #1 enemy. Uncle Sam comes to KSA again, and KSA bends over again. And the cycle continues.

That is the corruption of the Saud's.

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Guys, the topic is Saudis and Turkey blocking the flights, so stick to the topic please.

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Latest upadte is:

The Saudis are still blocking humanitarian aid.

How can they not have the smallest courtesy to atleast allow the aid to go through?

May Allah's curse be on Saudis!

Ameen sum ameen.

Jazak Allah khair,

Ajmal.

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Do you have news links to support your updates?

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I think he gets his updates from jahil-pagal-online.com

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They have to do such acts in order to stay on the good side of Uncle Sam. Uncle Sam knows very well that what Israel really intented to do was bomb civilians, and was supportive of these actions as well. So, when their plans go wrong and a bad image of them starts to form, they expect their closest allies in the region to show full support as well.

The Lebanese will be made to suffer. The aid will be delayed, just like the U.N resolution was delayed.

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People don’t have knowledge about the facts but they make haste in to take sides:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5215160.stm

Iran anger at Lebanon aid ‘block’
By Frances Harrison
BBC News, Tehran

Iran’s health ministry has been collecting supplies to send to the Lebanese people, the reports said.

But the goods had to be sent via Dubai to Syria because of objections by other countries in the region.

This may fuel Iranian anger against nations they feel have not done enough to support Hezbollah against Israel.

‘Passivity’

Iran’s Labour news agency quotes the head of the country’s emergency services as complaining that Turkish officials prevented Iran from using their air space for humanitarian aid destined for Lebanon.

The same official said three Iranian ambulances had already been despatched to Lebanon and soon another 20 would follow.

Another news agency quotes the security chief of Iran’s health ministry as saying both Turkey and Saudi Arabia had prevented Iran from using their air space for three plane-loads of medicine.

The Iranian health ministry says it sent a group of health experts to Lebanon to assess the situation but Hezbollah has told the group it has enough food and medicine to last for five months.

Iran has already complained bitterly about Arab countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the Gulf states which it says have caused divisions in the Muslim world and failed to do enough to support Hezbollah.

Daily newspaper editorials bemoan what they call the passivity of Arab leaders.

The speaker of the Iranian parliament recently called on Arab people in those countries to rise up against their governments.

COMMENTS

If you go through this report you would see the drama of shias / Iranians. They are harbouring hizbulla and they didn’t know what they needed?
Hizbulla itself said that it didn’t want food or medicines but Iranis must do the drama to send 3 ambulances?

As I already have mentioned that Saudis gave as much aid to Lebanon just after the war started which Iranis can only think of, as they didn’t have this much share in aid to Lebanon except their full scale propaganda against their Arab Enemies.

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Roger that :k: brother Cheetah

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5215160.stm

Iran anger at Lebanon aid ‘block’
By Frances Harrison
BBC News, Tehran

Iran’s health ministry has been collecting supplies to send to the Lebanese people, the reports said.

But the goods had to be sent via Dubai to Syria because of objections by other countries in the region.

This may fuel Iranian anger against nations they feel have not done enough to support Hezbollah against Israel.

“Passivity of Arabs”

Iran’s Labour news agency quotes the head of the country’s emergency services as complaining that Turkish officials prevented Iran from using their air space for humanitarian aid destined for Lebanon.

The same official said three Iranian ambulances had already been despatched to Lebanon and soon another 20 would follow.

Another news agency quotes the security chief of Iran’s health ministry as saying both Turkey and Saudi Arabia had prevented Iran from using their air space for three plane-loads of medicine.

Iran has already complained bitterly about Arab countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the Gulf states which it says have caused divisions in the Muslim world and failed to do enough to support Hezbollah.

Daily newspaper editorials bemoan what they call the passivity of Arab leaders.

The speaker of the Iranian parliament recently called on Arab people in those countries to rise up against their governments.