Iran leader: Holocaust a 'myth'

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What a complete moron.

And, I like UTDs comparison to the earthquake, just to bring home the gut reaction that Jews must have to this. Except that the Holocaust was intentional, and man made, not a natural disaster like the earthquake. And, the Holocaust was the equivavalent of killing off half of Karachi.

Does it strike anyone that this guy is just clamoring for a confrontation? The Isrealis are tough minded enough to give it to him. I would not be suprised to find that Isreal has some military capabilty that will suprise Iran. Long range precision cruise missles and Stealth fighters would certainly be high priorities. Isreal has has 20 years to prepare for this conflict.

Once they hit Osirik, the Iranian reactor was definitely next on the list. After this moron flaps his mouth, not even the EU will complain much if the Israelis do what the rest of the world does not have courage enough to do. Between this loud mouth and the Mullahs, I would not trust Iran with a big spit wad, never mind a nuke.

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Correct me if i am wrong, but isnt this a logistical nightmare for Isreal?
Osiraq was bombed in 1982 and if my history is correct, the F-16 jets flew over Jordan, Iraq and Saudi Arabian air space.
Long range cruise missiles would be somwehat ineffective as Iran just deployed advanced air defense system bought from the soviets.

I dont think in the post 9/11 world jordan, new iraqi government (shia run), Saudi Arabia (internal problems 9/11), Turkey (good relaionship with Iran over Kurdish issue) would let Israel use their air space.

Only other options is Ajeerbaijan (Iran has good relationship with them too), Caspian sea or persian gulf (submarines?) Besides arent the facilities in iran all spread like hundred miles apart. No way could the isarelis make simultaneous attacks on all facilities using element of surpise as a tactic.

Not to mention the poltical fallout. iran could seriously assrape the US in iraq and create trouble in Lebanon through Hezbollah, thus creating another front.

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see the difference? you’ll not get arrested for saying that.. there is nothing disgraceful in questioning something.

AND you’ll not get condemned for trying to research the facts, like checking out seismological records for that date/time and/or cross checking external audit records of relief agencies helping people out or interviewing survivors for veracity..

NOW is the Holocaust Industry willing to let their brainchild undergo such independent scrutiny without getting their panties in a bunch?

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Dear Dope,

The Isrealis are very smart people. Do you know the history of the Stealth fighter? Let me educate you:

The Lockheed F-117A was developed in response to an Air Force request for an aircraft capable of attacking high value targets without being detected by hostile radar systems. By the 1970s, special materials and techniques had become available to aircraft designers that would allow them to design an aircraft with radar-evading or “stealth” qualities. Streamlined management by Aeronautical Systems Center, Wright-Patterson AFB, Ohio, combined breakthrough stealth technology with concurrent development and production to rapidly field the aircraft. The first F-117A was delivered in 1982, and the last delivery was in the summer of 1990. The F-117A production decision was made in 1978 with a contract awarded to Lockheed Advanced Development Projects, the “Skunk Works,” in Burbank, Calif.** The first flight was in 1981, only 31 months after the full-scale development decision**. Lockheed-Martin delivered 59 stealth fighters to the Air Force between August 1982 and July 1990. Five additional test aircraft belong to the company.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-117.htm

The F-117 was basically made out of off the shelf parts in a new skin. If it was me, I would have taken 10 of those F-15s they have out of service, converted four to stealth tankers, and the other six into attack planes. How hard is it? Certainly the Isreali’s have enough fast computers, scientists and manufacturing capability to do it. A few leaked secrets, or samples of materials intentionally left out overnight could fill out the question marks. They could have those things flying over Damascus all of the time, and nobody would know it. This is not rocket science, the technology is over thirty years old. If they can design the Arrow interceptor, they can design a stealth plane.

They have been planning this for 20 years, do you think that they do not have every detail thought through by now? Even if they only take out part of the nuclear system, it will delay things ten years. That is a fine start. They can pay a return visit any night they want…

They also scare the crap out of the rest of the Arab world as a bonus.

(And yeah, they would have to fly over Jordan and Iraq. Do the Iraqis have any functional radars left? Would Jordan care? Would those Russian missle systems be delivered on time, and could they really detect stealth delivery vehicles? Hmmm)

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^^ I am not sure if Israel will attack Iran.

With this loud mouth on Iranian helm, Maulanas are on their way to self-destruction. It is a pity that in the land of giants like Hafiz and Saadi, we now have pipsqueaks for the presidents.

As I said earlier, Iranian leaders have no clue where the world is right now. This is precisely why Sad-Damn, Milosovic, Noriega, and other mice like Hitler ended up as dirt bags.

I fear for the Iranian people. I wish them well as a our neighbors. However with leaders like Nejad, who needs enemies.

Best regards

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Dear OG, thanks for the GOOGLE link on stealth technology. F-117A is indeed my one of my favorites.

I see your logic

Israelis are smart
Stealth technology has been around for 30 years
Israelis have stealth fighters

It is pointless to go into argument with someone who uses logic like the one you just used. Do you have any links, articles, rumors, snopes.com myth busters? I am just being a skeptic here. I wonder why they are still buying F-16s and F/A -18 from the US?

Israel bought bunker-busters from the US in 2004. Most of these facilities are buried deep within rocky mountain terrain. So, I agree with you that Israel has been preparing for a pre-emtive attack.

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And yeah, they would have to fly over Jordan and Iraq. Do the Iraqis have any functional radars left? Would Jordan care? Would those Russian missle systems be delivered on time, and could they really detect stealth delivery vehicles

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All good questions. We are really all speculating at this point. Putting aside the tactical strategies, I dont think this will bode very well for the US politically. Anyone who denies that Iran holds Iraq's jugular vein is plain ignorant.

I dont doubt that Israel will flinch for one second at flouting itnernational law and violating air spaces of Jordan and Iraq, but doing so will make Israel suject to condemnation by the world community and this will give Iran carte blanche to retaliate with immunity.

And, if I argued for the success of Russian missle system (S-300V) against stealth bombes, I would still be less stupid than the argument you made for the israelis having stealth bombers by virtue of them being smart. So, i will refrain.

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^^ Yes, the Israelis are always so public about their technology, like thier nuke program.

You have to hand it to them, they do know how to keep a secret.

And yes, it is no far leap to think that the Isrealis think very seriously about stealth technology:

A pending request for a military technology transfer of radar-evading paint from a U.S. to an Israeli manufacturer would turn an Israeli pilotless aircraft into a deadly missile that could evade “all radars the U.S. has sold” to the Middle East, according to the U.S. inventor. The quantity of the stealth aircraft coating, called Signaflux, ordered by Israel also raises questions about Israeli intentions.
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/air_missiles/delilah/Delilah.html

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Its shame on Iran that such a person has been voted to power of President.
Though I can't say much we also elected Lalu in Bihar, and Gowda actually to be PM of India....... :-(...

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what's the big effin' deal?

Any leader can go ahead and say the number of Bengalis killed in '73 were in tens of thousands not hundreds of thousands.... the world wouldn't come to a screechin' halt like it seems to now..

Historians can then sit down and prove each other wrong through facts and documented details and move to bring classified military info to public to unearth the truth.. and that'll be that.. no one would cry themself hoarse labelling everyone who dares question it an 'Anti-Bengalitic'

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:k:

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:k: Well stated.

Why are Jews so scared of people challenging their so-called facts?

We in Pakistan reject some of the inflated Bengali claims about 1971, but the Bangladeshi’s don’t refuse to meet any of our leaders. Neither have they made questioning those so-called facts a crime in their own country or insisted other countries make it so as well.

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eggg-jactly!

The moment you start making laws around your "myths" they are no longer facts.. facts don't need laws protecting them.

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The difference is, unlike Pakistan, all other countries accept the claims of the Bengalis. In case of the Jews, Muslims have a religious disposition against Jews. Denial of the Jewish maassacre, in this case, is an effort to deny the right to exist of the Jews. This is a religious, dogmatic issue. Muslims don’t like Jews and don’t want them around.

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oh i dind’t know Ernst Zundel was a Muslim and raised questions about the Holocaust because of his ‘religious disposition’ against Jews…

nor did I know David Irving was one..

but maybe you know something we don’t..

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Quite rich coming from anyone who follows a religion with blaspehemy and apostate laws to protect ‘myths’.

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This has to burn up the fundies.


Saudi envoy denigrates Iranian president’s Holocaust denial

Saudi Arabia’s new ambassador to the United States on Thursday denigrated in an interview with the Washington Post the Iranian president’s description of the Holocaust as a myth, saying the “horrific genocide” is a “historical fact” no longer in dispute.

In the interview, Prince Turki al-Faisal said “As far as Saudi Arabia is concerned, [the Holocaust is] a historical fact, you cannot deny that, and people should move forward from that.”

Turki said the Arab world has “made our peace” with the establishment of Israel. He noted that in 2002, the Arab League adopted a Saudi plan that would result in the creation of Palestine and an acceptance of Israel.

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/658450.html

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Irrelevent back-pedalling.. So, you agree that the Holocaust is a “myth?” Thanks for playing.

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To point a few ignoramuses, particularly Nazi sympathizers like Zundel and Neo-Nazis like Irving, is hardly evidence of a large scale repudiation of the holocaust. Perhaps prior to running to such personalities of high esteem, one would be served well to read their writing. I’m sure both have very high regard for Muslims and Pakistanis as well.
In the Islamic world everything is blamed on Jews. There is no shortage of clerics or government officials blaming everything on the Jewish conspiracy.

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There are compelling reasons to believe that the so-called holocaust never existed. Page 223, in The Diary of Anne Frank, (Pan Horizons edition, Pan Books Ltd., London, 1989), indicates that the size of Auschwitz, the most notorious of all German work camps, WAS VERY SMALL, with only 11,000 people (many of whom may not even have been Jews) being evacuated by the Germans at the time of the Russian advance in 1945. Certainly, compared to Spielberg’s film, *Schindler’s List *(which Emilie Schindler, Oskar’s widow, said was full of lies), and other Jewish propaganda, that millions upon millions of Jews were systematically exterminated, 11,000 people is a very small number. Simple arithmetic tells us that the Germans would have had to have had hundreds of camps, or else they would have had to exterminate 137 people PER HOUR, in order for six million Jews to have been exterminated at such small camps as Auschwitz, a feat that would have been humanly impossible considering that, according to Douglas Reed’s *Behind the Scene *and *The Controversy of Zion, *a mere 850,000 soldiers and others were killed by the entire German and Japanese war machines combined during WW2 (see p.397-400 of Douglas Reed’s book Controversy of Zion). People who would believe the Jewish propaganda that six million Jews were exterminated by Hitler must KEEP IN MIND THE SMALL SCALE CONSTRUCTION OF AUSCHWITZ AND THE VERY FEW OTHER GERMAN WORK CAMPS THAT EXISTED DURING WW2.

On July 13, 1994, a documentary on the life of Charles A. Lindbergh broadcast on the Public Broadcast System (PBS - KENW-TV) said that when Lindbergh visited one of these few camps in Germany following WW2, he was told that 25,000 died in 1-1/2 years. Again, simple arithmetic tells us that 25,000 times a half dozen camps does not equal 6,000,000. In fact, it doesn't even equal 600,000. . . .
 
It is an interesting fact that the number of so-called persecuted Jews KEEPS INCREASING. Hal Greenwald, program director for the Hillel Foundation at Duke University, a Jewish student group, has been promoting the idea that NINE MILLION JEWS WERE EXTERMINATED IN HITLER'S GAS CHAMBERS (New York Times, Nov. 9, 1991, AP). NOW IT'S 9 MILLION AND GROWING. ..JUST LIKE OUR DEBT/TAX MONEY SUPPLY...THE NUMBERS JUST KEEP COMING OUT OF THIN AIR. . .([The         Bible Caused Economic and Financial Slavery in the New World         Order](http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-9905/msg00088.html) by Lee Cheney).

[http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm](http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm)

BETWEEN 1988 AND 2000, according to JEW sources, THE WORLDWIDE SUPPLY OF JEWS PLUNGED FROM 18.1 TO 13.2. FINALLY, JEWS HAVE PROOF OF A HOLOCAUST! But there was no war. The Nazis are long gone. In the midst of peacetime, the jews LOST 4.9 million people, and still haven’t been able to locate them. Could it be that they need a war in Iraq to increase the jew population back to 18 million? On top of that, the 2000 figure for jews in the world included 6.7 million in the US when in fact there may have been only 5.2 million. The jews in the US, with all the modern techniques for counting populations and handling membership lists, a first class mail delivery system, no war or insurrection or gas ovens or mass graves, were unable to pin down their population to within 1.5 million jews–an error of 29%!

http://christianparty.net/holocaust.htm

Something I came across…The numbers speak for themselves…

The real term for the holocaust is **Holohoax**...

Google this term...Some interesting facts will out...

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Great source there Lajawab, The Bible Caused Economic and Financial Slavery in the New World Order, I’m sure it’s facts and figures are gold and it’s on the internet so it must be true. Great research, bravo.