Iran - 30th anniversary of revolution - 30 years of economic decline

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Wow. The rule by Ayatullahs is already 30 years old. The experience clearly shows that religion and government should never mix. The result is always devastating for the economy in the 20 or 21st centuries.

There are bad apples in secular economies too. However the religious governments are not compatible with the current times.

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Iranians mark Islamic revolution
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Iran has begun 10 days of celebrations to mark the 30th anniversary of the Islamic revolution that overthrew the US-backed former ruler, the Shah.

Speaking in the capital, Tehran, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the revolution was “lively and alive”.

Most Iranians are still proud of the independence from foreign domination they won in 1979, the BBC’s Jon Leyne in Tehran says.

But he says many in Iran would like more democracy and personal freedoms.

‘Mundane issues’

“We are still at the beginning of the path and greater changes are ahead,” President Ahmadinejad was quoted by AFP news agency as saying, at a ceremony at the mausoleum of Ayatollah Khomeini - the father of the revolution.

“Although the Islamic revolution happened in Iran it is not limited to Iranian borders,” the president was quoted as saying.

Ayatollah Khomeini returned to Iran from exile in Paris on 1 February 1979. It took only 10 days before the Shah’s regime collapsed.

Despite the almost ritualistic chants of “Death to America!” and “Death to Israel!”, on Saturday there was no longer the fervour of those early days of the revolution, our correspondent says.

Nowadays, Iranian governments get judged on much more mundane issues like the state of the economy or the ever worsening Tehran traffic, he says.

He adds that Iranians are also receptive to US President Barack Obama’s invitation to heal relations with Washington.

Story from BBC NEWS:
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iranians mark Islamic revolution

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congratulations, iran.

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i am not a 12er and i disagree sharply with many of their views but the revolution is the best thingthat happened to the middleeast in the last 50yrs
God be pleased with Khomeni
long live the revolution

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The experience clearly shows that religion and government should never mix.

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that is shirk , that u want to rule by other laws ....not divine laws
that goes against the spirit of islam and khilafah

[note]** No personal attacks!**[/note]

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Please prove the economic decline you speak off.

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Aaaah the proverbial "proof". Pick up any source UN, ADB etc. and you can find info on the following:

Since the revolution the following things have never gone through an upswing.

Inflation, unemployment, deterioration of the infrastructure (Oil and gas infrastructure in particular).

Note to the knee-jerkers from the groups like 12er, 6er, 4ers etc.

Calm down.

Questioning Iranian leadership and their policies is perfectly OK. It is not an attack on Islam, if someone points to the failure of Iranian government.

Divine rule by Mullahs is not equivalent to the "rule by Allah". Mullahs too make mistakes and they must own up to them.

That's all

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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iran launches homegrown satellite

Yup economic downturn everywhere.

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Could you put down figures side by side from credible sources starting from 30 years ago and today... Bet ya this mullahcracy has fared better then many democracies.

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Yea same I guess, though I don't agree with them on policies. Thirty years of constant stability is no joke. Being able to survive, rebuild and stay stable after a decade of war is something indeed.

kudos to the persian folk. They are doing good for themselves.

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Iran is still economically stable and sustainable even with all the sanctions and boycotts. The country is not one of those american-run-oil-rich-not-bothered-gutless gulf states.

Ay taer-e-lahoti us rizq say maut achi.....
jis rizq say ati ho perwaz main kotahi

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This is not a badge of honor to SURVIVE sanctions.
The real aqalmandi is to AVOID sanctions by not indulging in the undesirable activities.

Sanctions are nothing but a speeding ticket for a driver who IGNORED the law. The more tickets you get, the worst your record be, and more fines and higher insurance will be your future.

Surely you will survive, but why to violate the law to begin with?

Similarly in the global village every government has to obey the global laws. If they violate them, they pay it some way or the other.

Oh BTW, one criminal cannot say that I committed a crime because another person was committing a crime too. That's never a good excuse in front of the judge.

moreover Iran could have spend its hard earned petro-dollars on the reducing high inflation, jobless among the youth etc. Instead a major portion of that money goes to waste due to the sanctions.

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i wonder what iranians would think of zionist pakistanis like burqaposhx calling their nation a failure, while their own country is at civil war with no end in sight.

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Is it illegal to defend oneself?

If there is a ‘global law’ that says that USA and Israel can have nuclear arms but Iran cannot, I have doubts over that legal system!

Please provide figures to prove that Iran’s economy is so bad.

Look at:

PRC, India Lagging in Economic Well Being, Living Standards - Study

These are slightly older (2007) figures but the only ones I found comparing asian economies in terms of macro (GDP per capita) and micro (Price level index) indeces.

GDP per capita in Iran is 5 times as much as India and one of the lowest price level index (inflation).

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Thanks for the link bro!

I can take Pakistan’s economy and compare it to Afghanistan to prove a point that Pakistan is doing much much better.

The issue here is much simpler than that.

Given a choice between Mullah rule, vs. secular rule, Iran with its God-given resources will do much better under secular rule.

I hope you understand this finer aspect.

Yes there is a global law that controls your watch (every minute, every second), there is global law that controls your mobile phone, your electricity (when there is no loadshedding), the design of your car, your medication, your food, your clothes, your TV, your banks, and the list goes on.

Most of these laws come from US or Europe and the rest of the world must follow them, otherwise their cell phone won’t work, their food system will collapse, they will not have medicine and health care etc. etc.

Similarly the technology access is strictly controlled and monitored by the West. And that’s where nuclear laws come in. Surely there are very very few exceptions to such rules. Apart from 2 to 3 such exceptions, the nuclear laws are equally applied to the rest of the world.

Let’s take the example of nuclear weapons. Do you know that West ordered countries like Kazkhstan, South Africa, Ukraine, and Libya to give up their nukes. And they complied.

They were smart, they followed the rules set up by the West and that’s why they are not under sanctions. Iraq didn’t comply and look what happened to it.

So mery jaan, this is not the thread for supporting Iran’s nukes, instead it is an effort to show where Iranians went wrong in the 30 years.

And anyone who follows Iranians will also be in trouble.

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^ You might have heard of something called 'pride' which is at times treasured much more than 'wealth' by some people.

If you do not care much for this emotion, it is a personal choice. Superpowers come and go. Greeks, Romans, Persians, Mongols. People who had pride in their freedom and homeland fought and sacrificed against these expanding global powers.

And by the way, I agree that this is not a rational behavior and doesn't make financial sense. But then, I wouldn't be much rational if a person is threatening to kill my mother.

P.S. you said pick up any source and find out about the 'near death' Iranian economy. I did. Didn't find what you said.

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Burqa:

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The result is always devastating for the economy in the 20 or 21st centuries.
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The results are marvelous for a country which has remained under all kinds of sanctions since 1979.
The Zionists are so much after this only independent Islamic country that they could not even accept its satellite launch, which is the right of every nation.

ek SAUTEE du'aa [with AUDIO]!
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There is a difference between pride as in takabbar, and a genuine pride in being at the cutting edge of knowledge.

False pride makes you arrogant, emotional, and a negative contributor in this world.
Genuine pride makes you strong, progressive and forward looking.

So keep the false pride at the cost of your own destruction.

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Photoshopped.

What does the holiday season look like in your town?
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"Destruction" is again a personal opinion. Please show me 30 years of economic decline in Iran or stop talking.

Look how the world remembers those who sided with the British during the colonial rule in India and got financially rewarded and those who fought and sacrificed.

BTW, with your logic, you would be willing to accept a financial reward if you agree not to resist someone threatening to kill your mother.

As I said, it is your personal opinion. Some people do actually have pride in their nation and freedom.

Timepass - November 2012
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Still waiting for economic data to back up your bull****

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Those stupid Iranians. Can't they not see the "benefits" of following the global law?

All they need to do is see the bale bale bhangra of their Pakistani neighbors next door. Pakistanis are receiving the wonderful "gifts" of American drones which are killing women and children. How can the Iranians be so stupid and not want dead women and children like Pakistanis do?

Pakistan follows the global law. We are doing great. Pakistanis are doing musti and nachna because of American drones killing pregnant women and children. Why don't Iranians want this wonder for their own nation? They are so stupid.

Yes, the Iranians really went wrong here for 30 long years. For 30 years, they have not recieved the wonderful gifts of US occupation, humiliation and subjugation.