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No one knows what our mustaqbil holds
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I couldnt get what you mean by that statement. Islam as a religion actually changes your personality and character. Unfortunately we have very very few people who are actually the followers of Islam. Those are that who have embraced Islam inside out and practically too. Being a muslim doesnt only mean wearing a beard and offering a prayer five times. It itself is elaborated in the Quran. Islam is about fearing Allah in crowd and Loneliness. Its about taking care of your parents, kith and kin, poor, needy, neighbours, orphans, slaves. Its about not usurping the rights of others and preach the same (word of Allah) that is. And this all is obviously not done if you only adhere to a beard and a prayer. You gotta be practical. And it demands killing of your own false ego and desires. I mean, who would really want the same for his brother (Islamic one, not a sibling only) the same as would want for himself. Because we cant do it, we practice Islam in broken images, and this is what is confusing ourselves and the rest of the world.
A true muslim is the one who tries to follow our last and beloved prophet Mohammad Sal Allah O Aleh Wassalam in the entirety. Atleast tries. Taliban are nowhere doing that. Physical enforcement, policy of revenge and shutting out the doors of kindness, interaction and generosity to the outer world is NOT what Islam is about. Islam does not teach or command barbarianism and ignorance the Taliban perpetuate. If what they are practicing is Islam as they call it, its the Islam of their own. Talibanic Islam maybe? But they or their acts definitely DOES NOT represent a common man’s or our beloved prophet Mohammad Sal Allah O Aleh Wassalam’s Islam.
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I understand that and agree with what you say. I was talking about how in the serial when they get more religious they face some discrimination from family and friends but they are still the same people. Actually they become more patient and don’t let it affect them. Wearing hijab or having beard doesn’t change the type of personality they have to their family. In the beginning their family treats them differently but then they understand. If you watch the serial they are religious in their deeds and actions as well. Like you say it’s not about having beard or hijab as people can follow teachings and be religious without that.
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jo hona hai wohi hoga right but we can also change our mustaqbil for tomorrow by our actions today.
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What are people’s views on the “faceless” dolls launched in the UK as part of the latest Islamic range of toys? Faceless ?Sharia-compliant? doll launched in UK ? RT UK
Interestingly they are only for female dolls that i know of. Do you think it would be popular? Is there something similar in the US or Pakistan? Is iit different to dolls wearing short clothes? I think Amish also have faceless dolls.
Faceless ‘Deeni Doll’ for Muslim girls launched in Britain | Metro News
Faceless ‘Deeni Doll’ for Muslim girls launched in Britain
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The Deeni Doll has been created in accordance with Islamic Law (Picture: Community Digital News)A new faceless doll, produced in accordance with Islamic law, has been launched in Britain.
The ‘Deeni Doll’, which is adorned with a traditional hijab headdress, has no nose, mouth, or eyes, in order to comply with Islamic rulings regarding the depictions of facial features.
The toy, which took four years to create, is the brainchild of Ridhwana B, a former teacher at a Muslim school.
She told the Lancashire Telegraph: ‘I came up with the idea from scratch after speaking to some parents who were a little concerned about dolls with facial features.’
She continued: ‘Some parents won’t leave the doll with their children at night because you are not allowed to have any eyes in the room.’
‘There is an Islamic ruling which forbids the depiction of facial features of any kind and that includes pictures, sculptures and, in this case, dolls.’— Hussain Master (@hussain_master)October 20, 2013
Although the doll, which retails at £25, is currently limited to the ‘Romeisa’ design – named after a companion of the Prophet Muhammad – Ridhwana hopes to extend the range.
‘The Islamic range in kid’s toys is quite limited at the moment with few choices. Although this project took a while, I am looking at researching other ideas in the future.’
‘I am looking at compiling a book for the Islamic upbringing of children in the future too.’
‘We have produced a limited amount at the moment but already I have had parents take up the order.’
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Peace shaasavera
I’m confused … Why is it considered intolerant when a person refuses to condemn another … Surely that is the definition of tolerant - A person who tolerates all is the one who does not condemn any …
And when I was saying something similar - that don’t go to kill the women and children of Taliban I was called a sympathiser, but when spoken by the community and kids themselves they are called tolerant?
Although I want to make it clear I do condemn the Taliban for their acts of unjust killing … I am tolerant but not that much that I don’t speak out against injustices … and that means from all sides … But I find your thinking process interesting but very confusing …
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We need to distinguish between hate propaganda disguised as criticism, and genuine criticism voiced out of concern. I, for example, am at times very vocal in my criticism of the muslim world and religion in general, both online and offline, but I only voice said criticism out of concern, because I want the muslim world to progress.
I don’t mourn the victories of the muslim world, I celebrate them. But when I see something I feel is not right, I criticize it, in hope of bringing improvement to said situation. Obviously like everyone else, I’m prone to being wrong. My point is, we should not brush off genuine criticism so easily.
As for muslims being more intolerant than others. Over the years, I’ve experienced that people in general can be intolerant, but certain type of religious people are more prone to being intolerant than others. Perhaps they are giving their religious belief validity, in their own mind, in this manner? I’m thinking of those who believe that only their religion is the path to salvation, and everyone else will burn in hell for all eternity.
I think we can all agree that such mindset does not exactly promote tolerance.
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^ frankly. I am really put off reading the terms like Islamic terrorism and Islamic Intolerance. People have so conveniently forgotten the more horrific tragedies that have occured on the face of earth. I wish I were that good at History to give the exact references, which unfortunately I am not. Remember when humans were made fight tear each other for the pleasure of the kings in the Greece/Rome (those gladiator thingies) And then after the advent of Christianity how thousands were burnt alive in the name of witchcraft and blasphemy and etc. And then Nazism, and countless acts of communal terrorism and atrocities committed against Muslims in the sub continent. Are the Pakistani people really that bad to their minorities as Hindus and Sikhs were to them in the sub continent? How about the racism the Negros had to suffer from long in America? Funny that even recent past brutal killing of children in Gaza has been so conveniently forgotten. Would all that also be blamed on Islamic Terrorism and Islamic Intolerance?
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^ good points
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I think , there are religious extremists within every society/religion. They belong to different religions but tend to share the same traits and ideology of intolerance… But the problem is, Only Muslims are Portrayed as Intolerant monsters by the Powerful and Popular Western Media . Obviously, there is deep hypocrisy at work here.. Bcz incorrect portrayal of Muslims in media, this has become a popular stance, even among Muslims, that Only Muslims are intolerant. I guess, there has been a rise of Intolerance in every Religion in last few decades.
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Peace Psyah
Let me explain. From what I read the guy refused to condemn the action of the Taliban who killed the children in Peshawar. Unlike you who is condemning them for killing. That is the difference. He is not allowing activists to offer prayers for the victims inside the Masjid. That is how it all started when they started as offering prayers outside the mosque and desired to go inside. He just dismissed it as mere reaction to what the military did. He is equating action by military which has intent of targeting militants and warning civilians to leave area and justifying it as the reason for the attack on innocent children at the school. I look at the heroic images of teachers sacrificing their lives for their students and getting burnt alive or having bodies completely obliterated in the explosions and i can’t help but feel anger like any normal human being. If the citizens don’t want these people misrepresenting them and giving false perception of themselves they have right to speak out. I look at ladies like Saima Tariq, one of the teachers who was burnt alive protecting her students who she treated like her children. I can only imagine how they would condemn other things about her in this picture rather than the love and care with which she taught her children and sacrificed her life. 
After a lot of persuasion and threats of arrest he finally condemned it but not after filing an FIR against protesters for their actions outside the mosque. Only after this does his official security get taken away. Official security for Lal Masjid cleric withdrawn - Pakistan - DAWN.COM He is not royalty so why should he have security paid by government when the common citizen does not? There was this whole movement against VIP culture in Pakistan which inspired others and so why aren’t they included in this VIP movement? He also threatens of protests and worse if he is arrested or if anything happens to him. The activist who started this was given a threatening phone call if he spoke out against the cleric. If the cleric is blemish free then why doesn’t he fight his case in court instead of getting his minions to send threatening phone calls? Instead of admitting his mistake after finally condemning the action he is now threatening of dire consequences if anything happens to him. Very peaceful. And anyway why can’t other people come to mosque and offer prayers for those killed in Peshawar. When is any religious place off limits to followers especially a government funded one? These teachers are part of the war according to him? 
I don’t agree with the no revenge part. If we don’t convict the people who propagate these views without care then people will assume these views are valid and views such as these on fb will spread. 
Actually found and reported by my Pakistani friend. It shouldn’t even be a debate that what happened is condemnable. No attempt should be made to dilute what happened. Children at a school should not be part of anyone’s war. Just because it is a military school doesn’t mean it is part of a war. If tolerance towards anything is accepted even towards intolerance like this then how can these mindsets change.
I mean if it is spoken by the kids themselves that are affected it shows greater tolerance. That the kids of the school themselves who lost family and were scarred can say they don’t want revenge or want to teach the children of their perpetrators is showing they are not the same.
For me if the ideology is hateful it is worth condemning whether it is Taliban,neo- Nazis, KKK, the various bajrag dals/rss in India, Maoists doing bomb blasts in India, EDL, JeI, JuD etc
Maybe there are some good people who for some strange reasons believe they can benefit society by being part of these groups but it still doesn’t change the divisive agenda of the above. Maybe there is a spectrum of beliefs representing the above but it doesn’t change their us vs them ideology. If someone from Taliban wants to reform I would support that if it was genuine and if they were not guilty of heinous crime. If they are convicted of crime or of propagating views which spread hate or guilty of murder they should get punishment.
I don’t think anyone supports killing the children of Taliban. They are not Taliban who believe in killing people who do not agree with them. People of the community and also the world also have petition against hanging of a 14 yr old who had his confession obtained through duress. Few here would agree that he should be hanged and his date for hanging is today 23rd Dec. I think Asma Jahangir also spoke about being careful of indiscriminate hangings. https://reprieve.bsd.net/page/speako…hafqat-hussain You shouldn’t be called a sympathiser if you think the children of Taliban, who are innocent bystanders, should be saved. It’s not like you are equating the military action with the Taliban. If the children are 16-17 and convicted of attacks then it is a trickier situation. As for women, if they are adults and convicted of crimes, then why should they be treated differently to the men who are convicted? How is that fair? There are women who are part of ISIS and equally commit crimes.
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Maybe i am not as patient or as big hearted as the person who wrote the sign but when i read about people like Saima Tariq, a beloved teacher and innocent, getting killed for saving her students I feel like the people/groups who dilute this should not be let off.
I can’t read this Urdu tribute to Saima Tariq but maybe you can. ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ???](http://blog.jang.com.pk/blog_details.asp?id=10466)
How can anyone not shed a tear after reading this?
People said these comments of her: **My teacher gave this to me before she shifted from APS Mardan to APS Peshawar
She told me once, “Every person faces seven enemies in his lifetime, envy, hunger, sickness, greed, old age, betrayal and death.”
She faced death as if it were her closest friend.
'm sorry about the loss
She was one teacher you could share anything with
She taught us like a mother, a sister and a friend**
How can anyone, let alone a cleric, even compare her sacrifice to military initiative which warns and aims to avoids civilians to target militants compared to one that targets civilians? Then it takes a protest, fear of an FIR against him to finally condemn what happened in Peshawar. In an army school it is not just family of army that attends it is also civilians who want a different standard of education. Even if it is an army school it does not make them targets. How would he feel if his child was at that school?
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It’s not about comparing one act of terror with another. Or what happened in past. Everyone who is a decent human being, which is a majority in all populations, knows terrorism has no religion. Even people who are neither Pakistanis or Muslims think that. Here is a picture to show you that. 
There were many articles in newspapers even in West which show that this is nothing to do with religion and also there was the #I](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=I) 'llridewithyou twitter tag. They also look at discrimination Muslims face.
What is it like to be a Muslim in Britain today? | World news | The Guardian
The Muslims Are Coming!: Islamophobia, Extremism, and the Domestic War on Terror
Western media also shows positive representations of Muslim people in their community like the top 10 role models of the community.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/these-9-famous-americans-are-all-muslim-2014-10
Yes, they criticise our societies, but doesn’t our media also criticise their lifestyles.
The brutal killing in Gaza has not been forgotten but Peshawar is in current news. I also want to ask why is it that this news is not getting as much attention in Arabic and middle eastern media. Is not the death of 150 Pakistani children equal to the murders of killing children in Gaza? It seems all media has biases.
So you shouldn’t feel people think there is something called “Islamic terrorism.” If they write something in a newspaper they are targeting the extremists who do not represent the religion. Last week a Maoist group set off a bomb in India and killed 2 civilians. They didn’t even belong to a religion. It was big news in India but not elsewhere in West I guess after what happened in Peshawar and before that Sydney. They are more concerned with what happens in the West. People also know there are religious people who are good role models for the world like Malala and now recently Jibran Nasir.
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I respect and understand your sentiments Princejall. I agree extremists exist within every society/religion. What I don’t understand why people in Pakistan and India think the Western media is ALL evil just because it report on issues in our cultures- whether it be rapes, extremism, laws in the country. We have freedom to report on problems in Western cultures. I agree some Western media is sensationalist and creates problems but not all.
Also there is view spread by local media that Western media only reports negative about Muslims which is not true. The Indian media also likes to exaggerate racist attacks against Indians in Australia. There is actually lot of positive coverage which is not covered. Lot of media covered the #i](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=i) 'llridewithyou campaign which spoke out about any potential backlash from Sydney incident.
Martin Place siege:#i](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=i) llridewithyou hashtag goes viral
Lot of western media has articles on discrimination. Yes, there may be some racist media in the West like all countries but it is not the mainstream media. Probably more articles in West on discrimination than in UAE on discrimination towards Pakistani and Indian workers of lower economic status. Or against Family day in Qatar in shopping centres which allows single white people but not single desi males to enter. Seen in this video uncovered by a white person. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VluY5SWfjSI Or laws which discriminate against Pakistani women marrying Saudi men?
Muslim women face an uphill battle against prejudice to find work | Myriam Francois-Cerrah | Comment is free | The Guardian
France’s burqa ban: women are ‘effectively under house arrest’ | World news | The Guardian
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/24/business/24muslim.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
They also show positive representations of Muslims.
The Muslim women who are excelling at top-level sport | Life and style | The Guardian
9 Famous Americans You Probably Didn’t Know Were Muslim | Business Insider
They also show other groups of people being intolerant not just racist people in their countries (see above) but also around world who are not Muslims including Buddhists and Hindus. Here are some non muslim intolerant monsters in western media.
Indian Maoists kill 16 in attack on police
Sri Lankan Muslims fearful after Buddhist mob violence - CNN.com
India must face up to Hindu terrorism | Kapil Komireddi | Comment is free | The Guardian Actually written by an Indian. There is nothing wrong with criticising our societies for better.
Lot of people living in subcontinent have misconceptions on what West thinks of them when really people in West are quite friendly and the common westerner does not even generalise. They speak out against intolerance to Muslims as well as can be seen by these social experiments. I’d like to see this happen in subcontinent and see how the average person responds. Do they stand up against the crowd or are they silent?
‘Muslim hate’ social experiment shows Australians taking stand against Islamophobia - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)]('Muslim hate' social experiment shows Australians taking stand against Islamophobia - ABC News)
Watch: Canadians stand up to an ‘anti-Muslim bigot’ - The Washington Post
Ordinary Americans speaking out against Islamophobia social experiment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3di8Vw15XY
Let’s think about it if Western media was so bad and people so racist as our media says then people like Junaid Jamshed wouldn’t escape to London. Amir Khan, the famous boxer, wouldn’t do interviews and would avoid media.
Why don’t we also criticise Saudi Arabian/Middle eastern media like this Arab Christian name sounding writer has for giving hardly any exposure to Peshawar tragedy compared to events like Gaza, or 911. It was covered all over western media, number of candlelight vigils were held in cities throughout West and covered in media.
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but lets face it, Muslims are actually more intolerant than people of other religion. In my life I have come across a large number of muslims who are intolerant of my belief or belief of people of other religions like hindus, protestants and none of the christians/catholics/atheist so far gives a crap about what I practice or do. They just chalk every thing I tell them to ‘exotic’ or ‘kool’ or ‘creepy’
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^ I am intolerant of the length of the second sentence.
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I have seen Muslims intolerant as much as Hindus and others. So I will not say Muslims are particularly intolerant.
I am also intolerant.
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In some muslim countries apostasy is capital offense. In other muslim countries millions upon millions (majority) believe that apostasy should be capital offense.
Does this promote intolerance?
In most muslim countries, muslims can freely, and are encouraged to, give dawah to non-muslims. Non-muslims are not allowed to persuade muslims to join their religion, either by law or by fear of violent reaction by the muslim majority.
Does this promote intolerance?
If muslims in muslim nations are so sure of the validity of Islam, then what are they afraid of?
Final question, does freedom of religion promote tolerance?
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Religious (or otherwise) intolerance and downright hatred, exists to quite an extent in India. Sadly many Indians are in denial of this. Obviously intolerance and hatred towards minorities does not just pertain to muslims or muslim nations. That goes without saying.
But if I can criticize American warmongering, then I can also criticize intolerance in the muslim world, without being told that I hate or even dislike either one of them.
Injustice must always be challenged and condemned, no matter who the culprit is.
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I think you guys will like this.
Pakistani Christian Community Prayed for APS victimas - Video Dailymotion
Christian community shows solidarity with Peshawar victims - Video Dailymotion