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Nope Ijaz ul Haq said I cant do anything so you guys are free to do, and close down the whore-house. Aunites Shaheem had the protection of Shaikh Rasheed and others. Even police told them we cant do any action against her as her customers include very senior officials.
Then they should 've taken their case to court and not take up arms, they could've taken Ijazul Haq moron down with them too but no they became the ruler of the land.
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Simple fact that the the person who called wanted it to keep secret and hidden from army that was around the Lal Masjid. He was told this way he wont be caught since they are not searching women that come out of the Masjid. Simple as that. Now many people have accepted that this has happened. There is no way he was running.
No, if the person who called and advised moulana to come out in burqa must have done to suggest that he can flee in disguise, Moulana didn't do it to just come out and surrender.
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I think u also forgot to mention he is teh same person who insisted few months back on TV program that there are 40 separas in Quran!! such a learned fouji we have as education minister..
I didn't forget, and he hadn't insisted on 40. He may have erred or he may be simply ignorant about it. But what diff does that make? Do you mean to state that only religious or religiously well aware people can be good, smart, intelligent, successful, learned etc? Well look at the world around...unfortunately or fortunately it isn't so...
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pint was that these clwns talk a lot about law and haq and batil, but have excuses for all their actions, taking over a library, taking cops as hostages, etc etc. .
There were other set of clowns sitting there who were unable to justify their extreme actions. At least the girls presented a reason for the library take over and taking cops hostage.
with tears at teh drop of a hat and overly charged statements were just too much...khoon ki mehndi, khoon ka bouquet. They need to stop reading jihadi rags.
You are again stuck with words. They were young girls (at least one of them) from middle or poor class families. Dont expect them to speak english with Oxford accent. Someones odd choice of words (from your perspective) should not be taken as a proof that they are wrong.
If they chose different words than "Khoon ki Mehndi" would you then be OK with their point of views?
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There were other set of clowns sitting there who were unable to justify their extreme actions. At least the girls presented a reason for the library take over and taking cops hostage.
they presented a wrong reason without any remorse....yes.
There was no extreme action, the people in the compound had all the opportunity anyone could ask for to get out, if they wanted to (unless they wer ebeing held hostages) which they say they were not. so they chose to stay, and the ppl comign in to apprehend the ghazis were attacked, what did you expect forces to do..pass cotton candy and batashay?
Someones odd choice of words (from your perspective) should not be taken as a proof that they are wrong.
its not an odd choice of words, its a sensationalist approach. I was thinking they msy just burst into a noha any time.
If they chose different words than "Khoon ki Mehndi" would you then be OK with their point of views?
nope, they showed no remorse for breaking the law, they presented contradictory statements, I dont think they are right. Cut through the emotionally charged BS and you will see they had nothing to say.
no weapons, no one attacked,
yeah...I believe them
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tariqlkhan, why do you like to believe obvious liars like those two burqa women?
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These two Ninja girls are so brainwashed they they swore on the name of Allah that there were no weapons in the compound.
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tariqlkhan, why do you like to believe obvious liars like those two burqa women?
What was so obvious about them which made you think that they are lying (unless you think that every Burqa clad woman is a liar)
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What was the official number of dead bodies in this encounter? What did these girls say..1500 bodies? They were picking up the bodies and their hands were in blood and all. Did they forget that they left the mosque before the operation started. I don't see any credibility in what they are saying.
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Did they forget that they left the mosque before the operation started.
Huh? How did you come up with that conclusion? Operation started on 3rd of July, these girls left on 6th.
What was the official number of dead bodies in this encounter?.What did these girls say..1500 bodies?
O, you are the "OFFICIAL NUMBER" kind of guy. I apologize, now even Jibraeel canot make you believe otherwise cause you go by "OFFICIAL NUMBER". My bad.
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What was the official number of dead bodies in this encounter? What did these girls say..1500 bodies? They were picking up the bodies and their hands were in blood and all. Did they forget that they left the mosque before the operation started. I don't see any credibility in what they are saying.
There were no arms (aslaha) at all, they said that the soldiers got killed by God/angels without a bullet being fired from inside mosque.
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If Jibraeel had made it official then there wouldn't have been as much chaos in the world - just a thought. :-)
Here is a refresher of the timeline.
3 July: Clashes erupt at mosque, 16 killed, after long student campaign for Islamic Sharia law
4 July: About 700 students leave mosque, now besieged by security forces; mosque leader caught trying to flee wearing woman's burka
Thank you
5 July: More than 1,000 students surrender to security forces
Thnak you again
*6 July: *Women are allowed to leave the mosque; students' deputy leader says he would rather die than surrender **
shabash. Now were did they see 1500 bodies and a river of blood?
8 July: Ministers say wanted militants are holding women and children inside the mosque
9 July: Negotiators talk to mosque leader via loudspeaker without progress; three Chinese workers are killed in Peshawar over siege
10 July: Pakistani troops storm mosque after failure of talks; army says Ghazi killed
11 July: Pakistani army says all militants cleared from mosque
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Fayz
I am impressed by your attention to detail.
very well done.
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If Jibraeel had made it official then there wouldn't have been as much chaos in the world - just a thought. :-)
Here is a refresher of the timeline. 3 July: Clashes erupt at mosque, 16 killed, after long student campaign for Islamic Sharia law
4 July: About 700 students leave mosque, now besieged by security forces; mosque leader caught trying to flee wearing woman's burka Thank you
5 July: More than 1,000 students surrender to security forces Thnak you again
*6 July: *Women are allowed to leave the mosque; students' deputy leader says he would rather die than surrender ** shabash. Now were did they see 1500 bodies and a river of blood?
8 July: Ministers say wanted militants are holding women and children inside the mosque
9 July: Negotiators talk to mosque leader via loudspeaker without progress; three Chinese workers are killed in Peshawar over siege
10 July: Pakistani troops storm mosque after failure of talks; army says Ghazi killed
11 July: Pakistani army says all militants cleared from mosque
Bhai Fayz, you are singing the same official anthem. July 3rd, yes it errupted, after that 4, 5 6 and specially 8th of July is nothing but Hukoomat ka raag. I am not disregarding it completely as I dont have proof, same way I do not disregard Lal masjid claim cause I do not have proof.
You on the other hand seem to keep one sided point of view according to which everyone but Lal masjid is telling the truth.
And for July 9th, it was a cheap trick to add a non-related issue of Peshawar Killing to Lal Masjid event. Achchay buchchay aisa nahin kartay:)
Fayz
I am impressed by your attention to detail. very well done.
Oh Pir Sahib, if you are impressed then it must be the eternal, universal, carving on the stone type of truth.
Khudaya, Pir Sahib is impressed. I lost the battle
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Bhai Fayz, you are singing the same official anthem. July 3rd, yes it errupted, after that 4, 5 6 and specially 8th of July is nothing but Hukoomat ka raag. I am not disregarding it completely as I dont have proof, same way I do not disregard Lal masjid claim cause I do not have proof.
May be you can search the news articles when 'bombing' actually started as they claimed, the saga was covered by media (atleast from outside where military was standing) so government has very less margin of error in that regards.
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Oh Pir Sahib, if you are impressed then it must be the eternal, universal, carving on the stone type of truth.
Khudaya, Pir Sahib is impressed. I lost the battle
you still have not provided an answer how there were so many bodies that these girls were carrying that their hands and clothes were covered in blood, because the operation had not quite begun. so did so many ppl die due to fear and had nose bleeds that as they were beiong carried these girls hands were covered in blood.
Their statements do not jive with the timeline. and cameras of major media outlets were there so its not like someone can monkey around with the time frame.
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maybe the bombs that injued all those ppl were not thrown by govt…farishtay thay
oh yeah, oh yeah.. I can use the farishta card too, oh yeah oh yeah
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I did not put any emoticon when I said that “I lost the battle”. Is that not enough for your non-biased, open minded, non-fundamentalist ego to be satisfied. 
Ok, so 1500 might be a huge number for your logical mind to digest, pick a number of your choice. Point is not if they are lying or not. Point is this that there was an operation where many people were killed (before or after 6th of July, does not matter) insode Lal mosque because of the use of excessive force.
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err no…
you linkd you losing the battle to my being impressed
you needed to you losing the battle to nto having a solid response to a very keen observation by my good friend (kameena insaan nanga baghiar shirt wala chichora) Fayz
so we are saying that the 1500 number is bunk…kewl.
Lets go with what the official figures are so far.
oh believe me there are many in Pakistan and some on this site who would take those girls flight of fantasy as some sort of divine truth. So the point indeed is..that they dont know what the hell they are talking about.
I am surprised that they are free. all these goons need to be arrested for being part of that mob and for taking over a public library etc etc. give them some punishment..make them to sweep teh streets, community service instead of just tossing them in the slammer.
nope..first of all the date does matter because the people were given ample opportunity, forget walkign in that time one could have moonwalked backwards out of the bldg and circle the compound 3 times impersonating the ministry of funny walks. They chose not to do so..
secondly. it was not excessive force, if the military had decided to use excessive force we would have seen reno’s waco or putins moscow scenario which was not there.
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Some might have been killed but the 1500 number is preposterous
and the ninja said that there were no guns, no weapons in the compound…which is another lie
Seriously, these girls have been brainwashed since they were born, so I am not shocked at the lies they keep repeating but why are you repeating their lies as the truth?