Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Jesus PBUH and Muhammad PBUH) - Islam and Christianity
Old man i had just finished reading two articles on Mary & Trinity in Wikipedia (may not be authoratative). I mean it is all confusing, how the christian world has interpreted the sayings of the christ. So many logics had been applied to it to deduce what you currently believe. amazing it is indeed.
About the Mary being God i had just referred about it that though it is not a main stream christian belief but again some quasi christian sect existed in Arabia which believed so. Also the appellation, "mother of God" but not God herself is such a convoluted logic that it is difficult from hyperbolic geometry.
Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Jesus PBUH and Muhammad PBUH) - Islam and Christianity
MKF personally i feel, they are innovations in every religion, like in case of Muslims a sect which believes that Humans have knowledge of unseen, so delving on this topic is a complete no, no.
Well thats my personal belief and I like your style of argument, just dropped into say the previous post was unlike our MKF.
Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Jesus PBUH and Muhammad PBUH) - Islam and Christianity
Well Slave of Allah
Thanks for comments, & i am sorry if my previous post was insulting to christians. By convoluted i mean twisted. Hyperbolic geometry is considered the most convoluted subject in Mathematics as its imagination is almost extremely hard. Sorry if someone like old man may have been hurt of my wordings.
i wanted to see why Quran has said in 5:116 that Christ never said that Me and my mother are two Gods other than Allah, while christians say that they never think that Mary is God. So i was searching for the reason why Quran has mentioned that.
Christians say that the third manifestations of the God is Holy Spirit, whose precise definition is difficult for me to explain. However they think that Holy spirit is feminine as per the gender used in hebrew text for holy spirit, I wonder some of these christians consider Holy spirit to be mary etc etc. But they argue that probably (nauzbillah) Hazrat Muhammad never had enough exposure to christian faith and he never understood the real concept behind trinity and consider trinity to be God, Mary & Jesus. However Quran uses the term holy spirit i think multiple times and it is naive to think that Prophet did not know about Holy Spirit but used them in Quran (if nauzbillah as per allegation he wrote Quran himself). Surely Allah knows better why he said this in Quran.
Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Jesus PBUH and Muhammad PBUH) - Islam and Christianity
A minute small quasi Christian sect can’t be used to paint the whole Christian faith with. There exist some horrendous teachings from small sects like that. None of them are a barometer for the Christian faith.
If your problem is that Mary is called Jesus’ mother, no problem to explain.
Jesus existed before Adam because, according to the Bible, the he was instrumental in the creation of the universe. Surely God can recreate/make a part of Him as a fertilised cell (nothing from the human race but all God), and plant it in the womb of a human woman (Mary) in order to carry it to term and deliver, raise, etc. Any artificial inseminated women that bore a child are still called it’s mother, but not it’s biological mother. Mary was not Jesus’ biological mother.
Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Jesus PBUH and Muhammad PBUH) - Islam and Christianity
No offence taken. Until I read this post I didn’t even knew what you were saying.
The Holy Spirit is rather genderless. I far as I know, the Holy Spirit is NEVER mentioned as feminine in the Bible. The terms “he” and “it” is in the Bible. The theory might originate from ignorant people that considers the Holy Spirit to be the “Mother” figure in the Trinity “family” of three.
Exactly what Christians believe.
I am sure that the prophet did hear and know about the Holy Spirit from his contacts with Christians. He unfortunately misunderstood the concept though. (Not being blasphemous!).
Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Jesus PBUH and Muhammad PBUH) - Islam and Christianity
Well Old Man
Hazrat Muhammad first went to a Christian Scholar who was his maternal relative Warqa bin Naufal who was a scholar par excellence of Christianity at those times. If he could not tell him the basic concept of triniity than i think no one else could. Also he had long debates with christians of Najraan, so this theory is baseless or in sometimes a large population of christians have been believing Holy Spirit to be some form of Mary as i was reading in the talk section of Wikipedia that the hebrew text of Bible used feminine Gender of Holy spirit. I think this argument does not hold much weight. Any way you are right to point out whatever you feel right, like we keep on pointing out the discrepancies in your scriptures. It is ongoing process. Rather this debate forces us to go back and try to understand what is written with the help of context and commentaries and i think this is better for us all.
