Interfaith Dialogue - Islam and Christianity

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Then how did Christian theologians come up with the doctrine that the Messiah will be God, whereas Jesus was a jew and did not come to change the jewish belief, which according to you does not say this in certainty.

I disagree, it is a prophecy but more than just about Jesus:

ISA.20:2-3
*2 at that time Jehovah spake by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go, and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put thy shoe from off thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot. *
*3 And Jehovah said, Like as my servant Isaiah hath walked naked and barefoot three years for a sign and a wonder concerning Egypt and concerning Ethiopia; *

If you start reading from the begining it is a prophecy though people interpret it differently. What does it prophesize then?

If Deu.18:18 is the prophecy of coming of Jesus then why does it prophesize the coming of a prophet like unto Moses:

Deu.18:8 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

*Acts.3:22 Moses indeed said, A prophet shall the Lord God raise up unto you from among your brethren, like unto me. To him shall ye hearken in all things whatsoever he shall speak unto you. *

Again, the prophecy speaks of a prophet not Son of God. Bretheren is also not meant to be the Children of Israel, where Jesus came from.

Good point however that was not what I meant. The verse also drew a similitude of worship between Jesus PBUH and Isaiah. Worship here is not likened to worshipping God but following Gods commandments, which is why the latter verse states "... teaching as their doctrines the precepts of men.". To me this means they replace the commandments of God by man-made laws.

Why not the Son of the Holy Spirit? If yes, then Holy spirit and God are just two names used for the same God and not really part of a Trinity. If the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one then the Son of God can also be the Son of the Son of God by logical definition and explanation of Trinity with really does it leave triune anymore.

Have you ever been able to convince a child that 3 means 1 and 1 means 3. I child can easily grasp one means 1 only. If the bible were so clear there should be no confusion as in Islam it is crystal about the oneness of God and you cannot find even a common muslim leave a thelogian who will be confused about it.

Jesus never preached Trinity nor did any prophet before him, this is something you cannot establish with certainty from the Bible, Torah or Quran. In fact Jews were monotheistic as muslims are. In fact Jesus mostly refered to himself as Son of Man and never called himself God, so the founder (as you may say) of each creed never talked about Trinity but always as God as being distinct.

So unity of purpose however in the first verse I find it strange when I compare against the verses in John 1, where John the Baptist would baptize but not in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Spirit though he knew about them according to the verses. It is intersting to read where it states its was only God in the beginning but no mention of Trinity. And then John was sent to as a witness to the light (the Light being God), he was sent as a prophet. Let me share an excerpt from John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. **
*2 The same was in the beginning with God. *
*3 All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made. *
*4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. *
*5 And the light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness apprehended it not. *
*6 There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John. *
*7 The same came for witness, that he might bear witness of the light, that all might believe through him. *
*8 He was not the light, but came that he might bear witness of the light. *
*9 There was the true light, even the light which lighteth every man, coming into the world. *
*10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world knew him not. *
*11 He came unto his own, and they that were his own received him not. *
*12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become children of God, even to them that believe on his name: *
*13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. *14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father), full of grace and truth.**

If you pat special attention to 12, those who accepted the light or God became the Children of God (Sons of God as well). Then the word became flesh, what does that mean. To me if I read it in context it implies the knowledge about God and his commandments with humans is what is meant by "Word became Flesh". There is no mention of Holy Spirit either.**

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