Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Heaven, Hell & Jdugement day) - Islam and Christianity
Correct except that other Christians might have more reasons why we can’t live in heaven.
Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Heaven, Hell & Jdugement day) - Islam and Christianity
I never said they mean the same. Son of Man obvious reflect on the fact that Jesus was born from a woman. Son of Man reflect that Jesus is from God.
Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Heaven, Hell & Jdugement day) - Islam and Christianity
Don’t understand the reason why you quote Lewis. 
You are more often succeeding in confusing me than before 
Everything is “a mistery” for the Roman Catholic Church. For many years they preferred the ordinary Christian NOT to have a Bible in his own language. They tried, and are still attempting, to keep Christian thought wrapped as possible. You will have to dig deeper for reputable Christian scholars that don’t understand the Holy Spirit, and I don’t mean a specific attribute or aspect.
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While we are on the subject of the Roman Catholic Church:
They believe in Purgatory. Every believer will be tormented just a little (doing penance) because of his/her sins committed. There is absolutely NO reference to such a thing in the Bible. They get a single reference that sacrifices can be offered to the dead in an Apocryohical Book 2 Machabees. It is one of their false doctrines to get the normal believer to part with his money to the church.
Living believers can buy time off and earn time off for their beloved in purgatory. Interesting, all Popes DON'T go to purgatory but straight to "heaven", also Saints get a "get-free-out-of-purgatory" card when they are proclaimed Saints.
Some of the Roman Catholic Church doctrines are so far removed from the Bible that I actually put them in the grey area where only God can decide whether someone believing what they do, can be saved.
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Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Heaven, Hell & Jdugement day) - Islam and Christianity
You are convinced that you say the right thing though it is illogical.
Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Heaven, Hell & Jdugement day) - Islam and Christianity
Don’t mean to confuse but I’m just trying gain some insight why Christians believe the way they do because it is quite different from the Bible. To me the essential foundations of a religion should be crystal clear as religion is something meant for mankind to understand or how else will he get to his salvation. Let me ask, what advantage does Trinity give over Monotheism (Trinity depends on the other doctrines of Christianity i.e. Atonement, Original sin, ressurection, take away any of them and Christianity cannot stand as you yourself have stated before, on the other hand Monotheism depends on nothing but Allah SWT or God himself, it is not subject to other doctrinal beliefs, you can take away any other aspect from Islam and it will still stand because the very Oneness of the principle of Gods oneness is unique or one and only)? Or to me the golden question always has been, what does Christianity offer me that Islam doesn’t?
And this secrecy has given rise to many many interpretations of Christianity, has it not. If you know the secret to salvation for mankind then you should be shouting it from the roof-top not hide it or alienate people from it or discourage to witness it themself. Ones salvation does not take away anything from anothers.
Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Heaven, Hell & Jdugement day) - Islam and Christianity
They believe in Purgatory. Every believer will be tormented just a little (doing penance) because of his/her sins committed. There is absolutely NO reference to such a thing in the Bible. They get a single reference that sacrifices can be offered to the dead in an Apocryohical Book 2 Machabees. It is one of their false doctrines to get the normal believer to part with his money to the church.
Living believers can buy time off and earn time off for their beloved in purgatory. Interesting, all Popes DON'T go to purgatory but straight to "heaven", also Saints get a "get-free-out-of-purgatory" card when they are proclaimed Saints.
Some of the Roman Catholic Church doctrines are so far removed from the Bible that I actually put them in the grey area where only God can decide whether someone believing what they do, can be saved.
In all honesty, do you view such disagreements in fundamental matters of faith as a good sign? Does it ever make you think that everyone who believes in it is so far removed from it, why? For instance, there is no denial that there are sects or factions under the Islamic umbrella, but none of them differ on the fundamental creed of Islam i.e. Tawhid and Muhammad SAW. When I compare this to Christianity, I see much of the fragmentation in the fundamental doctrines of Christianity. When it comes down to the nitty gritty details concerning laws or other rituals I hardly see many practicing Christianity but rather more secular law and global human values or let us say a common denominator to all humanistic aspects of religions.
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Where you are wrong. “Trinity” = Monotheism. What you, and other Muslims confuse, is Tri-theism, or the believe of three distinct Gods. Christians don’t believe in three Gods. The Tri-une concept is God manifested in three distinct entities same as man is and how God created mankind. I haven’t explaine Genises 1-2 but will it in a separate post.
The Tri-une concept does not depends on these doctrines. Christianity as religion does. If Adam didn’t sin, there would not have been a need for Christianity or Jesus. Unfortunately Adam DID sin…
Not true. Islam disintregrates if either the Qur’an OR the prophet Muhammad’s unique position is threatened. Take away the Qur’an and there is no Islam. Let the prophet Muhammad NOT be the last prophet, and there is no Islam.
No secret. Christians have been murdered for their faith and has not been quiet - the growth of Christianity proves that. We are even called by the Name of our Saviour, Christ Jesus!
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Roman Catholism relative to the Prostestantism and other denominations are as Ahmedi’s to Sufi’s/Suni’s. If it is bad for Christianity, it also is bad for Islam.
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Can you explain it otherwise? Would Jesus PBUH be God or Son of God?
You are right in the way you have said it. The Christian religion does. However no need for Jesus PBUH if not the original sin, so it does depend. If you take away the original sin then Jesus PBUH sacrifice is in vain. They depend on one another.
Islamic shariah depends on Quran and its demonstration by Prophet Muhammad SAW but not Tawhid. Tawhid never depended on Quran or Muhammad SAW but Quran and Muhammad SAW were means to communicate it to the people. The doctrine of Tawhid has nothing in common with Trinity except the word God. Tawhid was there when Adam PBUH existed and even before him. Trinity did not exist before Jesus PBUH as the bible clearly says in a verse as (just paraphrasing here) "... In the beginning the word was God ...". No mention of Trinity.
Not the point I made. I was alluding to the fact that you mentioned about the Catholic church restricting access to the bible. Why did the religious nobility have to be in the hands of a few when it is supposed to be for all mankind.
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No contrast here. Sufis believe in Tawhid, Ahmedis believe in Tawhid and so do Sunni's believe in Tawhid. The political differences are not healthy for either i agree with that.
I take it you are not Catholic but protestant.
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I have seen MANY posts on this forum claiming the Qur'an to be scientific correct. I believe the first chapter on creation in the Bible CLEARLY proves how much divine inspired scripture can be (Genesis 1-2).
God doesn't need to identify or explain Himself to mankind and therefor the first verse also just make a statement: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The words for "create" in the Hebrew is bara and "to make" is yatsar and asah. In this discussion (on Angels) and in the Qur'an the word for "create" and "made from" is used as if they are synonims, which they ARE NOT.
"Create" is to make from "nothing". The one moment it does not exist, the next it does. "To make from" is different and in the process some substance is used ot form some other substance or item. Mankind can also "make" but can't "create". According to the Qur'an, Angels and Jinn are "created" from light (substance = can be measured and contained) and smokeless fire (substance). Mankind can control these substances. It is therefor wrong to state that Angels and Jinn were "created", it is a contradiction in words.
God only "created=bara" three times during the whole chapter 1 in Genesis. The rest of the time God "made" from something. If ever there were one chapter in the Bible that runs parallel with modern scienctific thought and knowledge, then it is the creation story. You can read how cosmologists, astronomers, biologists, physics, chemistry and any pure science see the creation of the universe and it absolutely correctly follows the sequence as laid down in Genesis 1. Every step of the way was explained about 3500 years ago to a man called Moses. Now if that is not devine inspiration, then I don't know! What scientists can't explain during the chain of events, are what God "created".
Let me explain. No scientist can even begin to theorize what happened before the Big Bang. Take the primordial "atom". God, in Genesis 1v1 stated He created out of nothing (bara) all materie. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and I can continue, ALL THAT IS IN IT. God created the original materie which the whole universe are made off and no scientist can explain the origen off.
The word used for God is "Elhohim" the plural of "Elam". In the same first verse it is mention of God's Spirit. After this first creation act, God then took the materie and "made it" (asah) into different things. Forget about days, they are merely to point to certain era that were completed before the next started.
All scientists will agree that for the first 100 million years there were almost just light due to the intense explosion. They presently are trying to see inside the first 500 million years with great difficulties. God then started to separate light from darkness (materie being attracted together and creating dark spaces. Suns and planets were formed - Gen1v3 Day/Era One. Initially Earth was a cloud and as it contracted, the atmosphere developed away from the firm earth. God made a division between the waters of the expanse (gases/atmosphere) and the waters below (liquids and solids) - Gen.1v6 Day/Era Two.
On day/era 3, God separated the liquid water into lake, seas and rivers - Gen.1v9. God then let vegetation sprout forth. On day/era 4, God caused the thick cloud over the earth to start raining and the Sun, Moon, stars and planets become visible from Earth - Gen.1v14. Thus far ALL as per scientific evidence.
On day/era 5 God let the waters (as science also show to be the first place where any living organisms eveloped) "teem with living creatures", then birds, sea animals, and other "living and moving things" - Gen.1v20. The only difference is that God 'created' (bara) during this process. What did God create? It clearly states God created "living" creatures. What are living creatures diffrerent from plants and micro-orgasms? For "living" in the expression "living creatures", the Bible/Moses used the word nephesh (translated and used to denote "soul" tight through the Bible). Scientists can't say what "live" is. It is something not tangible to them. All living being therefor had a soul inside them. What distinguish an animal from a plant (they both live, grow, reproduce, etc.), is the intellect and emotions and will wich is the soul.
During day/era 6, God decided to created something else. God after He "made" man from clay (substance), He blew in man's nostrils His breath (Gen.2v7), or part of God's Spirit. What did God do? He imparted into every human being a part of His Spirit. That is the reason only humans have a longing for a supernatural being, that is the reason man is the only "animal" that worships something. NO animal even in the remotest try and worship. Why this longing? Because a part of God's Spirir is in each and everyone of us and it longs to be re-united with God. Only man can repent, have morals, have a longing for a superior being. It differentiates us from the animals kingdom. It is written in Gen.2v7 that when God breathed into man, "man became a living being", or to use the original language, "man became a living nephesh" or soul. There was now something living insu=ide the soul of man - man's spirit.
Only three times God created in Genesis. Once, when He created materie, secondly when He created souls, thirly when He created spirit beings.
In Genesis 1v26 the Bible states that God said: "Let us make man in our **image, in our **likeness**". How did God created man? Not looking like clones of Him - we differ too much outwardly. What is meant? God created man in the Image and Likeness, the same form as Himself. That is a spirit living inside a soul living inside a body. Three-in -one. Same as God. In His likeness, in His image.
Are a human three distinct persons? NO! Are a human made up of three distict entities? Yes! Even the Qur'an agrees that man consist at least out of a Body and a Soul! But the Qur'an ALSO state that Allaah "breathed" his Spirit into man! A Christian, like me, when reading the Qur'an, realized that it agrees with the Bible on the composition of man!
Did God in other ways also indicate this three-in-one? Yes. God, when He commanded that the Ark of the Covenant be build (the only building a model was made in heaven in oder to CLEARLY show Moses how it should be build because of the implied importance), as well as the first ever Temple (in which God himself inhabited), were both build in the three-inside-another concept. You have the outside where things were done (body), the inner section where only righteous men may enter (soul) and the innermost where only the high priest (after cleansing himself) can enter BECAUSE God was there.
No part of the Qur'an agree on such major proportion with science as the Bible's story of creation does. It even makes provision for evolution! The three items created, can't be explained by science. Even the psychologists agree that the human is made up of a body=body, id=soul, and ego=spirit. The Bible explained it all thousand of years ago. THAT is inspired scripture.
Does God exist as three distinct Gods? No. Three distinct entities? Yes. How do they combine to be the Almighty God? Impossible for man's mind to grasp. Man can't even grasp how his own three-in-oneness is compiled and combined.
If Christianity taught that the Father (so called because of His attitude towards us), and the Spirit are two entities combined into God Almighty, none would have a problem. The problem starts when Jesus get to be in the picture. But why can't an Almighty God NOT make part of himself similar to humans? Why can't an Almighty God NOT be able to walk in His own creation? No reasons are given. The Trinity or Tri-une concept explains not just Salvation as taught by Jesus, but also how God might be seem to work, and how we ourselves tick.
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Is a part of the whole not still associated with the whole? When a sinner’s soul left his body at death, the soul will be condemned to Hell while the body will be rotting in the ground. Who is the person? Digging up the body, people will say, “John”, when standing before the throne of Judgement, God will say “John”.
One BIG mistake made by Islam (and excuse my saying so) the prophet Muhammad is to think Jesus is the Son of the father as we understand son born from your sperm. Jesus is the Son of the Father in obedience as we can be sons of God. Jesus is the material part of God manifested to us.
Maybe the same way Islam restricts the full understanding to the grasp of Arabic! Power and ego od those in control, I suppose.
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I am a disciple of Jesus Christ and interdenominational. I used to be a Protestant till about 30 years ago when I was reborn a Christian.
There are faults in each denomination, some large, some small. None is perfect, only God Himself, no book, no prophet, no building, no city, nothing else.
Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Heaven, Hell & Jdugement day) - Islam and Christianity
The Scientific Fact of Bible from excerpts of Dr. Maurice Bucaille and I have read this book.
Only contains Genesis Chapter 1 and Verses 1-19, and check out the logical explanation wrt verses. Please do read Verses 14-19
Chapter 1, verses 1 & 2:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters."
It is quite possible to admit that before the Creation of the Earth, what was to become the Universe as we know it was covered in darkness. To mention the existence of water at this period is however quite simply pure imagination. We shall see in the third part of this book how there is every indication that at the initial stage of the formation of the universe a gaseous mass existed. It is an error to place water in it
Verses 3 to 5:
"And God said, 'Let there be light', and there was light. And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day."
The light circulating in the Universe is the result of complex reactions in the stars. We shall come back to them in the third part of this work. At this stage in the Creation, however, according to the Bible, the stars were not yet formed. The "lights' of the firmament are not mentioned in Genesis until verse 14, when they were created on the Fourth day, "to separate the day from the night", "to give light upon earth"; all of which is accurate.* It is illogical***, however, to mention the result (light) on the first day, when the cause of this light was created three days later. The fact that the existence of evening and morning is placed on the first day is moreover, purely imaginary; the existence of evening and morning as elements of a single day is only conceivable after the creation of the earth and its rotation under the light of its own star, the Sun!
verses 6 to 8:
"And God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.' And God made the firmament and separated the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day."
The myth of the waters is continued here with their separation into two layers by a firmament that in the description of the Flood allows the waters above to pass through and flow onto the earth. This image of the division of the waters into two masses is **scientifically unacceptable**.
verses 9 to 13: **
**"And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.' And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. And God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind upon the earth.' And it was so. The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, a third day."
The fact that continents emerged at the period in the earth's history, when it was still covered with water, is quite acceptable scientifically. What is totally untenable is that a highly organized vegetable kingdom with reproduction by seed could have appeared before the* existence of the sun*** (in Genesis it does not appear until the fourth day), and likewise the establishment of alternating nights and days.
verses 14 to 19: **
**"And God said, 'Let there be lights in the firmaments of the heavens to separate the day from night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth.' And it was so. And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon earth, to rule over. the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day."
Here the Biblical author's description is acceptable. The only criticism one could level at this passage is the position it occupies in the description as a whole. Earth and Moon emanated, as we know, from their original star, the Sun. To place the creation of the Sun and Moon after the creation of the Earth is contrary to the most firmly established ideas on the formation of the elements of the Solar System.
Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Heaven, Hell & Jdugement day) - Islam and Christianity
God doesn't need to identify or explain Himself to mankind and therefor the first verse also just make a statement: In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
The words for "create" in the Hebrew is bara and "to make" is yatsar and asah. In this discussion (on Angels) and in the Qur'an the word for "create" and "made from" is used as if they are synonims, which they ARE NOT.
"Create" is to make from "nothing". The one moment it does not exist, the next it does. "To make from" is different and in the process some substance is used ot form some other substance or item. Mankind can also "make" but can't "create". According to the Qur'an, Angels and Jinn are "created" from light (substance = can be measured and contained) and smokeless fire (substance). Mankind can control these substances. It is therefor wrong to state that Angels and Jinn were "created", it is a contradiction in words.
God only "created=bara" three times during the whole chapter 1 in Genesis. The rest of the time God "made" from something. If ever there were one chapter in the Bible that runs parallel with modern scienctific thought and knowledge, then it is the creation story. You can read how cosmologists, astronomers, biologists, physics, chemistry and any pure science see the creation of the universe and it absolutely correctly follows the sequence as laid down in Genesis 1. Every step of the way was explained about 3500 years ago to a man called Moses. Now if that is not devine inspiration, then I don't know! What scientists can't explain during the chain of events, are what God "created".
Let me explain. No scientist can even begin to theorize what happened before the Big Bang. Take the primordial "atom". God, in Genesis 1v1 stated He created out of nothing (bara) all materie. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth and I can continue, ALL THAT IS IN IT. God created the original materie which the whole universe are made off and no scientist can explain the origen off.
The word used for God is "Elhohim" the plural of "Elam". In the same first verse it is mention of God's Spirit. After this first creation act, God then took the materie and "made it" (asah) into different things. Forget about days, they are merely to point to certain era that were completed before the next started.
All scientists will agree that for the first 100 million years there were almost just light due to the intense explosion. They presently are trying to see inside the first 500 million years with great difficulties. God then started to separate light from darkness (materie being attracted together and creating dark spaces. Suns and planets were formed - Gen1v3 Day/Era One. Initially Earth was a cloud and as it contracted, the atmosphere developed away from the firm earth. God made a division between the waters of the expanse (gases/atmosphere) and the waters below (liquids and solids) - Gen.1v6 Day/Era Two.
On day/era 3, God separated the liquid water into lake, seas and rivers - Gen.1v9. God then let vegetation sprout forth. On day/era 4, God caused the thick cloud over the earth to start raining and the Sun, Moon, stars and planets become visible from Earth - Gen.1v14. Thus far ALL as per scientific evidence.
On day/era 5 God let the waters (as science also show to be the first place where any living organisms eveloped) "teem with living creatures", then birds, sea animals, and other "living and moving things" - Gen.1v20. The only difference is that God 'created' (bara) during this process. What did God create? It clearly states God created "living" creatures. What are living creatures diffrerent from plants and micro-orgasms? For "living" in the expression "living creatures", the Bible/Moses used the word nephesh (translated and used to denote "soul" tight through the Bible). Scientists can't say what "live" is. It is something not tangible to them. All living being therefor had a soul inside them. What distinguish an animal from a plant (they both live, grow, reproduce, etc.), is the intellect and emotions and will wich is the soul.
During day/era 6, God decided to created something else. God after He "made" man from clay (substance), He blew in man's nostrils His breath (Gen.2v7), or part of God's Spirit. What did God do? He imparted into every human being a part of His Spirit. That is the reason only humans have a longing for a supernatural being, that is the reason man is the only "animal" that worships something. NO animal even in the remotest try and worship. Why this longing? Because a part of God's Spirir is in each and everyone of us and it longs to be re-united with God. Only man can repent, have morals, have a longing for a superior being. It differentiates us from the animals kingdom. It is written in Gen.2v7 that when God breathed into man, "man became a living being", or to use the original language, "man became a living nephesh" or soul. There was now something living insu=ide the soul of man - man's spirit.
Only three times God created in Genesis. Once, when He created materie, secondly when He created souls, thirly when He created spirit beings.
In Genesis 1v26 the Bible states that God said: "Let us make man in our **image, in our **likeness**". How did God created man? Not looking like clones of Him - we differ too much outwardly. What is meant? God created man in the Image and Likeness, the same form as Himself. That is a spirit living inside a soul living inside a body. Three-in -one. Same as God. In His likeness, in His image.
Are a human three distinct persons? NO! Are a human made up of three distict entities? Yes! Even the Qur'an agrees that man consist at least out of a Body and a Soul! But the Qur'an ALSO state that Allaah "breathed" his Spirit into man! A Christian, like me, when reading the Qur'an, realized that it agrees with the Bible on the composition of man!
Did God in other ways also indicate this three-in-one? Yes. God, when He commanded that the Ark of the Covenant be build (the only building a model was made in heaven in oder to CLEARLY show Moses how it should be build because of the implied importance), as well as the first ever Temple (in which God himself inhabited), were both build in the three-inside-another concept. You have the outside where things were done (body), the inner section where only righteous men may enter (soul) and the innermost where only the high priest (after cleansing himself) can enter BECAUSE God was there.
No part of the Qur'an agree on such major proportion with science as the Bible's story of creation does. It even makes provision for evolution! The three items created, can't be explained by science. Even the psychologists agree that the human is made up of a body=body, id=soul, and ego=spirit. The Bible explained it all thousand of years ago. THAT is inspired scripture.
Does God exist as three distinct Gods? No. Three distinct entities? Yes. How do they combine to be the Almighty God? Impossible for man's mind to grasp. Man can't even grasp how his own three-in-oneness is compiled and combined.
If Christianity taught that the Father (so called because of His attitude towards us), and the Spirit are two entities combined into God Almighty, none would have a problem. The problem starts when Jesus get to be in the picture. But why can't an Almighty God NOT make part of himself similar to humans? Why can't an Almighty God NOT be able to walk in His own creation? No reasons are given. The Trinity or Tri-une concept explains not just Salvation as taught by Jesus, but also how God might be seem to work, and how we ourselves tick.
Jee, what I did say to get deserve a long answer like that :)
As far as Allah SWT breathing his spirit into Adam, I think I answered this somewhere before. 'HIS' does not mean Allah SWT soul or spirit, but a soul or spirit that was created for Adam. So three separate and distinct things here i.e. Adam (non-living form), Allah SWT, soul or spirit created for breathing into Adam's non-living form. As I mentioned before soul and spirit are synonomous in Islam. Your interpretation is not right.
I have no clue what the Ark of covenant is?
Science cannot explain soul or spirit. Only theories. Evolution is also a theory as is the big bang, just that there is no better theory in science yet. Science is based on material evidence or experimentation. It can certainly come up with theories and thats all there is.
Whatever is in the Quran has been scietifically verified to be true. The amount of scientific accounts of things in the Quran matters not but how accurate and advanced it was for the time Quran was revealed. I think you would agree the only reason we scientific facts or phenomenon in the scriptures is to enforce their divine revelation. And I do not disagree that the bible as not divine revelation, it was, it certainly retains a lot of the divine revelation even now, just that not all of it is divine anymore especially the basic doctrines have been changed as per our belief.
Surely, things that man cannot grasp cannot be explained in mans language either, they are left as unexplained as defined in our language. One of the reasons we cannot grasp it is because we have no language expression or physical experience to express it. Like in Islam, the mysteries of the soul are mostly unexplained and we are not supposed to ponder much either because we have no way of expressing our understanding of it. So if Trinity cannot be grasped how are Christians possibly expressing it in language that makes it understandible, which is what the Catholic school says, its a mystery, as you just said it with a different accent of words.
Why does an all-powerful God need to beget a Son and dwell among the people to and sacrifice Jesus PBUH?
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One BIG mistake made by Islam (and excuse my saying so) the prophet Muhammad is to think Jesus is the Son of the father as we understand son born from your sperm. Jesus is the Son of the Father in obedience as we can be sons of God. Jesus is the material part of God manifested to us.
Are not all Prophets sons of God in that sense? Btw the difference or objection Islam has is not about being the Son of God metaphorically but because no one should be worshipped except God. Jesus PBUH is worshipped as God in Christianity as if he has the same stead as God. I think you have it wrong. What is not acceptible is that others are partenered in worship with God. No one has the power to forgive except God, not Jesus PBUH and not Muhammad PBUH. You will not find muslims putting Muhammad SAW on the same shelf as Allah SWT. This is why Jesus PBUH being a prophet cannot be elevated to the same status of God even though you may metaphorically call him son of God because his personality is a manifestation of things that God wants mankind to follow. Many prophets and people have been called son of God or children of God in the bible, and we know its a metaphor but Christianity does not elevate them to the status of God except Jesus PBUH. We all worship God? Is that correct. If muslims started worshipping Muhammad SAW, that would mean we are elevating him to the status of God, same for Jesus PBUH whether in Islam or Christianity. Did Jesus PBUH ever say he does things of his own will, always its doing the will of the Father, always permission from the Father. Jesus PBUH himself never equated himself to God then what right people have to do so?
Nop, Islam doesn't restrict it. You can learn Arabic, your hands are not tied. Depends on your interest. People especially Arabs behaving superior somewhat true but all have different reasons. Some out of ego (I agree) and some to guard the purity of the message (nothing wrong with that). But it is accessible to all. No one is discouraged to learn or ask questions.
Re: Interfaith Dialogue (Heaven, Hell & Jdugement day) - Islam and Christianity
Error by scientist. The stars became visible from earth only from the 4’th day. Scientists agree. that the Earth was enveloped by a gas cloud similar as Venus is presently. Verse 3 to 5 celarly state there were light before the start became visible. Bible still correct.
Slaveof Allaah, ALL of what the scientist said is wrong hang on one point: when did God make the stars (Sun is one of the stars). It can be clearly seen that the Bible indicates in verse 3-5 that the stars were already in existence then. You or the scientist agree that the “light circulating in the Universe is the result of complex reactions in the stars” proving that at this point the stars were made. Where else did the light and darkness come from? The scientist wrongfully interpreted (because he most probably can’t accept that the Bible is scientifically correct and are looking for “mistakes”) that the stars are only made in 14 to 19, not even considering that once the Earth were in existence, ALL views are from the Earth and not from outside the Earth.
Interesting that the scientist is so quiet on the formation of life and it’s sequence as per science/evolution. Me thinks he certainly only latched onto what he perceived as a mistake - very unscientific by not keeping an open mind..
Error by scientist. Day is not 24 hours but eras. Bible still correct.
Error by scientist. Scientists agree that there was a stage where the gaseous cloud started to contract into solid/liquid and gas around. Bible still correct.
Error by scientist. As stated above the sun was already there, but not visible from Earth. Plants necessary to break up the carbondioxide gas surrounding the Earth. Scientists have been theorising to seed the clouds of Venus to help disolve it’s cloud as well. Bible still correct in the sequence of events.
Error by scientist. The Sun and Moon existed as explained before. BTW, Earth and Moon did not come from the Sun. Still Bible correct with sequence!
Slaveof Allaah, ALL of what the scientist said is wrong hang on one point: when did God make the stars (Sun is one of the stars). It can be clearly seen that the Bible indicates in verse 3-5 that the stars were already in existence then. You or the scientist agree that the “light circulating in the Universe is the result of complex reactions in the stars” proving that at this point the stars were made. Where else did the light and darkness come from? The scientist wrongfully interpreted (because he most probably can’t accept that the Bible is scientifically correct and are looking for “mistakes”) that the stars are only made in 14 to 19, not even considering that once the Earth were in existence, ALL views are from the Earth and not from outside the Earth.
Interesting that the scientist is so quiet on the formation of life and it’s sequence as per science/evolution. Me thinks he certainly only latched onto what he perceived as a mistake - very unscientific by not keeping an open mind…