Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

[hareem01]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

Okay I'm not referring to the book but I have heard her talks and I have a big problem when she talks on behalf of the Pakistani women when she hasn't seen or experienced other parts of Pakistan except the Pakhtuns areas. Her view of Pakistani women is based on Pathan women in conservative areas of Pakistan. She hasn't seen women in other parts of the country driving, getting co-educated, and working in almost every field. So yeah, thanks to Malala, now all the gorays who know her think of us Pakistani women as backward goat-herders. :(

[Monk]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

Bring passages about Qadianis first. Don;t use google and Orya Maqbool Jaan.

For Rushdie, read the complete passage:

*"My father also saw the book as offensive to Islam but believes strongly in freedom of speech. ‘First, let’s read the book and then why not respond with our own book,’ he suggested. He ended by asking in a thundering voice my grandfather would have been proud of, ‘Is Islam such a weak religion that it cannot tolerate a book written against it? Not my Islam!’ " * For her, the book was offensive, but she is suggesting another way for protest. Book in favour of Prophet to respond the Rushdie. Have you read books of Professor Rafiq Zakaria against Satanic Verses. If not and read that. You will feel more relaxed than burning properties and killing your own countrymen.

This whole argument is ill formed and made in a way, so it can sustain and keep getting attention.

1-Real issue is not some one writing agaisnt prophet(saw), I think he(saw) is most written against person.
2-Through out the history orientalist movement spend tons and tons of money to discredit islam/prophet/quran. There is nothing new there.

Its not matter of freedom of speech at all. Its been done, and it would be done all the time. Problem is why people were exposed to this one piece of literature in such a vulnerable way ? I dont know how it came about.
Was the book published in muslims countires ????

All his(saw) life some people chose to do baseless buhtan against him. That still continues.

How ever what is reason putting this in " I am malala" ?? other then give some thing famous which people(white) relate to.
Quck way of showing open "mindedness"

[muqawwee123]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

no let me So you. So you are saying only ahmadis were attack before current wave of extremism ? That make Malal a liar, you words.

what jinnah and his sister ?? I think pakistani women dress moderate even with out taliban policing. We are against any one forcing dress code on people. I dont know what we talking about dress code here ?

You hilighted the part talking baout women limited to homes in burqa, thats why we are talking about dress code. In fact, its not about dress code as Malala herself apears in scarf / duppata and she is not against the modest dress code opt by ladies and not imposed on them. It was more about not giving opportunities to our ladies to work, get educated. You tell me, isn't majority in rural / tribal areas still reluctant to let their ladies to enter in professional fields like males?

She said minorities were attacked giving examples of major victims of intolerance. If I had to written that sentence, I would definitely added Hindus of Sindh.

Why its an indigestible thing for us to read / hear problems that definitely exist in our society? If Malala wrote and pointed out such things in her book, it can't make her traitor. Tell me, isn't Quran full of references to the problems and social evils that existed in 7th century Arab society?

[muqawwee123]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

Okay I'm not referring to the book but I have heard her talks and I have a big problem when she talks on behalf of the Pakistani women when she hasn't seen or experienced other parts of Pakistan except the Pakhtuns areas. Her view of Pakistani women is based on Pathan women in conservative areas of Pakistan. She hasn't seen women in other parts of the country driving, getting co-educated, and working in almost every field. So yeah, thanks to Malala, now all the gorays who know her think of us Pakistani women as backward goat-herders. :(

I quite agree with your observation. But there are two aspects to this:

First and foremost, majority women in rural areas have to go through all this what Malala mentions. Remember rural areas forms around 70% of Pakistan.

Secondly, goras should not take Malala's book as a bible to Pakistani society, they can refer to other sources. Its not only Malala that can represent Pakistan. So, many Pakistani living abroad can portray the other side of picture as well.

[StrangeOne]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

Her words about Pakistan and Muslims are far far kinder then I would have said at 16 if I was in her position. Dhajiyan ura deti.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

This whole argument is ill formed and made in a way, so it can sustain and keep getting attention.

1-Real issue is not some one writing agaisnt prophet(saw), I think he(saw) is most written against person. 2-Through out the history orientalist movement spend tons and tons of money to discredit islam/prophet/quran. There is nothing new there.

Its not matter of freedom of speech at all. Its been done, and it would be done all the time. Problem is why people were exposed to this one piece of literature in such a vulnerable way ? I dont know how it came about. Was the book published in muslims countires ????

All his(saw) life some people chose to do baseless buhtan against him. That still continues.

How ever what is reason putting this in " I am malala" ?? other then give some thing famous which people(white) relate to. Quck way of showing open "mindedness"

I do agree that it was written out of context, but as far as the thoughts of Malala's father to handle the matter, I found him more justified than those who start killing innocent people in Ishq e Rasool (SAW).

[muqawwee123]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I’m Malala

@StrangeOne

Her words about Pakistan and Muslims are far far kinder then I would have said at 16 if I was in her position. Dhajiyan ura deti.

Blasphemy.

Probably, Malala’s less exposure to Urban centers of Pakistan saved us the wrath like Asma Jehangir

[Monk]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

You hilighted the part talking baout women limited to homes in burqa, thats why we are talking about dress code. In fact, its not about dress code as Malala herself apears in scarf / duppata and she is not against the modest dress code opt by ladies and not imposed on them. It was more about not giving opportunities to our ladies to work, get educated. You tell me, isn't majority in rural / tribal areas still reluctant to let their ladies to enter in professional fields like males?

She said minorities were attacked giving examples of major victims of intolerance. If I had to written that sentence, I would definitely added Hindus of Sindh. Why its an indigestible thing for us to read / hear problems that definitely exist in our society? If Malala wrote and pointed out such things in her book, it can't make her traitor. Tell me, isn't Quran full of references to the problems and social evils that existed in 7th century Arab society?

No circling please. I have mentioned before what issue I have with her book in response to your post, before.

Even before I respond do Queer, saying if this was one of the book west had about pakistan, I would not even post in this thread. When its the ONLY book, it sure would present untrue picture of pakistan.

I do agree that it was written out of context, but as far as the thoughts of Malala's father to handle the matter, I found him more justified than those who start killing innocent people in Ishq e Rasool (SAW).

I am glad you see what I see.

She presented it as her father view, fair enough.
I do, how ever disagree with the father. Rhudi did not say any thing new, He picked one of the few vary famous topic, among critics. And took a dump on muslims.
His book should not have been reprinted in muslim counties, for the sake of peace, There is nothing more to it.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I’m Malala

@Monk

No circling please. I have mentioned before what issue I have with her book in response to your post, before.

Even before I respond do Queer, saying if this was one of the book west had about pakistan, I would not even post in this thread. When its the ONLY book, it sure would present untrue picture of pakistan.

Circling?? BTW queer is with small q and Pakistan is to be with Cap P

I am glad you see what I see.

She presented it as her father view, fair enough.
I do, how ever disagree with the father. Rhudi did not say any thing new, He picked one of the few vary famous topic, among critics. And took a dump on muslims.
His book should not have been reprinted in muslim counties, for the sake of peace, There is nothing more to it.

Please quote me name of Pakistani publisher of ‘Satanic Verses’.

[Monk]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

because queer thinks he is bigger then whole pakistan and pakistanis :D

I asked!! "how and why was people exposed to his book"
Some one must have pic his text and publish is some how, to make him a star.
How was that done?

[muqawwee123]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

because queer thinks he is bigger then whole pakistan and pakistanis :D

I asked!! "how and why was people exposed to his book" Some one must have pic his text and publish is some how, to make him a star. How was that done?

It has never been published in Pakistan. It was fatwa by Ayatullah Khomeni which made him star over night.

Malala's book mentions:

One of their most heated debates in that first year was over a novel. The book was called The Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie, and it was a parody of the Prophet’s life set in Bombay. Muslims widely considered it blasphemous and it provoked so much outrage that it seemed people were talking of little else. The odd thing was no one had even noticed the publication of the book to start with – it wasn’t actually on sale in Pakistan – but then a series of articles appeared in Urdu **newspapers by a mullah close to our intelligence service, berating the book as offensive to the Prophet and saying it was the duty of good Muslims to protest.** Soon mullahs all over Pakistan were denouncing the book, calling for it to be banned, and angry demonstrations were held. The most violent took place in Islamabad on 12 February 1989, when American flags were set alight in front of the American Centre – even though Rushdie and his publishers were British. Police fired into the crowd, and five people were killed. The anger wasn’t just in Pakistan. Two days later Ayatollah Khomeini, the supreme leader of Iran, issued a fatwa calling for Rushdie’s assassination.

[Monk]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

It has never been published in Pakistan. It was fatwa by Ayatullah Khomeni which made him star over night.

Malala's book mentions:

One of their most heated debates in that first year was over a novel. The book was called The Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie, and it was a parody of the Prophet’s life set in Bombay. Muslims widely considered it blasphemous and it provoked so much outrage that it seemed people were talking of little else. The odd thing was no one had even noticed the publication of the book to start with – it wasn’t actually on sale in Pakistan – but then a series of articles appeared in Urdu **newspapers by a mullah close to our intelligence service, berating the book as offensive to the Prophet and saying it was the duty of good Muslims to protest.** Soon mullahs all over Pakistan were denouncing the book, calling for it to be banned, and angry demonstrations were held. The most violent took place in Islamabad on 12 February 1989, when American flags were set alight in front of the American Centre – even though Rushdie and his publishers were British. Police fired into the crowd, and five people were killed. The anger wasn’t just in Pakistan. Two days later Ayatollah Khomeini, the supreme leader of Iran, issued a fatwa calling for Rushdie’s assassination.

And how would she know that?

[muqawwee123]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I’m Malala

@Monk

And how would she know that?

abba ne bataya hoga

BTW, who could be that mullah? Why didn’t she mention his name?

I think there are chances that Mulla who wrote columns was / could be related to intelligence services, considering Afghan jehad and Mulla-Military alliance during that period.

[Monk]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I’m Malala

@muqawwee123

abba ne bataya hoga

BTW, who could be that mullah? Why didn’t she mention his name?

I think there are chances that Mulla who wrote columns was / could be related to intelligence services, considering Afghan jehad and Mulla-Military alliance during that period.

hmm
funny part is no would remember him. People only remember things when they get
action sy bharpoor, nothing before nothing after…strange.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

hmm funny part is no would remember him. People only remember things when they get action sy bharpoor, nothing before nothing after....strange.

May be people from that era who used to read Urdu columns know and recognise the person.

@TLK

[Monk]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I’m Malala

TLK era

[muqawwee123]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

1989, TLK might be in first year :p

[Monk]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I'm Malala

perhaps it started in some other country, and pakistani "ulama" wanted to sing along.

[Pakistani_Prince]

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@Monk

Ok thanks for reminding me such a full of S#!T book.

you F-in kidding me ??? That what the country is all about ???
Ruthless wolf pack of a countries are ok. and problem with a small surviving country ?

When Ms Lamb know so much know about what jinnah was thinking, did she not know… ahmdis were declared non muslim in 70s, Christian were there since 1947… when were they attacked before current wave of extremism ??

And after the current wave of extremism who is not attacked???..

Statics speaks for them self… check the number of death in hands of extremists…
are christian or ahmadies on the TOP???
if not whole point is BULS$it

How conveniently “Malala” become a dadi amma when she need to criticize paksitan creation, and how conviently she becomes a 13 year old cartoon watching kid when, its time to criticize current day situation.

CC: @Southie

@hareem01

lol…I think every honest person is gonna have to agree with this bit of your post.

Sharam nhe ati , ap dono ko Such boltay hovay. Log TTP tag laga dain gy ap k sath. Guys, Zia ul din Yousafzai is politicaly affiliated with ANP.. As we all know, ANP n Bacha Khan opposed creation of Pakistan and supported Congress for political gains… Even today ANP valy, they do nt accept Durand line. So i am not surprised, what else can u expect from people like Ziaudin who has strong links with ANP.

[muqawwee123]

Re: Interesting Extracts from the Book - I’m Malala

lulz](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=Lulz) aap Orya Maqbool ki jaan choR kar book paRh len. Malala herself mentions that people were not happy when status of Swat as an independent state was changed and it became part of NWPF. She also mentions about Durand line matter, but I don’t feel traitor element in her statements.