Interesting article by Jemima Khan in the Independent

Jemima Khan: The things you say sound great, Mr President. So why do you end up disappointing us?The Saturday Column
Saturday, 25 June 2011

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[/LIST]http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00617/pg-14-khan-reuters_617651t.jpg[RIGHT]REUTERS[/RIGHT]*President Obama is a hit with US troops, but don’t be fooled by his Afghan ‘withdrawal’
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Alhamdulillah! President Barack Obama is finally withdrawing troops from Afghanistan.
Except he’s not – only those extras that he deployed in the “surge” of 2009; 68,000 will remain, double the number sent by his predecessor, George Bush.
Obama keeps doing this. Sounding marvellous, then, in retrospect, disappointing. After eight long and bloody years of Bush, everyone outside America, especially Muslims, welcomed this voice of reason, sobriety and perhaps even empathy. Scribbled on a bullet-punctured wall in Gaza was “Obama Inshallah!”. Even in Pakistan, the only ally of the US, which the US regularly bombs, people came out on the streets – any excuse, admittedly – to celebrate his election victory.
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There was not a burning effigy in sight because here was an American president who had a Muslim middle name, a Muslim father and a daughter called Malia, named after, no, not a Hawaiian family friend but, as everyone now knows, the daughter of the Caliph Othman. Obviously. Even if he wasn’t actually a secret Muslim, despite all the wishful whispering over chai that rivalled any Tea Party tittle tattle, at least he understood Muslim culture, having grown up (OK, spent some of his childhood) in Indonesia regularly attending Friday prayers at the mosque (or maybe just once) with his devout (non-observant) Muslim stepfather.
During his election campaign, he promised to “end the war in Iraq” and “finish the job against al-Qa’ida”. No one thought “how’s he going to do that?” because all everyone had been waiting to hear were the words “end” and “finish”. For a short spell, al-Qa’ida’s recruiting agents must have been scratching their beards. But before they had time to say “war on Islam”, the anti-war, Islamophile President Obama had tripled the size of the American force in Afghanistan, approved military action in four other Muslim countries – Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen and more recently Libya – and drastically increased the use of predator drones.
Within 72 hours of settling into the Oval Office, before Pakistanis had even had time to remove the bunting, wash off the henna and restarch their kurtas, the Nobel Prize-winning president had “droned” (it’s become a verb) Pakistan’s tribal areas.
It didn’t take long for Pakistanis to realise and for local newspapers to report with colourful snaps of collateral damage that while dastardly Bush – the real baddie, surely – had used unmanned predator drones 45 times in his eight years in office, Obama was not going to be outdone. He unleashed 118 drones on Pakistan last year alone. According to a Brookings Institute report, charmingly entitled “Do targeted killings work?”, for every one militant killed by these strikes, 10 or so civilians have died. According to US commanders’ official figures, 14 al-Qa’ida leaders have been killed in the tribal areas and 700 civilians. Officials were quick to point out that, of those 700 innocents, “only” 25 per cent were a direct result of Nato bombs. Phew.
There’s a Middle Eastern proverb: “It’s me and my brother against my cousin. But it’s me and my cousin against a foreigner.” Now half a million Pakistani tribals are up in arms, namely Kalashnikovs, which every man in the region owns.
A poll revealed last week that 69 per cent of Pakistanis now view the US as more enemy than ally, and only 8 per cent have confidence in Barack Obama – they’ve dropped the Hussein – to do the right thing in world affairs.
Nuclear-armed Pakistan, with its discredited and fractured military and its own Taliban, has been badly destabilised by the “war on terror”. Before 2002, there was no Pakistani Taliban and suicide attacks were unheard of. Last year, in Pakistan, 11,585 people were killed as a result of terrorist incidents, including 80 suicide attacks.
There comes a point when you have to ask: what is more dangerous, terrorism or counter-terrorism? The irony of the “war on terror” is that the US can win it only when it finally stops fighting it.
Undeterred, the US defence department has asked for a 75 per cent increase in funds to further enhance drone operations in Pakistan.
The US already spends more on war – sorry, defence – than all the other countries in the list of the world’s top 10 military spenders combined.
“We will not relent until the job is done,” said Obama on Wednesday, when announcing the partial troop withdrawal from Afghanistan. What is a job done? What defines victory?
Obama took the opportunity to clarify the war objectives: “to defeat al-Qa’ida” and eliminate safe havens, though more safe havens exist and terrorists operate now outside Afghanistan, from Peshawar to Sanaa. It’s about fighting the resurgent Taliban, he said, who after a decade of fighting, are now in control of two-thirds of the country, poised to fill any vacuum and in political talks with Obama’s own people.
It’s about leaving a functioning Afghan state that can defend itself, though Hamid Karzai’s government is the second most corrupt government in the world (according to Transparency International’s corruption index) and is in power only thanks to American protection. By 2015, he will probably be househunting in Marble Arch, for a pad near his old neighbour, President Musharraf.
The war will be concluded on the very terms it could have been concluded 10 long bloody years ago, trillions of dollars ago, thousands of lives ago. Will someone then refute the oft-repeated mantra of our leaders, “They did not die in vain”?

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This is what most of us being saying all along and we are labelled as taleban apologists. After spending billions of dollars and losing hundreds an thousands of people the alqaeda have spread from Afghanistan to Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq and Somalia.

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and they will keep spreading if America doesn't stop support of Israel and India and Muslim Countries don't implement shariah themselves

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if this is what you believe then you are wrong my friend, Al-Qaida is now ever stronger then it was earlier, before Americans were feared as un-defeatable force on the planet (atleast by muslims) but now, they know that Even American Elephant have its limitation, the Whole Easter Belt of Africa ( Egypt Included), the North African Countries, Such as Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Tunis and Mauritania all are under the influence that Al-Qaida is right and that is only because Al-Qaida is in armed conflict with US, even the groups of Nigeria which have nothing to do with Islam sees US as a Parasite and a force to fight with and they may join the other factions who hate or are in process to fight US..

Saudi, Kuwait, UAE and Qataries are financing these groups in the name of charity.. US have turned the whole world into a ticking bomb and the wild elephant of US is just using its power to further strengthen these factions... i don't what would be the next front, will it be in Yemen or Pakistan or Somalia or Some other part of Africa... but now Al-Qaida is no more in Afghanistan or even in Paksitan ( they would be fool to stay here), most of them are in the thick forests of Africa...

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The next target would be Pakistan in a big way these drones etc are just the trial of what would take place in the country. The Americans have spent a fortune on this region and now it would be difficult for them to suddenly run away, once their forces are reduced from afghanistan then their focus will shift towards Pakistan.

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^^ If that is what they are thinking, then let it be, our establishment need to access our situation, we need to have stronger ties with Iran and China. In case they attack Pakistan, India and Afghanistan would be used as launching pad and then India can forget about it Economic Development as it would take them awful long time to recover from this large scale war...

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Well at present they believe that they can stabilize Afghanistan by operations and spending dollars there. The Americans are spending billions of dollars on taleban alone to win their loyalties, once their feet are completely established there, they would draw back most of their troops from Afghanistan (hence saving the huge logistical costs and the Pakistani leverage due to the NATO goods flowing through Pakistan). They will maintain their bases in Afghanistan even after 2014 so they will use afghanistan for carrying out operations in Pakistan. Besides I think that they Americans plan their bases within Pakistan as well, that's why they are spending billions of dollars on their consulate in Islamabad. See the articles published in today's nawa I waqt as well on this topic.

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Wet dreams i must say, Americans making bases in Afghanistan... and then they will do something about Pakistan... it is like " na noo mán tail hoga, na Radha nachay gee"

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Well they are already working on that, drone attacks, CIA agents and their soldiers/instructors who are present in all of our main security installations, like Americans were also in the pns naval base. They have built up their own spy network in Pakistan by using the same tool/dollars and they have their spies in our forces as well. The situation is becoming more and more unclear with the passage of time. It seems that due to our policies the situation in the Pakistan army is going towards a mutiny and it seems that the Americans are hell bent into putting oil into the fire.

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a.) its called shariat, not sharia. we aren't arab.
b.) we don't want shariat in pakistan.
c.) there will never be shariat in pakistan because muslims aren't a homogenous entity and NEVER will be. an ismaili will reject the bharelvi version of shariat, and a deobandi would reject a shia version, a salafi would reject a tableeghi version etc etc.

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Sir first shariat is law of Muslims not arabs so get your facts right sir maybe you don't want Shariah but more than 90 % Pakistanis want shariah and shariah will get implemented one day because it is only propaganda of secular traitors that their is huge difference between versions and actually their is not

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but on whom you are going to implement Shariah, you are killing the civilians in big numbers and hell bound to kill the remaining, and as far as i know, shariah can't be implemented on trees and animals ( no i am not talking about TTP.. they are worse than animals)

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Shariah will get implemented and will get implemented on Muslims of Pakistan and the whole world

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See wrong again, you are killing Muslims of Pakistan or busy declaring them as Kafirs, you had yoru chances in Swat to implement Shariah where you have implemented nothing but brutality and cruelty to the level that still people of Swat call your era as the black-day in their memories...

so after killing Muslims, declaring every other person not agreeing to you as Kafir and later killing him for blasphemy, only trees and animals will be left in the country called Pakistan, and i have reasons to believe that even Animals will die out of hunger of cruelty your religion ( which is by no mean Islam) imposes... so it will be leave you and trees and as i know, you don't want shariah to be implemented on you ( because it don't allow watching poRn or gay-sex) so we are left with trees and plants, i wonder how would you teach these plants to follow shariah...

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Nobody declared Muslims of Pakistan Kafir and I am not supporting Bomb Blasts here I am condemning both the Bomb Blasts and the brutality of Americans and don't worry Pakistanis are not going anywhere and nor these Bomb Blasts can finish us and Pakistanis will one day stand up for Shariah and will be implemented

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come on in one of your posts you declared Pak-Army as Kafirs and something like that, now just for your info, Pak-Army is made up of people of Pakistan, Pakistani serves in it...

As long as guys like you will present twisted theories, no one is going to stand for Shariah and it just make work of people like me, who preaches for it, little bit more difficult, i can bet on one thing, with your thing, you cannot even convince me of Shariah ( who is bound to implement Khilafaah) let alone to a person who is totally against it...

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I am not saying Pakistan Army kafirs don't misquote me what I said is they should not kill their own Muslim Brothers on the order of Kafirs I am talking about the bombing of Tribals on the order of America and sir their is twisted thing and every Pakistani stands for Shariah

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Well its good these people were given to implement what ever they thought of shariat in Swat, but what ever came out of that made people frightened!

These so called muslims and their religion (this cult is not muslim, they just use the name of Islam) is exposed now, and I dont think any one wants that distorted religion which preaches destruction and savagery. In the guise of shariat even Pakistan army had to ask those so called warriors of islam if they could pass through their land and most of the times they would arrest Pakistan army. Which army or country will allow rogue people taking control of a land, and in the guise of peace they started 'conquering' neighboring areas like Buner etc.

Mullah FM radio (Swat) would issue decrees on his fm channel that today this person will be killed, and the next day his dead body used to be hung in the green chowk (which became khoony chowk). They killed a widow who had to work for her kids (as a school teacher), but how could they allow a woman to work as there was sharia in Swat. Its good now they have started becoming modern and employing women as suicide attackers, or maybe they are hiding behind women.

The so called warrior from Khyber Agency (Mangal Bagh) was a kidnapper and now he is the leader of Lashkar e Islam. If thats the criteria for being a leader of taleban, what kind of 'khair' can you expect from them?

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No shariat was implemented in swat don't try to misguide people and sir people still stand for Islam and shariat and are ready to fight for it and Shariat will be implemented sooner or later

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lol, so what was implemented in swat by molvi fazlullah?