Intercession- Affirming the Intercession of the Prophet to the Sinners of His Nation.

Bissimillah wassallallahu ^ala Rasulillah. Subhanallah.

know that you do need the scholars’ interpretations to understand Al Qur’an! Otherwise we all can interpret it the way any desire. We do not affirm anything In Islam until it’s proven in Al-Qur’an. One would not take Al-Hadith and leave Al-Qur’an nor vice versa because Al-Qur’an and Al-Hadith comply with each other rather than contradict.

Muslim Brother and Sister, know that Allah granted his Prophet the intercession. Intercession is seeking help from others to others. Prophet Muhammad will intercede to the sinners of his nation on the day of judgment. Allah said in (((Al-Baqarah/255))). “Who is he that intercedeth with Him save by His leave?” None intercede without his permission.

Also in (((Surat Al-Anbiya’/28))). [And they cannot intercede except for him whom He accepteth] which means they do not intercede except for those who died as believers. And Prophet Muhammad said “He who visits my grave shall be granted my intercession” related by (((Ad-Daraqutniyy - Sunan Ad-Daraqutniyy/ Book Al-Haj/Bab al-Mawaqeet 2/278))). And Prophet Muhammad said which means “I have saved my answered Du^a’ as my intercession for my nation on the day of judgment” (((Sahih Muslim/ Book Al-Iman/ Bab Ikhtba’ An-Nabiyy, Call for intercssion)))

And the Prophet also said: “My Shafa^ah (Intercession) is for the sinners of my nation” Related by ((((Abu Dawud in Sunan Abi Dawud/Intercession, at-Tirmithy in Jami^ at-Tirmithy/About Shafa^ah, Ibn Majah in Sunan Ibn Majah/About Shafa^ah, Ahmad in Musnad Ahmad 3/213, Ibn Hiban in sahih ibn Hiban/Basen and Shafa^ah 8/131, Al-Hakim in Mustadrak Al hakim/Book At-Tafseer 2/382, At-Tabarany in Al-Mu^jam Al Kabeer 1/258, and Al-Khateeb in History of Baghdad 8/11.)))) And there are many others that I can mention that prove the intercession. Prophet Muhammad intercedes and his intercession is under the will of Allah, it does not change the will of Allah nor does it overcome it, Ma^atahllah.. But Allah granted that intercession and by it, He will intercede for the sinners all by the will of Allah.


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Also to increase your faith, read in Sahih Muslim:
- Hammad b. Zaid, reported: I said to 'Amr b. Dinar: Did you hear Jabir b. 'Abdullah narrating from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) that Allah would bring out people from the Fire through intercession. He said: Yes.
@Book 1, Number 0370:

  • Also in Sahih Muslim Chapter 2/82 Title: AFFIRMATION OF INTERCESSION AND RESCUE FROM FIRE OF THE BELIEVERS IN ONENESS OF ALLAH
    @Book 1, Number 0355:

  • Abu Huraira reported: Verity the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: There is for every apostle a (special) prayer with which he would pray. I wish I could reserve, my prayer for intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection.
    @Book 1, Number 0386:

  • Amr b. Abu Sufyan reported: Abu Huraira said to Ka'b al-Ahbar that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said: For every apostle there Is a (special) prayer by which he would pray (to his Lord). I, however, intend (if Allah so willed) that I would reserve my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection. Ka'b said to Abu Huraira: Did you hear this from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? Abu Huraira said: Yes.
    @Book 1, Number 0389:

  • Abu Huraira said: The Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: There is for every apostle a prayer which is granted, but every prophet showed haste in his prayer. I have, however, reserved my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection, and it would be granted, if Allah so willed, in case of everyone amongst my Ummah provided he dies without associating anything with Allah.
    @Book 1, Number 0390:

  • Abu Huraira said: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Every Messenger is endowed with a prayer which is granted and by which he would (pray to his Lord) and it would he granted for him. I have, however, reserved my prayer for the intercession of my Ummab on the Day of Resurrection.
    @Book 1, Number 0391:

  • Anas b. Malik reported: Verily the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: There is for every apostle a prayer with which he prays (to Allah) for his Ummah. I have reserved my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection.
    @Book 1, Number 0393:

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Continuing:

In Sahih Muslim Title:

  • Chapter2/88: INTERCESSION OF THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH (MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM) FOR ABU TALIB AND SOME REMISSION FOR HIM ON THIS ACCOUNT
    @Book 1, Number 0408:

  • Jabir b. 'Abdullah al-Ansari reported:.. I have been granted intercession. @Book 4, Number 1059:

  • 'A'isha reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) saying: If a company of Muslims numbering one hundred pray over a dead person, all of them interceding for him, their intercession for him will be accepted.
    @Book 4, Number 2072:

  • Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I shall be pre-eminent arriongst the descendants of Adam on the Day of Resurrection and I will be the first intercessor and the first whose intercession will be accepted (by Allah).
    *2*Chapter 3: THE MIRACLES OF THE HOLY PROPHET (MAY PEACE BE UPON HIM) @Book 30, Number 5656:

Also read these long hadiths that prove what we are saying complying with Al-Qur’an that Intercession is granted to the Prophets, I have put the reference instead, because the saying is too long to type and read.

  • It is reported by Abu Sa'id @Book 1, Number 0358:

  • It is reported on the authority of Abu Zubair.. @Book 1, Number 0368:

  • Anas b Malik reported.. @Book 1, Number 0374

  • Ma'bad b. Hilal al 'Anazi reported:.. @Book 1, Number 0378:

So after mentioning that, it becomes clear for those who did not comprehend the meaning of some verses, our belief is that Prophets do intercede and Muslims ask during Du^a’ so they can be granted Shafa^ah, so we ask Allah to grant us the intercession of the Prophet and Allah knows best. If any can belie these ahadiths, let him prove his subject.

): “And your Lord said: ‘Invoke Me (and ask Me for anything), I will respond to your invocation. Verily! Those who scorn My worship *, they will surely enter Hell in humiliation!” [Ghaafir 40:60]. In this aayah, Allaah explains the punishment of those who arrogantly refuse to call on Allaah, whether they call on someone other than Allaah or they do not call on Him at all, out of pride and self-admiration, even if they do not call on anyone else.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Invoke your Lord with humility and in secret…” [al-A’raaf 7:55]. Allaah commands His slaves to call on Him and not anyone else.

Allaah says of the people of Hell (interpretation of the meaning): “[They say:] ‘By Allaah, we were truly in a manifest error when we held you (false gods) as equals (in worship) with the Lord of the Worlds.” [al-Shu’ara’ 26:96-97]

Anything that results in equating something other than Allaah with Allaah in worship or acts of obedience is shirk, the crime of associating partners with Him. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And who is more astray than one who calls (invokes) besides Allaah, such as will not answer him until the Day of Resurrection, and who are (even) unaware of their calls (invocations) to them? And when mankind are gathered (one the Day of Resurrection), they (false deities) will become enemies for them and will deny their worshipping.” [al-Ahqaaf 46:5-6]

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “ And whoever invokes (or worships) besides Allaah, any other god, of whom he has no proof, then his reckoning is only with his Lord. Surely, al-kaafiroon (the disbelievers in Allaah and in the Oneness of Allaah) will not be successful.” [al-Mu’minoon 23:117].

Allaah states that anyone who calls on anything other than him is taking that thing as a god, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “…And those, whom you invoke or call upon instead of Him, own not even a qitmeer (the thin membrane over a date-stone). If you invoke (or call upon) them, they hear not your call, and if (in case) they were to hear, they could not grant it (your request) to you. And on the Day of Resurrection, they will disown your worshipping them. And none can inform you (O Muhammad), like Him Who is the All-Knower (of everything).” [Faatir 35:13-14].

In this aayah, Allaah explains that He is the only One Who deserves to be called upon, because He, and no one else, is the Sovereign who is directing everything. Those things that are worshipped cannot hear du’aa’s, let alone respond to the one who invokes them, and even if they were able to hear, they cannot respond, because they do not have the power to either benefit or harm.

The mushrik Arabs whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was sent to call were disbelievers because of this shirk. They would call upon Allaah sincerely at times of difficulty, but they became disbelievers at times of ease and plenty, when they would call on others besides Him. Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

“And when they embark on a ship, they invoke Allaah, making their Faith pure for Him only, but when He brings them safely to land, behold, they give a share of their worship to others.” [al-‘Ankaboot 29:65]

“And when harm touches you upon the sea, those that you call upon besides Him vanish from you excpet Him (Allaah Alone). But when He brings you safely to land, you turn away (from Him)…” [al-Isra’ 17:67].

“… till when you are in the ships and they sail with them with a favourable wind, and they are glad therein, then comes a stormy wind and the waves come to them from all sides, and they think that they are encircled therein, they invoke Allaah, making their Faith pure for Him Alone…” [Yoonus 10:33]

The shirk of some people nowadays goes even further than the shirk of people in the past, because they direct some acts of worship to something other than Allaah, calling upon them and asking them for help even at times of distress; laa hawla wa laa quwwata illa Billaah (there is no strength and no help except in Allaah). We ask Allaah to keep us safe and sound.

To sum up our response to what your friend mentioned: asking the dead for anything is shirk, and asking the living for anything that no one except Allaah is able to do, is also shirk. And Allaah knows best.

Those are verses from QURAN, the word of Allah.

Your post is not even comparable to that. Posting the fatwass of deviated imaams(brailvi imaams) who molest young kids in the masjids and than come out to give fatwass about things that they do not like to see in Islam. That is just stupid, get a grip on your self, or you will melt.

Take it easy.


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oh yeah and PROPHET MOHAMMAD THE SON OF ABDULLAH IS DEAD!!! HOW CAN A DEAD PERSON INTERCEDE FOR YOU? WHAT A STUPID CONCEPT YOU TRY TO PROVE WITH FABRICATED HADITHS... SO SAD TO SEE IGNORENCES AND WORSHIPERS OF PERSONAL DESIRES SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION ABOUT ISLAM.


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----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

Watcher,

I enjoyed your post, but the whole effect was completely (or significantly) destroyed in the way you chose to end it. I simply didn't understand what was the relevance of this statement to the rest of your post...

Posting the fatwass of deviated imaams (brailvi imaams) who molest young kids in the masjids and than come out to give fatwass about things that they do not like to see in Islam.

I don't have a great love lost for ulemas who molest young kids, belonging to whatever school of thought, but your statement was blantant generalization unfit for the seriousness of the debate. I hope you also realize it.

Back to the topic...

If I understand your posts correctly you believe that if you live your life according to Quran and Sunnah, and keep asking Allah for forgiveness, you will not need anyone else to help you on the Day of Qiyama. Your own amaal (deeds) and the benevolence of Allah Ta'alla will be enough to carry you through and make you successful.

Infact you believe that the Prophet (SAWW) will not be able to help anyone (of his ummah) on the day of Judgement and that he died 1400 years ago and will now be present only on the Day of Judgement. You also infer that any ahadith contradicting this belief, are either fabricated or misquoted, regardless of whether they are from the Sahih Muslim or any other Sahah-e-Sata'a.

You further believe that if anyone even thinks that Prophet (SAWW) will intercede on their behalf, then this is shirk, a gunah-e-kabeera. So, one may infer from the above that you believe that anyone who believes in intercession by the Prophet (SAWW) is probably not even a muslim ... right?

I hope I have understood your position correctly, because you certainly have a very assured demeanour while presenting your belief and views (indicated by expressing some of your statements in CAPITALS - akin to shouting).

You have certainly presented your point of view here, very eloquently.

Ahmed G has done the same.

This topic is discussed in atleast three (if not more) different threads having dozens of posts. Both sides have presented their evidences again and again.

Do the two of you believe, continuing this any further will further the cause of positive discussion? If yes, then please continue.

Otherwise, to each his own.

May Allah guide all of us to the right path. Ameen.

To those who negate and fulsify the fact that the Propeht intercedes to his nation and by his intercession Allah will benefit the Muslims, we followed these scholars mentioned, the scholars that represent Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jama^ah, who are you following?!

Pristine, I am sorry If you feel I was generalizing.

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But you have to go to Pakistan to see this stuff, and I think your already there. More than SOME moulvis in Pakistan do things, which are unimaginable.

You can’t say all of them are right and what ever they say is right. A person no matter what sect or what madhab is he from, cannot give fatwass on fatwass and ignore the sunah. These people give fatwass in general public and than general public is too scared to ask them if it is ok in SUNNAH and QURAN to do such thing.

When someone posts fabricated stuff like Ahmad G does, to prove his point, it just not right and not fair to Mohammad who gave us complete Islam without any need of substration or addition from brailvi Imaams or shia Imaams or anyother imaams of such kind.

And just for the records, I check the information in the books, before I say it is fabricated or not. ON top of that, this guy(ahmad G) never gives the right information on references and names of the books or sites from where he gets the information, so everyone can have their doubts.

Take it easy bro…

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----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----

The way the two of you feel towards each other is unfortunate, though understandable. But this is not as significant as the information available with both of you, and it is this information, which is perhaps, of more interest to rest of the members.

Watcher, I tried to summarize your beliefs in a concise manner using plain english in my previous post. Was it correct? Is this what you are advocating?

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So after mentioning that, it becomes clear for those who did not comprehend the meaning of some verses, our belief is that Prophets do intercede and Muslims ask during Du^a’ so they can be granted Shafa^ah, so we ask Allah to grant us the intercession of the Prophet and Allah knows best. If any can belie these ahadiths, let him prove his subject. **
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Masha-Allah. Very true, brother Ahmed G. I am learning a whole lot more about Ismaic History and fiqah by your thought-provoking articles. Masha-Allah

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Originally posted by Ahmad G:
**Also to increase your faith, read in Sahih Muslim:
- Hammad b. Zaid, reported: I said to 'Amr b. Dinar: Did you hear Jabir b. 'Abdullah narrating from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) that Allah would bring out people from the Fire through intercession. He said: Yes.
@Book 1, Number 0370:

  • Also in Sahih Muslim Chapter 2/82 Title: AFFIRMATION OF INTERCESSION AND RESCUE FROM FIRE OF THE BELIEVERS IN ONENESS OF ALLAH
    @Book 1, Number 0355:

  • Abu Huraira reported: Verity the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: There is for every apostle a (special) prayer with which he would pray. I wish I could reserve, my prayer for intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection.
    @Book 1, Number 0386:

  • Amr b. Abu Sufyan reported: Abu Huraira said to Ka'b al-Ahbar that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) had said: For every apostle there Is a (special) prayer by which he would pray (to his Lord). I, however, intend (if Allah so willed) that I would reserve my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection. Ka'b said to Abu Huraira: Did you hear this from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)? Abu Huraira said: Yes.
    @Book 1, Number 0389:

  • Abu Huraira said: The Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: There is for every apostle a prayer which is granted, but every prophet showed haste in his prayer. I have, however, reserved my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection, and it would be granted, if Allah so willed, in case of everyone amongst my Ummah provided he dies without associating anything with Allah.
    @Book 1, Number 0390:

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SubhanAllah!

Interesting article indeed.

Azam.....no offense, but are you for real?

The same thing quoted over and over again. Might as well enter a salutation to "Brother Ahmed G" in your signature, and this way, you wont even have to type what little you type in.

Not exactly pristine, not exactly. I never talked about if prophet will intercede for us on the day of judgement, the problem is current. HE IS DEAD AND HE CANNOT HELP US.

If he could help us, there would be his saying his hadith stating that “hey after I die, you people can call on me and ask me to ask allah to give you some help in your problems” right?

If some religious practice is NOT in QURAN and SUNNAH that practice is NOT part of Islam.

If you are familiar with this hadith that we should send “darood” on Mohammad and his family by reading “darood-sharif” and reading it constantly. He never asked us to call UPON him to ask ALlah to give us help. He never said that we should call upon dead and say: “oh so and so please give us such and such thing” and statements of that nature utter pure non-sense and ignorences.

Anyway, all I am advocating is Quran and Sunnah and also there is NO need to creat new ways of worship in religion of Islam. It is, it should be, as it was revealed and that is only found in QURAN and Sunnah! We don’t need non-sense and rituals of non-muslims to be added in religion of Islam on the name of “naiki.”

Again you said: “Infact you believe that the Prophet (SAWW) will not be able to help…” How can you say “infact” when I never talked about prophet asking Allah for his permission to ask forgivness for us?

Asking the DEAD for help is KURF and weather that person remains Muslim or not is not the question, the question is weather it is allowed in QURAN and SUNNAH to ask the DEAD for help, and answer is NO IT IS NOT!

You take it easy.

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just a note.. when discussing the prophet (pbuh), plz show some respect. calling him DEAD doesn't sound good. Instead, you can say that he died, or he is no longer living.

calling the prophet(pbuh) DEAD, just sounds crude..

Noman, I apologize for hurting your feelings. I will make note of your request.

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thanks.. didn’t expect anything less from you /. later..

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[This message has been edited by nomaan (edited January 07, 2001).]

Nooman is totally right. Watcher, u hurt the feelings of all Muslims. Jis baat ka pata naheen, boley mati

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[This message has been edited by Azam (edited January 08, 2001).]