personally I don’t believe in something like race. Race another word for Caste. And such thing is forbidden according to the law of Qur’an. We are not animals. We become animals when we have to satisfy our needs. Then many people turn into animals. Darwin did a great job. Gave the scientist a reason to call the human species a race. Bullsh’t is that. Skin color is a god given thing as this entire world is. We play the God and decide about lives of innocent people. White, Black, Brown, Yellow. These are all the things God is testing us with. As we see, we failed.
Diwana, perhaps you are right. But I'd like to ask...So race is defined by characteristics that developed over millions of years in response to environment....skin changes, height/weight changes, eye color and shape, head shape etc. If evolution changes these things, then why is the brain excluded completely?
You made this statement "*Intelligence depends on many factors and for sure can be acquired (as opposed to innate) through proper training and knowledge." *
I completely agree with this but as you said, it can be acquired - you didnt say is acquired. Which is what I've been saying.
I disagree with you with every pore of my evolutionarily-substandard little brain. However, if in a parallel world you are correct, then I don't think your very own reasoning works in your favour.
Thats all I'm saying
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Hitchki, ok...no one including me has said you're wrong or right here...but I'd like to ask why? Why, if skin color can change due to environment, if height/weight can change due to environment, if eye shape and characteristics can change....well then why not brain too? Is the brain exempt from all outside and enviromental influence? In the sense of the past 15 million years I mean, not the past few generations.
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who live in south pole
Yara Dhol Baja ke
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the chinese/japanese are very much intelligient as heck. i think culture may have sumthing to do with that. these ppl want to get ahead, they make their kids work their butts off at school nd we get to have the cool technology they make.
They say you are what you eat:
Gorey eat pig that why they are pink and flithy charectered and clever like the pig
Pakis eat sheep thats why they are of medium temperament and inteligence like the sheep
black people eat monkey so they look and act like monkey
I hear they have started to label "Ass Meat" as "Mutton" these days in Pakistan.
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^^ kya ho gaya aap ko
bakra nayab hai ..300 ropai kilo mil raha hai 
the chinese/japanese are very much intelligient as heck. i think culture may have sumthing to do with that. these ppl want to get ahead, they make their kids work their butts off at school nd we get to have the cool technology they make.
Japan, Land of the Rising Sun. More than 50% Japanese children are so busy in working out the technology that they haven't seen the sun rising for once in their lives.
His take on all of this is so interesting …reminds me of the Book Freakanomics though.
Japan, Land of the Rising Sun. More than 50% Japanese children are so busy in working out the technology that they haven't seen the sun rising for once in their lives.
opinion not fact!
MAmaof3. Seriously. You are forcing me to go RedVelvet on you.
"Asians and whites lived in areas where they needed to think about cold weather, shelter, food...plan it out to survive. ...
**Hispanic **and blacks historically had no real worries about weather but needed great physical ability to catch their food. Great runners and hunters they are but no need to plan ..."
"Africans needed to be nomadic....., there really wasnt as much need to think, **plan and socially interact ....... Those societies needed larger groups, had to figure out how to farm, had to figure out how to preserve food for long winters, had to figure out how to stay warm, how to build proper shelters to keep out cold. ........
Not to undermine the difficulty of life in Africa but theres less planning and thinking** involved I think. So thru hundreds of generations, those who needed to rely more heavily on their brains to be able to meet their survival needs would be higher on the chart"
The whole premise of your argument is flawed. Let us run with the fact that the weather influences our minds. Keeping in consideration that humans as we know them haven't been around for that long.
1)Blacks are Stronger because they were grappling with Lions and not doing algebra. Blacks are physically stronger, hotter, more sexual and basically the sole reason that the united states wins anything in the Olympics due to the inhumane process of selective breeding that they were put through. Also. The white man did not invent algebra, he stole it. The numerical system (and most other ground breaking thought-discoveries) were conceived in the East/Africa.
2) White people needed to learn community cohesion therefore are smarter. Wrong. White people have no sense of community. They can't really interact with each other. Divorce rates are disgusting, there is no concept of family, let alone extended family. Selfishness is promoted over community well-being. Both of the world wars were started by the Whites and everyone else had to suffer. Not very smart.
3) Black people did not need to work together, the didn't plan anything. re: no thinking involved. Wrong. The pyramids were immaculated concieved. Egypt is in Africa. Greater Egypt included Ethiopia and the Ethiopians themselves had great empires. The East gave you drainage and irrigation. Google it. Furthermore.. Black people, Asians, etc have an excellent sense of community. I don't need to elaborate. But I understand that Nomadic people, tribes people have complicated ways of life that sometimes simple poeple fail to grasp. a life of 2.4 is hardly complicated.
3)White people faced extreme weather conditions so are smarter.
AFRICA IS HOT. I don't know if that escaped your attention, but to be able to survive that is quite a feat. England is not the Tundra. Nor is the stolen land of USA. Just because one stays in A.Cs when on Safari, doesn't mean that the air outside is also at a pleasent 22 degrees C
Also: The land you are living on is the ancestorial home-land of the hispanics. It is also across the lake to Africa. Unless you want to take this back to Pangea. Which I really think you ought not to do.
In conclusion, according to your argument. Whites should be lower in the ranking system.
I think you are wrong.
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Whoa.
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MO3, your "theories" of race were popular among white supremacists until half a century ago. today you'd be hard-pressed to find any physical anthropologist who'd endorse even your seemingly innocuous "humans are five races" orientalist BS.
as for timelines, 15 million years? Homo sapiens as a species have been around for less than 200,000 years. a blink of an eye compared to what you claim to be the available evolutionary window of time for divergence of IQs.
kinda hard to take seriously evolutionary eugenics theories from someone who doesnt even have the time scales right. you are clearly nowhere near grasping these concepts. if you would like to read a book, i recommend "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins.
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:( this is getting to be exhausing!!
Ok, so hitchki, your first point:
1)Blacks are Stronger because they were grappling with Lions and not doing algebra. Blacks are physically stronger, hotter, more sexual and basically the sole reason that the united states wins anything in the Olympics due to the inhumane process of selective breeding that they were put through. Also. The white man did not invent algebra, he stole it. The numerical system (and most other ground breaking thought-discoveries) were conceived in the East/Africa.
I think you're referring to slavery in USA which occured over the past say 4 or 5 generations. I'm referring to the past millenia where they developed darker skins and more agility in order to find food. And yes, whites "stole" the discovery of algebra from egyptians (who I think in the chart that started this whole discussion) are higher on the so-called intelligence curve. Back 10 or 50 thousand years ago (or more), there wasnt a concept of divorce!! But sticking together for survival was pretty important for those in hostile climates and where farming and food preservation was necessary for survival.
Your second point:
2) White people needed to learn community cohesion therefore are smarter. Wrong. White people have no sense of community. They can't really interact with each other. Divorce rates are disgusting, there is no concept of family, let alone extended family. Selfishness is promoted over community well-being. Both of the world wars were started by the Whites and everyone else had to suffer. Not very smart
Once again, you seem to be referring to the past handful of generations rather than looking back at the past 15 million years. Which is what I was talking about....before steel was in use, before medications were discovered, before architechture became an art/science. Sure its difficult in Africa where its so hot...but its not quite as critical as it would be in cold climates where death is the penalty for failure to build a shelter good enough to keep out the freeze.
I dont know...this discussion is exhausting lol! I just think that if certain bodily characteristics can change and develop in response to environment then the brain can do the same. Why not yeah?
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boy am i with hitchki all the way on this.
Diwana, perhaps you are right. But I'd like to ask...So race is defined by characteristics that developed over millions of years in response to environment....skin changes, height/weight changes, eye color and shape, head shape etc. If evolution changes these things, then why is the brain excluded completely?
You made this statement "*Intelligence depends on many factors and for sure can be acquired (as opposed to innate) through proper training and knowledge." *
I completely agree with this but as you said, it can be acquired - you didnt say is acquired. Which is what I've been saying.
1- I mentioned earlier that you put a lot of weight on skin color and body structure as evidence of brain evolution and intelligence. Now brain evolution and intelligence are two different things. Brain is physical and intelligence is not physical.
2- Even if we take skin color etc as evidence of evolution for brain then with same analology of yours, why do you discount black or darker races brain evolution going hand in hand with their physical changes?
3- You seem to have made white skin as the primary event. That is racism. Why not say that human was dark skinned as primary event and lost melanin cells over time when lived in less sunny areas over a long period??? Got it?
4- Like I said before intelligence can be acquired. I know what you said it IS acquired.
But why not say everyone has the ability to acquire intelligence given the evolution of brain EQUALLY spread among different people.
Its just that some developed their idea of intelligence as the standard and hence discount others as being less intelligent.
5- The definition of intelligence as it is specified in various dictionaries applies to all people. Its the use of knowledge which is the basis of intelligence and any human so called race can do that depending on the will and amount of knowledge available or acquired. Some have more 'knowledge' some do not.
But having 'knowledge' is not the same as having intelligence.
Even a cave man from Africa knew sharp object can kill animals and they used this knowledge to kill animals and fed their family. Peace.:-)
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I don't believe that skin colour and body structure have anything to do with the weather conditions.
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i'dgo with mm3!
she has a point that shes referiing from extremly back wrd dates1.
i think one has to give some somwhat consideration to who is brave enough to attempt a conjecture form all that way back.
even charles barwins thoery of pro-evolution which he dates back from 30 miilion bs is not flawless.
and hitchki gets your facts right.
MODERN ALGEBRA AND MATHS WAS invented by the ARAB MUSLIMS during the Promominent scientific and medical Islamic developments in the first half of this millenium.
and i really wouldlove it if someone solved the mystery why blakc are the way they are.
but i know of Christain people define them refering way back to h.adams son cain who killed his brother and took on curse from Allah that him black etc, and his progeny carried on from thier.
And to some people wake up. MM3 Is talking about Dinosaur periods, when there was no africa, no asia no america.
AVERYTHING WAS ONE.
ONLY ONE
so lets get together
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^but i do sister hareemo
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yes I kind of got it wrong by saying humans and millions of years because the species "homo sapien" is actually only 200,000 years old...but homo sapien evolved from older species yeah? thats what I meant there...if you go ALLLLLLLL the way back, heck we were all amoebas at one point....