are they co-related?
if they are, does it mean some races are less likely to succeed on social ladder?
how this phenomenon plays it’s role in different race interactions? 
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asians all the way baby! 
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what a loaded question, Xeno!! We have to be really careful of our answers here lol!
I think it comes down to the historic aspects of survival. Asians and whites lived in areas where they needed to think about cold weather, shelter, food...plan it out to survive. Earthquake areas, weather changes etc. all had impact on everything from what kind of food was available in what season to what would grow, what happens if theres a big freeze and the crop dies...
Hispanic and blacks historically had no real worries about weather but needed great physical ability to catch their food. Great runners and hunters they are but no need to plan for seasonal weather changes, no (huge) issue about shelter other than for protection from other people and animals...
I'm sorry if this sounds racist....maybe it is but its also history yeah? Anyway, the more time that passes, the less difference there is between races, thats for sure.
ok come on and beat me up now :(
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ooohhhh sukar Allah i am asian…
asian as in pakistani 
not chinese 
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what a loaded question, Xeno!! We have to be really careful of our answers here lol!
I think it comes down to the historic aspects of survival. Asians and whites lived in areas where they needed to think about cold weather, shelter, food...plan it out to survive. Earthquake areas, weather changes etc. all had impact on everything from what kind of food was available in what season to what would grow, what happens if theres a big freeze and the crop dies...
Hispanic and blacks historically had no real worries about weather but needed great physical ability to catch their food. Great runners and hunters they are but no need to plan for seasonal weather changes, no (huge) issue about shelter other than for protection from other people and animals...
I'm sorry if this sounds racist....maybe it is but its also history yeah? Anyway, the more time that passes, the less difference there is between races, thats for sure.
ok come on and beat me up now :(
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^ Nah, actually you sort of got it right..I soo need to look up my Sociology Coursework
Also, the pressure that most asians face by their parents. Sociologists think that due to the ethno-centric curriculum some black pupils become rebellious as well as more black pupils being excluded more often than other races which leads to like them missing out on a lot of education which can put people behind. naughty!
what a loaded question, Xeno!! We have to be really careful of our answers here lol!
I think it comes down to the historic aspects of survival.** Asians and whites lived in areas where they needed to think about cold weather, shelter, food...plan it out to survive. Earthquake areas, weather changes etc. all had impact on everything from what kind of food was available in what season to what would grow, what happens if theres a big freeze and the crop dies...**
Hispanic and blacks historically had no real worries about weather but needed great physical ability to catch their food. Great runners and hunters they are but no need to plan for seasonal weather changes, no (huge) issue about shelter other than for protection from other people and animals...
I'm sorry if this sounds racist....maybe it is but its also history yeah? Anyway, the more time that passes, the less difference there is between races, thats for sure.
ok come on and beat me up now :(
hmmm interesting point of view! IF this is correct that elements like climate and natural disasters play a role in natural evolution of "intelligence" then how you will explain the extreme weather conditions in Africa? Why extremely hot weather and natural disaters like drought didn't play it's role there?
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Sure it did. Africa surely has heat and drought which is why the population needs to be very physically fit, able to travel long distances to find food and water. Even their skin evolved to protect them from the sun - it darkened with melanin so they dont burn nearly as easily as whites and asians.
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^ yeah but the point is that if these climate conditions made them physically stronger then why they didn’t play any role in their mental “development”!
IMO these conditions MAY have some effect on intellectual development, but they can’t be the only factor. Genes and social interaction, on the other hand, have far more greater influence than demography and climate.
Xeno has a point ... if ppl living in extreme cold learned to survive so can ppl at the other end of the spectrum?
Though genetics play a role on how intelligent one is, your environment also plays just as an important role. I mean, you may have the genes but unless you have the education to help develop and further your intellect, your limited.
So what happens in the poverty stricken Countries / areas? Do the 'intelligent' genes get lost in the gene pool over time?
Then you have book smart vs street smart? Can one differentiate who is actually smarter?
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I think if you take a look at the really really early days, societies were structured for survival. Africans needed to be nomadic and lived in smaller groups due to their need to travel to find food and water. If their groups got too large, they could end up starving. Generally though, there really wasnt as much need to think, plan and socially interact as there was in areas where winters and seasonal weather had greater impact on survival. Those societies needed larger groups, had to figure out how to farm, had to figure out how to preserve food for long winters, had to figure out how to stay warm, how to build proper shelters to keep out cold. Maslow's heirarchy of needs is much more difficult to maintain in the areas where whites and asians lived. Not to undermine the difficulty of life in Africa but theres less planning and thinking involved I think. So thru hundreds of generations, those who needed to rely more heavily on their brains to be able to meet their survival needs would be higher on the chart. Kinda makes sense to me....
Yes it makes sense, but what about drought? How are you going to find food/water as easily when the country is in drought for years? It requires long term planning and strategizing.
I think the biggest factor ppl are overlooking here is malnutrition?
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very inconclusive to be more accurate a cross sectional rather than longitudinal which means we are looking at a snap shot of generation, who is to say that can be attributed to genes or environment. any number of reasons can attribute for the formation of this comparative study.
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what is the source, context and sample population used in the study.
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Intelligence is a God given thing.
what is race and intelligence? is there any context? Intelligence does not really mean success! Do we have success when we start senseless wars or when some people had the opinion to start them? Social ladder, where is the social ladder? What are these words "social" and "ladder"? When I think about it now, "social ladder" means nothing other than "caste" system. Here we go again.
"Speak in the name of they Lord who thought you thru his feather. Thought you what previous generations had not known."
why do people think that they are better than others or make no or less mistakes and this is why it makes them superior over other races or whatever f'ed up system that is. This is just a graphic. Do the people know the social circumstances? Do they know why African people or Asian have such a low intelliegence standard compared to the Westerners? Intelligence needs to develop. If you don't have the ability to go to school and look for wood, water, fire, meat in the desert as a child, where does your intelligence go? Then people come down here and speak about races as if they were some animals, not able to tell the white man what the f'in problem is!
Good luck
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did they use White population from Wales & Black from Ethiopia for this?
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You guys should read Malcolm Gladwell’s “Outliers”… it provides some good insights into how different races excel at different things… and he talks about why Asians are generally more successful at quantitative disciplines.
I had posted a thread on this earlier: http://www.paklinks.com/gs/all-views/305262-outliers-story-success.html
for those who’re interested in a short interview where he’s talking about these issues, here:
http://www.cbc.ca/mrl3/8752/sunday/121408_4.wmv
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errrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I thought Eugenics had died with Queen Victoria?
The only real reason for the divide is socio-economic and/or historical education-raping. And we all know who pillaged the peaceful sand-dwellers and who stole what from who.
Intelligence as defined by the west is also contentious. We don't all need to learn maths and physics so we can become inconsequential cogs in national plans of subjugation and subordination. That may be smart in the Pirates world but tribes-ppls have their priorities elsewhere.
SKINMEADEERWITHYOUTEETH itchniz
***Obviously this survey was taken before Obama became President…
Things are bound to change…
as they say …Those in Power…MAKE THE RULES!
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You know what, over time, there is less and less difference between the races. And surely, environment plays as big a part as heredity IMO although thats an age-old discussion. In the ages past, certain races developed certain characteristics over eons and in response to their environment - ie., light skin in colder climates, dark skin in hot climates, short and fatter stature in cold, taller and thinner in hot, eyelid folds in sandy and rainy climates. I think brains developed more quickly in climates and areas where critical thinking meant the difference between life and death - ie., to figure out how to farm and to stay warm as opposed to simply searching for food and water in hotter climates.
But for sure and esp in the more modern times, these things have taken a back seat. The planet is a small place these days and climate/environmental issues have less of an impact on survival than do things like college education and technology.
Just try to define "How to Meet each of the needs in Maslows Heirarchy" for the year 1200 AD and then compare that to the year 2009.