Insult of Islam is Muslims

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  1. Quran - Book for Practice - We are using it for DUA only

  2. Quran - Book for Life - We are using it for Dead Ones only

  3. Quran - Book for Understanding - We made it for Reading only

  4. Quran - Book for Revolution - We made it for SAWAB only

  5. Quran - Book for Constitutions of Living beings - We made associated it with Dead Ones Only

  6. Quran - Book for Knoweldge and Guidance - We gave it to Most Ignorants

  7. Quran - Book for Conqouring the Universe - We gave limited it to Madrassas

  8. Quran - Book for giving life to dead nations - we used it for washing sins of dead ones

  9. Quran - Book for Unity - we said Dis-Agreeement is blessing

  10. Quran - Book Says get power - Mulla says, we are going to die any way, why bother

and yet we wonder y west and nonmuslims are stronger and are getting stronger everyday and at same time insulting our figures.

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strong message

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hmmm nice.....didn't understand #10.

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I think what no. 10 is trying to say is possibly.... we easily give up when things get tough and take comfort in the fact that we wil be rewarded in the next life simply for bearing with patience. What in fact we should be doing is always to strive our hardest in this life that we already have.

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I think that is exactly what #10 is saying... Ironic: The Arabic word for "striving hard" is Tasbeeh, and it has been reduced to a mere utterance of a few words after prayer.

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I thought Arabic word for striving hard was "jihad" and "tasbeeh" was from "subhana" means to glorify and "tasbeeh" was glorification.

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nice…thnx for sharing:flower1:

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Salaam Sis Hareem,
Struggle is not the same as "Striving hard" ... Tasbeeh comes from Seen-Baa-Haa and has a specific purpose and that is to be best of something, or be THE PUREST; other meanings include to float up... creation in this case. Hence, it means to strive to PERFECTION/PURITY and that is how you glorify the name of the Lord. It is not limited to uttering words IMO. Please consult Taj il-Uroos or Lane's Lexicon for the meaning if you will.

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Amazing post!

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Nice post ... we should take heed

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Some key ones are missing:

Quron says think - to many believe mullas saying otherwuise

Quron says believe and be faithful - mulla interprets it as stop thinking and blindly follow

Quron says Respect..many interpret it as command others

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In Quran it is said that, whenever the time comes, u nede to do neccessary preparation and/or be always prepared for ur enemies.
our mulla thinks contrary, they think if they get into battle fielf Allah will send angels and they can win or they will die as martyrs. which is obviously not the case. Angels only come when u are prepared to receive them. Our Prophet ( PBUH) never went to a battle ground without neccessary preparation and war-plan.

Muslims should learn to grow economically and militarily, but our Mullas opinion is that this life is temporary, the real life will start after the end of this life... ( which to me is the contradiction to quran as well)

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If you dont follow blindly you can be declared as kafir. ( happend to me few times)

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Peace hanibal

I think I will agree with your sister Hareem01 on this point #10. I don't think Allah (SWT) tells us anywhere to seek power for ourselves. We are told many times that Allah (SWT) is the All-Mighty. Being killed is better than being persecuted and oppressed, but we are never encouraged to gain power. To have the upper hand on the wordly front is an endowment of honour by our Lord.

There is too much evidence to suggest that in war situations many people were turned away due to the lack of their taqwah, despite the idea that the larger number would logically give them superiority. There have been cases when a few Muslims with lesser technologies have overwhelmed the more numerous and more advanced enemies.

You must also understand that there is a Qadr aspect of the times we live in. That these times of strife are going to occur and that it will be better in those times for us not to fight, in fact to go without a fight. If you read the story of the People of the Ditch in the Qur'an this is exactly what they do.

It seems I am officially a Mulla now then! Oh dear.

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Peace hypnotix-2000

Above you have essentially written this:

Struggle Striving hard

Tasbeeh = Purest = Strive to Perfection = Glorify Name of the Lord

If you can build the conceptual bridge from the definition of Purest to mean strive to perfection then why is it hard for you to see that struggle and striving hard is actually a lot more closer in meaning?

Now linguistically SBH is indeed the root for tasbeeh, and I can agree with you that SBH is the root for PURE, I would have said GLORY. But I will agree with you. When you put a 'T' before the root it becomes a verb something that is done. Therefore the term tasbeeh should be either To Purify or To Glorify. It something that is being cast on to God.

However, your definition assumes that is what we cast upon ourselves, to "strive to perfection" I think you have drawn a flawed conclusion. Can you see? You have left the noun as a noun with the word pure replaced with the word perfection and your verb 'strive' you have introduced from yourself.

I have studied from Lane's lexicon (local mosque library) before and I'm in the mind of getting a lexicon for myself soon inshaAllah. Then we will be equally equipped.

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^JazakAllah for the replies....

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SAlamvalekum brother,

I have a complete soft copy of Lane Lexicons dictionary got it in a dvd. If you want it i can with the available resources will try to attach it and provide a link to you as well as other guppies. FYI its in 8 volumes and each file is about 400 mb, if anyone around here has better ideas please do let me know.

I wont promise but will try my best.

Regards,

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Salam,

Not a problem Brother. You are correct in that one of the definitions of TASBEEH is to glorify, however I do not agree with your conclusion that my argument is flawed since I am essentially saying the same thing. One of the meanings of TASBEEH is to Swim on the Surface or to Float up on Top... this in itself describes a tendency.

Hence TASBEEH describes the tendency towards Purification/Glory which can be natural or induced. The question (and what we probably differ on) is how to TASBEEH...

My understanding is that you cannot perform TASBEEH with utterance alone. The whole universe USABBIHULAHU, and it does so by following His command to the fullest by doing what it is designed to do... I think it means that for us, the best TASBEEH is to be best among creation by living up to par with being a living example of "Ahsani Taqweem", and the only way to do that in my opinion is to be the best among humanity. That is how you Glorify the Name of the Lord, day and night.

How many of us strive for this?

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Its common knowledge that in Islamic theory, a true muslim should be trying to do the best in whatever he/she does. Half-arsing things is not something that Allah would be proud of.

You guys are arguing about "power" - everyone knows there are multiple meanings of Power. Power like Allah has? Or Power like a sense of authority that any leader would have? Or Power as in the power you get from knowledge? Or Power from courage through belief? I can go on and on.

I'm sure only one of the above would be haraam for a person to persue and that's Godly Power. You can't pursue it anyway, so it doesn't matter arguing about it.

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Well that is great that you consider this as common knowledge. I was saying that this has a specific word for it in Arabic and that is the intended meaning from a Quranic perspective.


Did not understand you here... I was not talking about power. I was saying that you rise above all creation by doing best what you are designed to do (TASBEEH) and that is how Glorify the Name of your Lord (SABBIH ISMA RABBIK)